BBW Around The Horn

[808Hornetsfan]

Okay, let's get this week's contest started. Remember, a player has five posts at the most for each topic, so make sure you say everything you want to say or points will be deducted from your total score if you post more than five. The scoring system is going to be simple, I'll give 1 point for a good fact or statement, I'll give 2 points if you have a really good statement or fact, and at most I will giive you 3 points for a brilliant statement or fact, etc. I'll let the four analysts make their opening statements, and you cannot make your second post until all four players have made their opening statements. If someone holds up the group by not posting, I will cut them from the panel and select someone from the waiting list to take over. So let's get started! :dribble: Panel-BluffCityBluenoballer07Suns Fan GuyThe Captain Day 1- Topic 1With the 2007 NBA Draft only three days away, it's only necessary that we have some draft discussion for this week's showdown. With Ohio State center Greg Oden expected to go #1 overall to the Portland Trailblazers, and Texas forward Kevin Durant expected to go #2 overall to the Seattle Sonics, which of these two will have the more successful career with his respective team? This includes both on the court production, and overall team team success.

 

[Suns Fan Guy]

I think Durant will produce more for the Sonics as a team and for himself because the Sonics can now stretch the floor people like Ridnour, Allen, and Lewis if he chooses to come back wil bring an outside threat, while Durant provides an inside option. The Sonics are going to be a nightmare for defenses next year because of that. On the other side Oden in Portland will cause major chemistry issues. I think Randolph has to go if Oden comes to Portland. Randolph will only block the development of Aldridge and Oden if he stays.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+1 for Suns Fan GuyAwaiting the other three to make their posts...

 

[The Captain]

No, it has to be Oden. You look at the champions in the history of the NBA, every dominant team had the star big man, who dominated the game. The exception being the 90's Bulls. When you have a guy like Jordan, you don't need a dominate big. But Durant is no Jordan.Celtics had Russell, the Lakers had Kareem and Shaq, Rockets had Hakeem, Spurs had/have Duncan and Robinson.When you have someone over 7'0 who can control the court with his size and power, you just can't stop him. Oden has that ability, and potential to do something great.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+2 for The Captain, the last few championships have gone to teams that had a dominating big man.

 

[CB4allstar]

Can you only get 1-3 points per post? or can you make more than one point in a post?

 

[808Hornetsfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 25 2007, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can you only get 1-3 points per post? or can you make more than one point in a post?</div>you can get more if it's a really, really, really good post.

 

[CB4allstar]

Can you explain, I'm a little confused. You have a scale of points for how good a point is in someone's post. But do you give out points twice or thrice if someone makes multiple points in their post?

 

[Memphology]

Greg Oden will have the better career as far as accomplishments, and with his team already having a excellent low post scoring machine, last years Rookie of The Year, and are about to get an excellent post defender, I see Portland making an immediate impact in the West. As far as the future goes, in the past decade, atleast one team in the NBA Finals had a very gifted big man. Houston had Hakeem, Utah had Karl Malone, Phoenix had Charles Barkley, and of course the past 9 seasons either Tim Duncan or Shaq has been in the NBA Finals. That just proves that dominant big men get to the Finals, and tend to win more championships than teams built around a perimeter player.Kevin Durant will come out and in his rookie season get Rookie Of The Year, great stats, alotve endorements, everything a instant superstar gets. But unlike the Blazers, Seattle is still going to be a lottery team. Seattle with or without Durant is not a very complete team at all, they are what you call soft, they shoot alot, a bit lazy on defense...and I can tell you now Kevin Durant isnt helping that at all.So who will have the better individual career? Kevin Durant...thats until Oden starts getting the Finals. Whos team will be better with that specific player? Portland, they would probably be better than Seattle without Oden, but getting Oden hes brings a strong, tall, and physical presence where hes going to scare alotve people from going into the lane.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+3 for BluffCity :happy0144: Once noballer makes his post, you all can use the rest of your posts for the day.

 

[noballer08]

This is a toss-up, but I think Oden will have the more successful career. Like I said before, centers like him only come around once every 5-10 years- the last great center we have had coming out of the draft was Tim Duncan in 1997. This guy has all of the tools to become an extremely productive big man in the pros; he's strong in the post, he blocks shots, claims space and rebounds- and most of all- he has heart and drive. Oden will be one of the most dominant in the next 10 years, trust me. As far as Durant is concerned, I think he'll come out of the gate doing well but probably won't win much with this Sonics team. They need more pieces and don't even know if Rashard Lewis will stay with them. Oden will bring his team further faster; Durant will probably be the guy that all the fans love with the big offensive numbers like Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter with no team accomplishments to show for it.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+2 for noballer07Okay players, you can use your last four posts to continue the argument..

 

[808Hornetsfan]

Totals so far:BluffCityBlue 3The Captain 2noballer07 2Suns Fan Guy 1I'll leave the discussion open until 6pm tonight, then it will be closed and we'll await tomorrow's topic.

 

[Memphology]

whoa....what about 12AM :biggrin:

 

[808Hornetsfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 25 2007, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>whoa....what about 12AM :biggrin:</div>thats cool, it just doesn't look like there's much more to say, but if you want to continue that's fine. Remember, you can debate with another person, just don't use up all your posts to quickly.

 

[noballer08]

Just to keep things going:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Suns Fan Guy @ Jun 25 2007, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Durant will produce more for the Sonics as a team and for himself because the Sonics can now stretch the floor people like Ridnour, Allen, and Lewis if he chooses to come back wil bring an outside threat, while Durant provides an inside option. The Sonics are going to be a nightmare for defenses next year because of that.</div>Durant as an inside option? I sure hope they don't post this guy up full time. Durant is a perimeter player; sure he's 6-10 but his outside skills is the reason why he is a 3. Yeah, he has shown that he can do a lil turn around jumper while posting up, but with his frame and his skillset he shouldn't be their inside option. The Sonics do need a low post scorer, but they since they didn't get the first pick they can help that out in the second round with someone like Aaron Gray.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Suns Fan Guy @ Jun 25 2007, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On the other side Oden in Portland will cause major chemistry issues. I think Randolph has to go if Oden comes to Portland. Randolph will only block the development of Aldridge and Oden if he stays.</div>Oden won't cause any more chemistry issues then they have now. If Randolph doesn't like it, too bad; he can step. Fans don't like him and he has too many problems off and on court. It's time for the young guys to step in for Portland.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+2 for noballer, he now takes the lead.

 

[CB4allstar]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jun 25 2007, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just to keep things goingurant as an inside option? I sure hope they don't post this guy up full time. Durant is a perimeter player; sure he's 6-10 but his outside skills is the reason why he is a 3. Yeah, he has shown that he can do a lil turn around jumper while posting up, but with his frame and his skillset he shouldn't be their inside option. The Sonics do need a low post scorer, but they since they didn't get the first pick they can help that out in the second round with someone like Aaron Gray.Oden won't cause any more chemistry issues then they have now. If Randolph doesn't like it, too bad; he can step. Fans don't like him and he has too many problems off and on court. It's time for the young guys to step in for Portland.</div>To add to this post: Remember Kids, George W. can bench more than this fool :happy0144:

 

[Memphology]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jun 25 2007, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oden won't cause any more chemistry issues then they have now. If Randolph doesn't like it, too bad; he can step. Fans don't like him and he has too many problems off and on court. It's time for the young guys to step in for Portland.</div>I disagree, with or without Randolph, Oden isnt going to be a big offensive factor until a couple years, and by them Randolph o Adlridge will probably be gone. I dont think Randolph will have any issues about it, in a recent article its said Randolph is extremely excited about playing WITH Oden. The teams chemistry isnt an issue, its certain Trailblazers being very unhappy about the record and the margin between the Ws and Ls. I think Portland believes they will make a major push for a playoffs spot(which I think they are capable of doing) and Randolph understands to do that, hes going to have to get well with Oden.EDIT:CB4, you have to stop posting in this...

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+2 for BluffCity, I had no idea that Randolph was excited to play alongside Oden. And yes CB4, try not to post in here, we don't want a huge thread with 5 or 6 pages. We should get a sub-forum for this.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

It looks like we've pretty much covered everything about this topic... thanks guys for posting!Day 1 ScoreBluffCityBlue- 5noballer07- 4The Captain- 2Suns Fan Guy- 1I'll have the next topic up tomorrow afternoon.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

Day 2- Topic 2Okay, let's continue on with today's topic... Kevin Garnett is expected to be traded sometime this offseason, and at this point K.G. is only interested in two teams, the L.A. Lakers and Phoenix Suns. With a big trade on the horizon, which of these teams would Garnett have the best chance of winning a championship? I'll let the panel make their posts, and I will score them later.

 

[Memphology]

Defiently the Phoenix Suns. The Suns are so deep in talent that they can actually still keep allstar pieces to play with KG. As for the Lakers would basicly trade everybody of any talent besides Kobe...and the two superstar thing isnt going to work in the West, as seen in Houston. If he goes to Phoenix, he will most likely be along side Amare, Steve Nash and good role players like Diaw and Bell. Nash, KG and Amare arent just 3 stars...those are 3 superstars. So my pick is easily Phoenix, although sources are saying KG to the Lakers is a lock.

 

[The Captain]

I agree. It has to be the Suns.Kevin Garnett will thrive in a high-tempo offense, where he can display his speed and power. With Steve Nash running the point, KG will be able to get the ball distributed to him more effectively. My third point is that KG will no longer be doubled or triple teamed. Opposing teams will now have to watch out for KG, Amare, AND Nash. This leaves Garnett open more often, with better shots to take.

 

[Suns Fan Guy]

I certainly hope it's the Suns. Especially if the Lakers have to give up kobe for him. Just look at the line-ups here assuming the Lakers trade Kobe LakersG: FarmarSG: Evans or VujacicSF: WaltonPF: KGC: Bynum or BrownSunsG: NashSG: BellSF: Diaw or HillPF: KG or Marion (depending on who we traded)C: STAT or KG (depending on who we trade)you got 3 superstars, an all defensive first teamer, and a seasoned veteran (or the mip)it's kinda obvious who's the better team.

 

[noballer08]

Kobe is amazing, and we all know that winning formula that is called a guard-big man duo, but I don't see him doing well in LA-LA land. Garnett is a pretty unselfish player but I don't see another superstar big man meshing with Kobe Bryant. Him and Shaq went sour when things started going South, and I don't see Garnett and Kobe being any better of a situation. Now, with Phoenix, they could go places with this guy. Kevin Garnett is the type of player that can do everything; he can shoot, he is an amazing rebounder, handles the ball well, passes, plays almost every position. That type of power forward is apart of the Suns offense. Him and Amare down low would make one of the best and most athletic frontcourts in the NBA, and we might even see the Suns lead the league in rebounding with these two guys. But, first and foremost, they have Steve Nash, a guy who gets his teammates involved and is the reason why that team has turned around the way it has. As long as they have him running that offense, they can go anywhere.

 

[Memphology]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jun 26 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe is amazing, and we all know that winning formula that is called a guard-big man duo, but I don't see him doing well in LA-LA land. Garnett is a pretty unselfish player but I don't see another superstar big man meshing with Kobe Bryant. Him and Shaq went sour when things started going South, and I don't see Garnett and Kobe being any better of a situation.</div>I disagree, KG is the type to take the 2nd hand, he will be the 2nd option and probably be the best at it. Kobe Bryant will also be willing to give up some of his scoring for somebody whos extremely capable like KG. I think they would do good in LA, but the players surrounding Kobe and KG wouldnt be good enough against teams like San Antonio, Dallas and Phoenix.

 

[noballer08]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 26 2007, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree, KG is the type to take the 2nd hand, he will be the 2nd option and probably be the best at it. Kobe Bryant will also be willing to give up some of his scoring for somebody whos extremely capable like KG. I think they would do good in LA, but the players surrounding Kobe and KG wouldnt be good enough against teams like San Antonio, Dallas and Phoenix.</div>I said that KG wasn't a selfish player, especially since he wants to win. But if you look back and see that after the Lakers stopped winning (I.e. losing the championship against the Pistons), Kobe and his big man started to disagree. I think that, because of your reasons about the lack of good role players around the two, they'd fail, and because of that we might see tensions start to boil over time much like that which happened to Shaq and Kobe.

 

[Memphology]

I think KG and Kobe are too mature now for that. Both have been on the top and the bottom and they would realize for the Lakers to be a success, they would have to hold the team together so they wouldnt fight, but work together to make the Lakers the best team it can be.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

Thanks guys for your posts. Here is the totals that each player received in today's topic...noballer07 +4BluffCityBlue +3The Captain +2Suns Fan Guy +1Overall ScoreBluffCityBlue 8noballer07 8The Captain 4Suns Fan Guy 2Tomorrow we'll play Buy or Sell, and then make our first cut of the week.