BBW Around The Horn

[Memphology]

just a suggestion, some of these topics are widely agreed on....try to find something a bit more contreversal.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 26 2007, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>just a suggestion, some of these topics are widely agreed on....try to find something a bit more contreversal.</div>no problem.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

Okay guys, it's Buy Or Sell time!!! :winkglasses: Day 3- Buy or SellLess than a month from being swept out of the NBA Finals, Cavs F LeBron James made the announcement on Tuesday that he will play for Team USA next month in the FIBA America's Tournament, where he will try to qualify the team for the 2008 Olympics. LeBron is taking a big risk by playing, seeing is how a number of Team USA players claimed they were tired out after playing in the world championships last August. Superstars such as Dwayne Wade, Elton Brand, and Chris Paul all had nagging injuries throughout the year, and their production dipped. If LeBron does suffer from exhaustion after the tournament as well as during the '07-08 NBA season, it could be a bad year for both King James and the Cavaliers. So guys, do you buy or sell LeBron having a bad year after another long summer?

 

[noballer08]

I'm gonna sell it down the river. This guy is a pro. We've seen a lot of great players play for Team USA during the Summer and go back into the league like it's no big deal. Jordan, Malone, Barkley, Duncan- all of these guys seemed to not be affected at all. LeBron is at that level where he can play a long summer and come back being effective. I think he's a healthy enough guy to stand the extended schedule.

 

[Memphology]

Im going to have to buy this. LeBron has averaged a total of 44minutes per game in the playoffs, and playing 20 games total in the playoffs which the games are close to each other, you have to think anybody would get worn down, even a 22 yr old phenom. His free throw percentage to a drop this season from LeBron playing in the World Championships last season, and I expect the same next season if he plays for the US. Although, this might be a plan to get away from the newborn Its not a question of can he or cant he...hes certainly is capable to do so and still be a elite player, but it will defiently wear him down a bit.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+1 for noballer07

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+2 for Bluffcity

 

[808Hornetsfan]

I guess The Captain and Suns Fan Guy both logged out before they got my PMs, feel free to continue posting.

 

[The Captain]

I gotta sell this one.Lebron is a great physical specimen. He makes a living playing basketball, and should be in great shape and have great durability. He's young, talented, and has that mentality that nothing is going to stop him.If anything, he'll benefit by this because he'll be getting the extra practice on his game, which can only help in the long run. He'll be getting more experience playing against different opponents, and he can take what he learns and apply it in the NBA.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+1 for The Captain, remember players today we make our first cut so try and post as much as you can.

 

[Suns Fan Guy]

Sell, Bron-Bron's to good for that. He won't miss a step, and I'll tel you one reason why. LeBron's athletisicim is a step or two ahead of guys like Brand and Wade. The way I see it this will be like a summer league to him. This may actually put him a step ahead, because superstars who chose not to play may be rusty. Although I don't think he should overdo it because that would obviously wear him out. So Bron, good idea but don't make it become a bad one

 

[noballer08]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 27 2007, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im going to have to buy this. LeBron has averaged a total of 44minutes per game in the playoffs, and playing 20 games total in the playoffs which the games are close to each other, you have to think anybody would get worn down, even a 22 yr old phenom. His free throw percentage to a drop this season from LeBron playing in the World Championships last season, and I expect the same next season if he plays for the US. Although, this might be a plan to get away from the newborn Its not a question of can he or cant he...hes certainly is capable to do so and still be a elite player, but it will defiently wear him down a bit.</div>LeBron has played last summer and came into this past season averaging 27 ppg and look where he brought his team. Right to the Finals. Yeah, he did play fewer minutes this season but he only missed four games and was still bringing it every night. He's a tough guy- look at his body. We were amazed at this guy's frame for a high schooler when he was drafted and we are still amazed now. It is that same frame that has kept him from having major injuries and missing more than 4 games each season. I just don't see this guy falling to injury because he played summer ball.

 

[Memphology]

Its proven that LeBron is affected by this, not in a major way but you see that LeBron came out in the beginning of the season sortve weak, he wasnt what he was a few months before. Of course hes built that strength back up(not physical strength, but got the fatigue to go away), but you can watch his early games this season, see the small nagging injuires and his stats even suffered, expecially his free throws...

 

[Memphology]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jun 27 2007, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LeBron has played last summer and came into this past season averaging 27 ppg and look where he brought his team. Right to the Finals. Yeah, he did play fewer minutes this season but he only missed four games and was still bringing it every night. He's a tough guy- look at his body. We were amazed at this guy's frame for a high schooler when he was drafted and we are still amazed now. It is that same frame that has kept him from having major injuries and missing more than 4 games each season. I just don't see this guy falling to injury because he played summer ball.</div>The discussion isnt about him falling to injury or completely falling off, hes still going to be an elite player, probably the 2nd or 3rd best in the league, but a player of any size can become fatigue and Lebron has shown he can. Hes still going to be very good...very great really...but it does affect him in small ways.

 

[The Captain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 27 2007, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its proven that LeBron is affected by this, not in a major way but you see that LeBron came out in the beginning of the season sortve weak, he wasnt what he was a few months before. Of course hes built that strength back up(not physical strength, but got the fatigue to go away), but you can watch his early games this season, see the small nagging injuires and his stats even suffered, expecially his free throws...</div>That doesn't even make sense. Fatigue can't go away if you are playing. He'd have to get a lot of rest to get better, but he couldn't since the season was going on. It was nothing more than a coincidence.

 

[noballer08]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 27 2007, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The discussion isnt about him falling to injury or completely falling off, hes still going to be an elite player, probably the 2nd or 3rd best in the league, but a player of any size can become fatigue and Lebron has shown he can. Hes still going to be very good...very great really...but it does affect him in small ways.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Superstars such as Dwayne Wade, Elton Brand, and Chris Paul all had nagging injuries throughout the year, and their production dipped. If LeBron does suffer from exhaustion after the tournament as well as during the '07-08 NBA season, it could be a bad year for both King James and the Cavaliers. So guys, do you buy or sell LeBron having a bad year after another long summer?</div>A bad year can either mean falling to injury or having your production drop severely or having your team miss the playoffs next year completely. I have no reason to believe that LeBron will have a bad year just because he played summer ball; this guy won't be fatigued or beaten up. He's definitely not an old player just yet. His team will be present in the playoffs next year and we will see him put up 26-27 ppg next season.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+2 for BluffCity+1 for noballer07+1 for Suns Fan GuyRemember this, D-Wade played in 23 playoff games last year and was right back to practicing with Team USA about a month afterward. The key thing to see is that Wade not only played in all those games during the championships, but he was immediately sent back to Miami for training camp and preseason. Before he knew it, he was playing another NBA season. When a player get's barely any time to rest, his stamina becomes a factor and his health will not only affect his play, but his team's play as well. The Heat were barely able to stay at .500 last season even with Wade, and his serious shoulder injury basically ended his year-long stretch of playing. I'm not saying LeBron will get hurt, but he's going to be pretty tired when the tournament ends and he's right back to training camp. And anything short of James' huge '06-07 season will be a disappointing year.

 

[Memphology]

He came out stronger after the allstar break, its not a coincedence, you really think Wade, Melo and Paul arent in just as good shape that Lebron is? Bulk doesn't keep you from fatigue, he was fatigued, he began to get rest more and more and got stronger but the season began he wasnt 100%, but after the allstar break he was back.

 

[Suns Fan Guy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 27 2007, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The discussion isnt about him falling to injury or completely falling off, hes still going to be an elite player, probably the 2nd or 3rd best in the league, but a player of any size can become fatigue and Lebron has shown he can. Hes still going to be very good...very great really...but it does affect him in small ways.</div>You could argue that, but 808 stated that Brand and Paul had injuries, so why can't it happen to LeBron? If I remember correctly Amare had no knee problems before training camp, then he had to have surgery.

 

[The Captain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 27 2007, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He came out stronger after the allstar break, its not a coincedence, you really think Wade, Melo and Paul arent in just as good shape that Lebron is? Bulk doesn't keep you from fatigue, he was fatigued, he began to get rest more and more and got stronger but the season began he wasnt 100%, but after the allstar break he was back.</div>He wasn't even resting during the all-star break. Unless you call tiresome media coverage, all-star events, and competing in the all-star game rest. It's not like he was at home relaxing in his pool.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+2 for BluffCity+2 for The Captain+1 for Suns Fan Guy

 

[Memphology]

Getting rest isnt literaly sitting around resting...allstar break is fun for the players and really no work goes into it.Suns Fan, I dont know what exactly your arguing

 

[The Captain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 27 2007, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting rest isnt literaly sitting around resting...allstar break is fun for the players and really no work goes into it.Suns Fan, I dont know what exactly your arguing</div>It still takes a toll on your body. He's still running up and down the court, playing basketball for a good 30 minutes. He's still staying in a hotel, not in his own bed. Still has media following him around, asking questions. It's exactly like how a real game on the road would be. It's fun, but still gets you tired. I speak from first hand experiences playing in all-star games in baseball and basketball. You enjoy it way more, but the physical factor is still there.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 27 2007, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Suns Fan, I dont know what exactly your arguing</div>+1 for BluffCity

 

[808Hornetsfan]

+2 for The Captain, LeBron does do a lot of interviews, camps, press conferences and promoting even on his free time.

 

[Memphology]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ Jun 27 2007, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It still takes a toll on your body. He's still running up and down the court, playing basketball for a good 30 minutes. He's still staying in a hotel, not in his own bed. Still has media following him around, asking questions. It's exactly like how a real game on the road would be. It's fun, but still gets you tired. I speak from first hand experiences playing in all-star games in baseball and basketball. You enjoy it way more, but the physical factor is still there.</div>I disagree, you dont have to be on your own bed to lose the fatigue. And in allstar games, you usually dont play 30 minutes do to so many awesome players on the team, and you still try but your not going to hustle or anything. Its refreshing, thats why you see alotve teams make strong serges late in the season for the playoffs.Im sorry, I didnt realize speaking to a microphone affects your body...

 

[The Captain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 27 2007, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree, you dont have to be on your own bed to lose the fatigue. And in allstar games, you usually dont play 30 minutes do to so many awesome players on the team, and you still try but your not going to hustle or anything. Its refreshing, thats why you see alotve teams make strong serges late in the season for the playoffs.Im sorry, I didnt realize speaking to a microphone affects your body...</div>Of course not, but it still affects your sleep. I know I sleep better in my own bed than in a hospital or hotel. It's a familiarity thing.Teams do make strong surges, yet other teams fall apart. Why is it that some teams struggle after the break, if it is supposed to re-energize you?It's a mental thing. Puts more stress on you. Would you rather be making a speech or relaxing on a beach drinking iced tea?EDIT: This is #5, right?

 

[Memphology]

LeBron isnt making speaches, and I can promise you two things, I sleep more than you do and LeBron goes to bed whenever he wants...nothing is stoping him.Im out, I went two over..haha.

 

[noballer08]

I don't think any of us can fully argue the effects of events and summer ball etc on a player's fatigue- we just don't know. All I know is that LeBron is a hell of an athlete and has bounced back from playing such an extended schedule in the past. You can look at his free throw stats and see it has gone down, but how do you know that that is attributed to fatigue? Being tired could even make him a better free throw shooter for all you know, it does for me at times. But, the fact is, even if he has been tired at the beginning of the season, look where they ended up- in the Finals. He had one of the best seasons of his career and he has made it to the promised land.

 

[808Hornetsfan]

Seeing is how this is a good topic, I'll extend you maximum amount of posts to 10, so Bluffcity has three remaining and The Captain has five remaining... Let's keep this going. :happy0144: