Trade Bazemore?

[TorturedBlazerFan]

There is a difference between giving people credit for doing their job and being a good employee, and acting like any non-failure proves they are a genius.

Well I did not declare NO a genius, just stated that I give him credit for his draft choices because to me ultimately making those choices is his job. Credit isn't ALWAYS good, there is negative credit, positive credit, sometimes credit it just eh you did your job and that's something but not really anything special. By saying I'd give NO credit for drafting Little, that's not saying I think he went far and beyond and deserves another raise and contract extension because of it. I'm just saying it was his call to make, and HE did it.

 

[BonesJones]

Bol Bol might be considered a generational talent here in a couple years. There is no question if he stayed in college and stayed healthy for the next year he would be a top 5 pick. So i guess we will see right?

Yes but given his question marks and Portland's needs, it was obvious for 90%+ of the fanbase. If Little bombs out of the league in 2 years, I won't criticize it either.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I think there’s space in between genius and lucky, no?

I absolutely agree.

 

[BonesJones]

That's just, all this arguing and far reaching of these players being all stars and or superstars without stepping on an NBA court or very limited time and drafted late 1st round. I have seen Simons, Bazely and Little described as all stars or better in this forum. I suggest a more cautious approach and let's see how these players develop. I should tell the Walter Berry draft disaster but at least in the end it worked out.

Look up the definition of "potential" or "best-case scenario".

 

[BonesJones]

The way the CBA works, there’s a negative to every positive. I absolutely believe that the Blazers went into cap hell with eyes wide open. The thought was that as a small market team with a tough time attracting free agents, it was better to have contracts for trades. It would have worked in theory if Leonard, ET and Harkless performed better. Once the decision to max salary was made in 2016, the course was set. Getting a useful player in Bazemore is at least a return on the investment b

Yes, the only positive of it was we turned it into a better player with a poor contract.

It was still a bad move in the first place.

No team wanted those contracts though, and ET was never going to live up to it. So Neil would've been incredibly dumb to sign a guy like Turner to a 4 year, $70M deal with the thought that it would help him make trades.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Oh man.... Now choosing to draft a player that every other GM in front of him passed on was a gift? Wow!

I wouldn't call it a "gift." Kanter was a gift from a poorly run franchise. If nothing else, Olshey gets credit for hiring competent scouts and listening to them on draft night.

 

[Scalma]

I wouldn't call it a "gift." Kanter was a gift from a poorly run franchise. If nothing else, Olshey gets credit for hiring competent scouts and listening to them on draft night.

Was kanter a gift? Any team with an open roster spot could have theoretically signed him. Neil‘s relationship with Bartlestein was a factor. Kanter said as much.

 

[CupWizier]

Look up the definition of "potential" or "best-case scenario".

Don't need to as it wasn't stated in those term. In that regards probably about 20-30 players have similar "potential" or " best case". Those are merely words that doesn't mean much in reality.

 

[hoopsjock]

It was obvious in part to team needs.

Other teams overvalued players (ORL - Chuma Okeke, PHX - Cam Johnson, BOS - Grant Williams), drafted their specific niche (SAS -Luka Samanic), Drafted for an elite skill (PHI for defense - Thybulle, PHX for shooting - Johnson and Jerome), or bought into a lottery ticket (OKC - Bazely).

I'm not going to give Olshey credit for something 95% of the board would've done.

At the same time though, you'd still be pissed if Olshey drafted someone other than Little though.

It's a bit disingenuous to say he doesn't deserve credit for Little but would be getting obliterated on this board if he took say Windler in that spot.

At the same time we're not going to give him a pass if Little flames out of the league just because 95% of us would've taken him.

Olshey has acquired every player on this roster. He deserves credit or blame for all of it in my opinion not just selective ones.

 

[Reep]

Oh man.... Now choosing to draft a player that every other GM in front of him passed on was a gift? Wow!

Of course not, Olshey manipulated all those other teams intentionally to make sure that Little slipped to the Blazers. It was all part of his master plan.

If you were walking down the street and saw a $20 bill on the ground, and you picked it up, would you consider yourself a rainmaker?

Little was appropriately ranked about 12-14. He slipped about 10 slots. He was the obvious choice at their pick. I give credit to Olshey for Ant--if he indeed does impact the team, but sorry, that would be like giving the Pels credit for drafting Zion. It wasn't skill, it was luck.

I don't expect you to agree with me, as I rarely have much in common with triathletes, but I think we need more time to truly see if Olshey is the greatest manager of all time.

 

[Dougnsalem]

Come on, you guys have had better arguements than this...


Lol

 

[Hobbesarable]

At the same time though, you'd still be pissed if Olshey drafted someone other than Little though.

It's a bit disingenuous to say he doesn't deserve credit for Little but would be getting obliterated on this board if he took say Windler in that spot.

At the same time we're not going to give him a pass if Little flames out of the league just because 95% of us would've taken him.

Olshey has acquired every player on this roster. He deserves credit or blame for all of it in my opinion not just selective ones.

Agree. I would actually expand the credit and blame towards the group: Paul Allen (and now Jody Allen), Neil Olshey, Terry Stotts, scouting team, and everyone else involved with player personnel. It's a team effort.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Come on, you guys have had better arguements than this...


Lol

Yeah, I should be eating popcorn and laughing my ass off!

 

[Labinot41]

I would like to believe this, but Harkless has not been good off the bench historically. He has faired much better starting.

I hope he is not on the roster on opening night

 

[BBert]

Not sure they both would be happy, unless you offloaded Harkless and made one of them a starter and the other backup.

Exactly

They are each versatile enough that they could start, backup, or share the court.

 

[TBpup]

Neil makes a point about not having any cap room come July 1....of course without any mention of 'why' and sign all those players to that amount of money.

 

[BBert]

What Banner...? They didn't win the division, all they did was get to the WCF's. Don't take this the wrong way I enjoyed the year and the post-season and even believe NO deserves a lot of credit for his moves and the roster he put together this year, but at the same time, they didn't win a ring or get to the finals. Being 4th best doesn't really do it, the goal is to be the best. Next year let's get a healthy nurk and make another run.

No banner?

Shows you how long it's been, LOL

 

[riverman]

And I'm in my 50s

kid!

 

[riverman]

What does any commentary by any fan on any forum about any team ever accomplish?

it can get you banned I hear

 

[BonesJones]

Neither does the excess whining and crying about him. This forum xan be ridiculousy over critical as well and the daily bashing on certain players, coaches and managent has become very tiresome. I have yet to see it ever accomplish anything other than the weak ass "venting" excuse by some.

Who? Gronk got banned a while ago.

 

[riverman]

I like Olshey! No interest in Blazer bashing on any level about now....things are frickin' awesome! You're all welcome to join me in maybe the most optimistic offseason as a Blazer fan I've had in a long time! I'm stoked....really stoked.....you want to see a trader Bob who constantly goes for the superstars and changes coaches like socks? You are a Houston Rockets, New York Knicks, Laker fan...hasn't really worked out any better than Portland staying the course eh?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Neil makes a point about not having any cap room come July 1....of course without any mention of 'why' and sign all those players to that amount of money.

The thing that always puzzled me so much about 2016 League wide (not just Neil to be fair), was why was everyone getting 4 year deals. So many guys got not only more per year than what seemed logical they also got, 2 years more... A whole bunch of teams decided lets lock ourselves in on average talent NBA players and it made little sense to me at the time, and still doesnt.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

No banner?

Shows you how long it's been, LOL

I really dont want my comments to come off like Im overly negative about the season, I loved watching them battle their way to the WCF’s, one of the best years I remember if not the best year (in terms of how much fun it was), just also saying there was more there to be had.

 

[Strenuus]

Oh, I think they do. Those moves got us further than we've been in a long freaking time. Anybody who said he deserves to be fired owes it. They know who they are. They were begging to eat crow when they said it. It was a joke then, and it's even more of a joke now that we've made WCF, and look to be moving into contention... You all know who you are. It's only a big deal if you're too little to man up.

Here maybe this will end the discussion:

I will never ever apologize for the shit show of 2016.

And im one of them. So put it to rest.

 

[ABM]

Nyce....

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...d-fit-what-kent-bazemore-brings-trail-blazers

 

[BonesJones]

Little side-track. Normally I'd hold this type of post back, but it's getting silly...

What's with the die-hard Olshey and Stotts supporters (not all of you) being more volatile then the people who they claim "can't accept others opinions"? It's mostly one guy in here but it's not just him in general.

"Eat crow"
"Apologize to Neil"
"You need to give props to Neil/Stotts"
"Grow up"
"Man up"

And then those that use these phrases complain about that type of posting from others the minute they get the chance to... Nobody has a problem with people being supportive of Neil, even if they disagree. I'll probably tell you I disagree, possibly question your objectivity in regard to the topic, but it's all in the framework of discussion and debate. It's about the topic at hand, not what you need to do, say, or any sort of personal attack. If I said things along these lines, y'all would definitely call me out on it.

I see these phrases used by the same people who self-righteously reprimand others for less, complaining about the constant "battles" that take place on this forum. If you don't want people saying things along the lines of "Grow up, apologize to me because you need to eat crow because Stotts sucks", then don't say these things!

Thing is, I don't care if you say these things. I'll respond in kind, and won't hold a grudge, or take is seriously or personally. What I really don't understand is how the same people that say these types of things will complain about others who use the same phrases back to them. They immediately go into defensive mode and somehow others "can't accept other opinions" even though they're saying these things to those who have different opinions.

It's so unnecessary. Either don't use these phrases and complain when anyone and everyone uses them, or don't complain when others use them back.

 

[riverman]

Little side-track. Normally I'd hold this type of post back, but it's getting silly...

What's with the die-hard Olshey and Stotts supporters (not all of you) being more volatile then the people who they claim "can't accept others opinions"? It's mostly one guy in here but it's not just him in general.

"Eat crow"
"Apologize to Neil"
"You need to give props to Neil/Stotts"
"Grow up"
"Man up"

And then those that use these phrases complain about that type of posting from others the minute they get the chance to... Nobody has a problem with people being supportive of Neil, even if they disagree. I'll probably tell you I disagree, possibly question your objectivity in regard to the topic, but it's all in the framework of discussion and debate. It's about the topic at hand, not what you need to do, say, or any sort of personal attack. If I said things along these lines, y'all would definitely call me out on it.

I see these phrases used by the same people who self-righteously reprimand others for less, complaining about the constant "battles" that take place on this forum. If you don't want people saying things along the lines of "Grow up, apologize to me because you need to eat crow because Stotts sucks", then don't say these things!

Thing is, I don't care if you say these things. I'll respond in kind, and won't hold a grudge, or take is seriously or personally. What I really don't understand is how the same people that say these types of things will complain about others who use the same phrases back to them. They immediately go into defensive mode and somehow others "can't accept other opinions" even though they're saying these things to those who have different opinions.

It's so unnecessary. Either don't use these phrases and complain when anyone and everyone uses them, or don't complain when others use them back.

eat crow! enjoy the ride! I'm celebrating! the thing about battles bones...which I also have no interest in is that first you have to engage an enemy to have a battle....or just not engage them...my tactic is to just not have enemies...and a little homer gloating over some demonstrable results is to be expected after years of doubt and snark about the Blazers....I'm having fun with it...don't be such a snowflake

 

[Hobbesarable]

Little side-track. Normally I'd hold this type of post back, but it's getting silly...

What's with the die-hard Olshey and Stotts supporters (not all of you) being more volatile then the people who they claim "can't accept others opinions"? It's mostly one guy in here but it's not just him in general.

"Eat crow"
"Apologize to Neil"
"You need to give props to Neil/Stotts"
"Grow up"
"Man up"

And then those that use these phrases complain about that type of posting from others the minute they get the chance to... Nobody has a problem with people being supportive of Neil, even if they disagree. I'll probably tell you I disagree, possibly question your objectivity in regard to the topic, but it's all in the framework of discussion and debate. It's about the topic at hand, not what you need to do, say, or any sort of personal attack. If I said things along these lines, y'all would definitely call me out on it.

I see these phrases used by the same people who self-righteously reprimand others for less, complaining about the constant "battles" that take place on this forum. If you don't want people saying things along the lines of "Grow up, apologize to me because you need to eat crow because Stotts sucks", then don't say these things!

Thing is, I don't care if you say these things. I'll respond in kind, and won't hold a grudge, or take is seriously or personally. What I really don't understand is how the same people that say these types of things will complain about others who use the same phrases back to them. They immediately go into defensive mode and somehow others "can't accept other opinions" even though they're saying these things to those who have different opinions.

It's so unnecessary. Either don't use these phrases and complain when anyone and everyone uses them, or don't complain when others use them back.

I generally stop reading a post once I read some of those aforementioned phrases. I will laugh my ass off, but I won't take the post seriously.

 

[CupWizier]

Little side-track. Normally I'd hold this type of post back, but it's getting silly...

What's with the die-hard Olshey and Stotts supporters (not all of you) being more volatile then the people who they claim "can't accept others opinions"? It's mostly one guy in here but it's not just him in general.

"Eat crow"
"Apologize to Neil"
"You need to give props to Neil/Stotts"
"Grow up"
"Man up"

And then those that use these phrases complain about that type of posting from others the minute they get the chance to... Nobody has a problem with people being supportive of Neil, even if they disagree. I'll probably tell you I disagree, possibly question your objectivity in regard to the topic, but it's all in the framework of discussion and debate. It's about the topic at hand, not what you need to do, say, or any sort of personal attack. If I said things along these lines, y'all would definitely call me out on it.

I see these phrases used by the same people who self-righteously reprimand others for less, complaining about the constant "battles" that take place on this forum. If you don't want people saying things along the lines of "Grow up, apologize to me because you need to eat crow because Stotts sucks", then don't say these things!

Thing is, I don't care if you say these things. I'll respond in kind, and won't hold a grudge, or take is seriously or personally. What I really don't understand is how the same people that say these types of things will complain about others who use the same phrases back to them. They immediately go into defensive mode and somehow others "can't accept other opinions" even though they're saying these things to those who have different opinions.

It's so unnecessary. Either don't use these phrases and complain when anyone and everyone uses them, or don't complain when others use them back.

And that's as bad as telling someone to " fuck off"?

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Exactlu my point. Nothing. So why is it necessary to wash rinse repeat with "criticism" of the sMe old crap on a daily basis. What if someone came in and praised Olsbey or one of the other targeted people every single day with the same level of praise some do in bashing said person.

I've always hoped that you would be the one to do that; instead of getting involved in disputes with the guys who are criticizing him.