Bazemore, Hezonja, Little vs. Curry, Harkless, Aminu

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Did We Improve or Get Worse?

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    Votes: 21 44.7%

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    Votes: 14 29.8%

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OK, so I suppose if we had a low-post scoring 4 that could pass out well, that might be the great equalizer here?
 
My hope is that consistent minutes and acclimating to his role will allow Hood to become the guy he was in Utah.

I'm expecting about 13-15 ppg from him and decent efficiency from 3. Hopefully, Baze also regains his form in his contract year and gets his 3pt% back closer to the high 30s.

Think the more apt comparisons are:

Curry vs Simons
Turner vs Hood
Harkless vs Baze
Layman vs Tolliver
Aminu vs Zach
Kanter vs Whiteside

In aggregate, we are prolly better now, but losing some really specialized skills. The Layman vs Tolliver thing is eating at me more than anything.
 
I kind of think were doing this wrong. Baze / Hood will be better offensively than ET / Harkless. Zach will be better offensively than Aminu was. Tolliver will be better as a back up 4 offensively than Zach was last year. Offensively I think they got better in terms of guys who got the minutes last year vs guys who will get those minutes this year. Defensively I think they get worse, BUT whiteside / Zach and Nurkic / Zach should be a good defensive pairing.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I kind of think were doing this wrong. Baze / Hood will be better offensively than ET / Harkless. Zach will be better offensively than Aminu was. Tolliver will be better as a back up 4 offensively than Zach was last year. Offensively I think they got better in terms of guys who got the minutes last year vs guys who will get those minutes this year. Defensively I think they get worse, BUT whiteside / Zach and Nurkic / Zach should be a good defensive pairing.
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I think we got a little better offensively and defensively, considering the different roles players like Zach and others will get
 
The roster will look different after the Deadline, Neil will be aggressive like never before
 
illmatic99 said:
Think the more apt comparisons are:

Curry vs Simons
Turner vs Hood
Harkless vs Baze
Layman vs Tolliver
Aminu vs Zach
Kanter vs Whiteside
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Shit, I forgot Meyers. Make that:

Layman vs Little/Mario
Leonard vs Tolliver
 
THE HCP said:
You guys really think Simons is going to bring it this season? Man he is still so young and raw. I love what saw in game 82 and summer league, but that was not against the best comp. I think him trying to run our offense against quality NBA players is going to be tough.
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I think he has the potential to do more than Curry did last year. Time will tell if that is realistic. I'm less concerned about his shooting than I am about his defense--to which I have a great concern.
 
For those who think it's an Downgrade: maybe it's an downgrade from a talent stand point, who knows, maybe you right, but let's face reality: whats going to happen in the Playoffs with Aminu, Harkless, Turner etc?? We all know the movie, Teams give a shit about these players and double team Lillard to death, while Aminu, Harkless and Turner stay in the corner watching, i wont miss any of them, they're unplayable in the Playoffs, they have one good game out of 5, i'm not going to miss Evan Turner's 10 total points in the first 7 Playoff games or Aminus and Harkless' bricks when they shot wide open 3s
 
e_blazer said:
Did you type that with a straight face?
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Why?

Layman especially was a huge contributor last year for 71 games. Just baffling why we let him walk for an inferior replacement who is 10 yrs older.

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illmatic99 said:
Why?

Layman especially was a huge contributor last year for 71 games. Just baffling why we let him walk for an inferior replacement who is 10 yrs older.

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It was more the Leonard and Turner end of the quote I was ribbing him about, and I'll admit that both of those guys had value to what the Blazers achieved last year. I just couldn't resist the opportunity for the dig.

I think re-signing Layman was strictly a contract issue. I think NO values Bazemore's ending contract and the flexibility it provides as much as he does his playing contributions. (I do have to point out that he was injured last year, so that 11.9 PER is skimpy compared to the 14.5 he had the season before, but he's been up and down as a player throughout his career.) NO did the trade, I suspect, thinking that the TPMLE was going to be used on Kanter and that he'd lose Hood. Once the trade was done and the re-signing of Hood occurred, the number of wing players was pretty stocked. Adding Jake's contract, plus the additional luxury tax that would have come with it, simply wasn't in the cards for a GM that wants the flexibility to have cap space next summer if he wants.
 
andalusian said:
I look at Mario as Turner's replacement. Compared to Turner, he can shoot, but it is fair to say that he is far from a good shooter.
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I think inconsistent is a more appropriate way to define Hezonja’s shooting than “can’t shoot.” Hes had two years with a TS% above 54% and two below 50%. The two above would be considered above league average, while the other two are well below. That’s quite a contrast. By comparison, since I see Mario as his direct replacement, Turner has never had a season above 52%(league average.) Mario has also been a good free throw shooter and came into the league with a positive reputation as a shooter, so there are reasons to be optimistic. So, I wouldn’t dismiss him as a shooter, but then again, I wouldn’t put money on it either. We will see.
 
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Scalma said:
I think inconsistent is a more appropriate way to define Hezonja’s shooting than “can’t shoot.” Hes had two years with a TS% above 54% and two below 50%. The two above would be considered above league average, while the other two are well below. That’s quite a contrast. By comparison, since I see Mario as his direct replacement, Turner has never had a season above 52%. Mario has also been a good free throw shooter and came into the league with a positive reputation as a shooter, so there are reasons to be optimistic. So, I wouldn’t dismiss him as a shooter, but then again, I wouldn’t put money on it either. We will see.
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Mario passes the eyeball as a shooter. Stats for young players can be deceiving. For example how many shots were contested? Aminu and Harkless were decent set shot shooters.......... when wide open. ET was pretty good off the dribble in the lane, but a horrible set shot shooter even when all alone.

Granted the number of games I have seen Mario play are drastically smaller than the other three, but I refuse to believe he can't shoot better than them until I see it with my own eyes next season. I am ok with this thread being bumped next spring.
 
Just looked it up cuz I was curious. Stats from last year.

3pt Shots classified as WIDE OPEN (no defender within 6'):

Hezonja: 26% on 1.4 attempts per game
Bazemore: 36% on 2.6 attempts
Hood: 44% on 1.5 attempts w/CLE, 36% on 1.7 attempts w/ POR
Tolliver: 45% on 1.1 attempts

Curry: 51% on 1.5 attempts
Meyers: 47% on 1.4 attempts
Aminu: 37% on 2.2 attempts
Harkless: 32% on 1.2 attempts
Turner: 25% on 0.6 attempts

Sorry, but Mario cannot (and should not) shoot.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Mario passes the eyeball as a shooter. Stats for young players can be deceiving. For example how many shots were contested? Aminu and Harkless were decent set shot shooters.......... when wide open. ET was pretty good off the dribble in the lane, but a horrible set shot shooter even when all alone.

Granted the number of games I have seen Mario play are drastically smaller than the other three, but I refuse to believe he can't shoot better than them until I see it with my own eyes next season. I am ok with this thread being bumped next spring.
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Yeah to put it another way, if you didn't know their stats and the ball got kicked out to Hezonja for a 3 you wouldn't cringe.
 
hoopsjock said:
Yeah to put it another way, if you didn't know their stats and the ball got kicked out to Hezonja for a 3 you wouldn't cringe.
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Think that'll change after he starts bricking in preseason.
 
illmatic99 said:
Sorry, but Mario cannot (and should not) shoot.
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Yeah, I'm sure that Olshey just overlooked that. Bummer. They probably did something really stupid like examined his shooting form, historic shooting %, considered his age and the crappy team he was on last year and then totally overlooked the obvious conclusion that he just can't shoot.
 
Reep said:
Yeah, I'm sure that Olshey just overlooked that. Bummer. They probably did something really stupid like examined his shooting form, historic shooting %, considered his age and the crappy team he was on last year and then totally overlooked the obvious conclusion that he just can't shoot.
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I think his slashing and playmaking will be more impactful than his (non)-shooting. My %s were addressing @Pinwheel1 's eye test. Not sure what he's seeing.
 
Reep said:
Yeah, I'm sure that Olshey just overlooked that. Bummer. They probably did something really stupid like examined his shooting form, historic shooting %, considered his age and the crappy team he was on last year and then totally overlooked the obvious conclusion that he just can't shoot.
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Olshey probably didn’t have access to basketball reference that day tbqh.
 
Scalma said:
Olshey probably didn’t have access to basketball reference that day tbqh.
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Sheesh, yall are quick to defend Mario (and Neil) these days. lol what did I say that was so egregious? A lil salty for the dog days of summer.

That said, our basketball operations team is the same one that thought Evan Turner could suddenly turn into a shooter in our system just three years ago.
 
illmatic99 said:
Sheesh, yall are quick to defend Mario (and Neil) these days. lol what did I say that was so egregious? A lil salty for the dog days of summer.

That said, our basketball operations team is the same one that thought Evan Turner could suddenly turn into a shooter in our system just three years ago.
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I’m just busting balls no biggie.

But when did they say Turner would turn into a shooter, because his attempts certainly didn’t reflect the idea?
 
illmatic99 said:
I think his slashing and playmaking will be more impactful than his (non)-shooting. My %s were addressing @Pinwheel1 's eye test. Not sure what he's seeing.
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I would agree that I don't see Mario as a guy who plays the Curry role by spotting up for threes only (good thing). But, I think he will shoot a respectable % from out there, while being a much greater threat to score in some way--I hope. It was painful to watch teams leave Harkless and Aminu open because they knew neither would beat them. Mario seems to have a bit more of a mean streak and I hope he will cause some chaos when teams double Dame.
 
illmatic99 said:
Sheesh, yall are quick to defend Mario (and Neil) these days. lol what did I say that was so egregious? A lil salty for the dog days of summer.

That said, our basketball operations team is the same one that thought Evan Turner could suddenly turn into a shooter in our system just three years ago.
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No doubt they got a big F on that one, but I think that was more about saving face by signing someone "valuable" than thinking ET was going to be a shooter.
 
illmatic99 said:
I think his slashing and playmaking will be more impactful than his (non)-shooting. My %s were addressing @Pinwheel1 's eye test. Not sure what he's seeing.
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What I saw from him was a guy who can hit a pull up mid range jumper off the dribble. (52% from 10-16 feet last year) and a 80% career FT shooter. I admit his 3pt percentage is worse than I thought because in the games I have seen him play he has looked pretty good, so I have hopes that this 24 year old will improve his percentage in that area. He has decent form from deep.

He was jerked around last year playing 4 different positions, while playing in his fewest number of games. Not the best recipe for a young player. Hopefully Terry does not do what he did to Jake last year and just lets him settle in at SF. I still like Simons, Hood and Mario playing together off the bench.
 
illmatic99 said:
Just looked it up cuz I was curious. Stats from last year.

3pt Shots classified as WIDE OPEN (no defender within 6'):

Hezonja: 26% on 1.4 attempts per game
Bazemore: 36% on 2.6 attempts
Hood: 44% on 1.5 attempts w/CLE, 36% on 1.7 attempts w/ POR
Tolliver: 45% on 1.1 attempts

Curry: 51% on 1.5 attempts
Meyers: 47% on 1.4 attempts
Aminu: 37% on 2.2 attempts
Harkless: 32% on 1.2 attempts
Turner: 25% on 0.6 attempts

Sorry, but Mario cannot (and should not) shoot.
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Dammit! I told you to stop it! This is really hurtful.
 
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