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TorturedBlazerFan said:
The problem is we really don't know, if someone else would do a better job or not. We know that all GM’s make some bad moves and some good ones.
Neil has done some really bad stuff, but at the same time has done some really good things and as of now has mostly worked his way out of the really bad moves he’s made.

Right now running him out of town wouldn't make much sense, but either of the past two summers, I think a good argument could be made to move on.

The thing about hiring a GM would be you don't know if they would be better or worse, say they fired neil and went out and found a guy who hadn't GM’d ever before, theres a chance that guy could someday be their best GM ever. They could go out and pay Ujiri or Buford 30M a year to bring them in, and they could turn out to be disasters. My point is that while we have history to say well this guy is good, its their future moves we cant know.

The problem I see with the argument that well if you want to win, you have to keep Neil, Neil’s next 10 moves could all end up being awful, we don't know that yet.

Who knows maybe another GM could have come in and had more success than Neil has.
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Well we can look at history... Typically Neil Olshey makes moves that tend to increase the win total. We know that because we are arguably a better team every season under him. As were the Clippers when he was there.

That's not coincidence. It's not luck. The guy is good.

We know what happens when you hire people with no prior GM experience... We've been down that road. Usually it ends badly. Nearly always.

But yes. You can play the lottery. You can gamble. But that hasn't historically worked out well for us.
 
Reep said:
Has she thought yet about if/where she wants to play in college? One of my daughter's friends who just graduated is playing for Pepperdine next year.
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Still too soon. She has been getting these invitations to what they call College ID camps around the country. This club she is with now have created these laminated bios of the girls that they had out to scouts at these tournaments. Taking it slow and want to make sure she is going to land in the best situation for her. She just turned 14 and starts HS this fall.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well we can look at history... Typically Neil Olshey makes moves that tend to increase the win total. We know that because we are arguably a better team every season under him. As were the Clippers when he was there.

That's not coincidence. It's not luck. The guy is good.

We know what happens when you hire people with no prior GM experience... We've been down that road. Usually it ends badly. Nearly always.

But yes. You can play the lottery. You can gamble. But that hasn't historically worked out well for us.
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Yeah but can he build a championship team? I have my doubts
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah but can he build a championship team? I have my doubts
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This.

NO has done a good job of making incremental and marginal improvements. Very shrewd moves to keep us in the playoff hunt and relevant. But we’ve yet to really take that next step. Yes, I know we made the WCF this year, but nobody took us all that seriously along the way.

His FA moves have been questionable. We’ve dodged the bullet on several moves by luck (even signing ET because Chandler Parsons passed on us was semi-lucky). Can NO do something now to help us take that next level where folks see us as a legitimate contender?
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
This.

NO has done a good job of making incremental and marginal improvements. Very shrewd moves to keep us in the playoff hunt and relevant. But we’ve yet to really take that next step. Yes, I know we made the WCF this year, but nobody took us all that seriously along the way.

His FA moves have been questionable. We’ve dodged the bullet on several moves by luck (even signing ET because Chandler Parsons passed on us was semi-lucky). Can NO do something now to help us take that next level where folks see us as a legitimate contender?
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BonesJones said:
Yeah but can he build a championship team? I have my doubts
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If NO can't bring us a title, he sucks.

Just because no small market team without LBJ or Duncan has won one in the last 40 years, it doesn't matter.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
If NO can't bring us a title, he sucks.

Just because no small market team without LBJ or Duncan has won one in the last 40 years, it doesn't matter.
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Who's saying that? This is the type of comment ...

Sigh.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well we can look at history... Typically Neil Olshey makes moves that tend to increase the win total. We know that because we are arguably a better team every season under him. As were the Clippers when he was there.

That's not coincidence. It's not luck. The guy is good.

We know what happens when you hire people with no prior GM experience... We've been down that road. Usually it ends badly. Nearly always.

But yes. You can play the lottery. You can gamble. But that hasn't historically worked out well for us.
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Was getting NO not a gamble to begin with? He hadnt been the GM in LAC very long, I mean it is always a gamble when you make moves, new GM, coach, players, yeah never know. Which is basically my point, I don't think the argument that NO is as good as Portland can do really holds up, you may think he’s as good as they can do, and you “might” be right, but we don't know that.
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah but can he build a championship team? I have my doubts
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I know I've said it before, but we have a championship quality team RIGHT NOW! We just need Nurk to be healthy going into the playoffs. I truly believe he's a better defensive center than Gobert now, or at least he was playing like it before he broke his leg.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well we can look at history... Typically Neil Olshey makes moves that tend to increase the win total. We know that because we are arguably a better team every season under him. As were the Clippers when he was there.
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Portland won 54 games in 2014. 5 years later they won 53

math
 
tlongII said:
I know I've said it before, but we have a championship quality team RIGHT NOW! We just need Nurk to be healthy going into the playoffs. I truly believe he's a better defensive center than Gobert now, or at least he was playing like it before he broke his leg.
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I really want the Blazers to bring Nurk along slowly next season. What matters is to have him at his post injury peak for the playoffs.

Also there is the added benefit of seasoning Zach and Skal
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You're fine.
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BBert said:
I really want the Blazers to bring Nurk along slowly next season. What matters is to have him at his post injury peak for the playoffs.

Also there is the added benefit of seasoning Zach and Skal
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I have a feeling Nurk is going to be ready sooner rather than later. That is not a difficult injury to recover from.
 
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsTheHCP said:
I think he will be ready later rather than sooner. I'm thinking Christmas. Just my guess.
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That's sooner than I was thinking.

Based on my ABSOLUTELY ZERO KNOWLEDGE OF HIS CONDITION.

I just want them to proceed cautiously.

When I think of the luck this franchise has had with big man injuries...I can't even.

:cheers:
 
wizenheimer said:
Portland won 54 games in 2014. 5 years later they won 53

math
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Looks like they have been consistently good. Remember the doom and gloom from some of you guys after last years playoffs? You guys had the team failing this year because of it and it was the Pels that failed.
 
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wizenheimer said:
Portland won 54 games in 2014. 5 years later they won 53

math
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Read?
I just said above that Olshey's biggest mistake was not trading Aldridge during 2014.

Now. Who was the architect that got the Blazers a higher seed in 2015 without Aldridge than they got with Aldridge in 2014?

Oh right...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Was getting NO not a gamble to begin with? He hadnt been the GM in LAC very long, I mean it is always a gamble when you make moves, new GM, coach, players, yeah never know. Which is basically my point, I don't think the argument that NO is as good as Portland can do really holds up, you may think he’s as good as they can do, and you “might” be right, but we don't know that.
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I know that recent history shows he is the best we could get in multiple attempts.

No, getting Olshey was not nearly as much of a gamble as firing him last season would have been.

If we could get a guy who has as much better of a record over Olshey as Olshey had vs our prior few GMs you'd have a far stronger point.

But there is no evidence to suggest we can.

That's why it's not smart.
 
BonesJones said:
Guess we should give up hope for ever winning another championship.
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Yes, you absolutely should.
It IS possible.
Lillard (or one of the youngins) would have to become an all-time great.

However, it's very, very, very, very, very unlikely.

Getting to the conference championship is like winning the finals for a small market team.
 
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