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http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2017/06/luke_heimlich_sex_crime_surfac.html

This really needs its own thread.

The conviction

Heimlich's felony conviction stems from an incident prosecuted by Pierce County beginning in March 2012. The young victim had reported Heimlich's abuse to her mother, and the father later contacted authorities, according to a probable cause document filed by prosecutors.

The girl told investigators that inside Heimlich's bedroom, he pulled down her underwear and "touched her on both the inside and outside of the spot she uses to go to the bathroom," according to court records.

"She said that she told him to stop, but he wouldn't," the documents state, and that "it hurt" when he touched her.

Prosecutors initially charged Heimlich with two counts of molestation for incidents between September 2009 and September 2010, and between September 2011 to December 2011. In Washington, child molestation in the first degree is a Class A felony.

"She said that the first time the respondent touched her she was four years old and that she was six years old the last time he did this," according to court records.

Heimlich ultimately pleaded guilty to one count of molestation between February 2011 and December 2011, a period in which he was 15. Prosecutors dismissed the other charge as part of a plea bargain.
 
The victim's mother said she does not keep tabs on Heimlich but knows he's one of the top players in the United States. She said her daughter was young enough that "she doesn't really remember everything that happened," but nonetheless has been ostracized from family events because most members of the Heimlich family have sided with Luke.

"He got two years of counseling and classes," she said. "My daughter's life has been changed for the rest of her life."

The mental gymnastics of all the Beavs fans that had a grand old time over the rash of criminal issues that the Ducks went through is pretty hilarious. Here's a few from the OLive comments.

"I woke up this morning very disappointed. Not in the story about Heimlich, I was disappointed in a group of journalists who needed attention. I know they most likely will delete a comment like this as soon as they see it but as a born and raised Oregonian, i am so disappointed in this story.

The fact that these details emerged the day before the opening game for oregon state in their super regional is wrong. The kid was 15, the fact that it is just now being brought to the light is ridiculous. The kid works harder than any one of these journalists day in and day out, on and off the field. All of the countless hours working towards a goal, to have a previous felony brought up the day before an opening game of a super regional series.

Luke made a bad decision at a young age. He knows that and i'm sure he thinks about it every day. To turn him into a news story to get views and comments on their article is disgusting.

You would think out of all people in this world, the Oregonian and Oregon Live would be very excited about the 2017 Beaver baseball team... Congratulations for bringing previous unnecessary details into light. The kid has a right to feel good about his recent successes and devotion to his sport and shouldn't be haunted by his actions as a 15 year old."

"This is a sick crime, but had this been a player from a school to our south, you would not be reading this article."

"Despicable column. Smear. And the media reacts with sanctimonious indignation when labeled as "fake news"? Pathetic attempt to destroy a human being. Just reprehensible."

"This is indefensible. period. Digging up seals Juvenile records that happened 6 years ago and have reached a resolution, in which Heimlich served his civil penalty for his specific actions, which were not discussed, and has moved on in his life.


publishing this story one day before he pitches in the super regional. there is no defense to that. None whatsoever. This was done to deliver the most relevant shock value possible. This was no "difficult" decision, this "decision" made itself in the skewed eyes of the news organization.


Oregonian. you are scum bags.


I am done reading Danny Moran, done reading the Oregonian for any Beaver news whatsoever. simply indefensible. "

They're mad at the paper!!! lol
 
6 fucking years old? I mean, I had hoped that this was a case of an 18 year old with a 15 year old gf (or bf), technically illegal but consenting.

six doesn't consent.

But hey, he can throw that fastball.
 
6 fucking years old? I mean, I had hoped that this was a case of an 18 year old with a 15 year old gf (or bf), technically illegal but consenting.

six doesn't consent.

But hey, he can throw that fastball.
I hope he got help....and I hope that 6 year has overcome the trauma.....15 year old male hormones often make idiotic decisions...as in his case but I don't think it has anything to do with baseball ....his failures are not his successes. Pitching discipline might be good therapy for the kid. Hopefully he'll use his mistakes to help others and I don't know that he hasn't done that.....or if he's capable of doing that
 
No, riverman. Sexual assault is not a mistake. I understand 15 year olds have raging hormones and all that but most 15 year olds don't molest 6 year old children. Most 15 year olds know better.
 
Sexual assault is not a mistake
Of course it is....any crime by a kid is a mistake....I think you misread my context. A lot of folks here are talking as if this is a present tense scenario but it's in his past and has been through the legal system...since then we don't know what has happened or at least I don't. I've addressed how wrong it is in several posts.
 
We can only help he has matured and learned how deeply disturbing this is (in general, history would indicate there are deeper, long-term issues rooted in this type of behavior, though).

That being said, he's been given a second chance and I hope he's become a better person. Our criminal system is supposed to be about justice and reform. If we're going to write this kid off from something horrible (and grossly disturbing) he did at 15, why did we just not go ahead and lock him up for life? I guess my question for those that are hating on him.... Did he not deserve a second chance at life?

I have two young children, so I'm not quite sure how I feel about all of this (I mean, I just read this and am processing it all). But if he lives the rest of his life toeing the line, should he be defined and cast aside for what he did at 15?
 
We can only help he has matured and learned how deeply disturbing this is (in general, history would indicate there are deeper, long-term issues rooted in this type of behavior, though).

That being said, he's been given a second chance and I hope he's become a better person. Our criminal system is supposed to be about justice and reform. If we're going to write this kid off from something horrible (and grossly disturbing) he did at 15, why did we just not go ahead and lock him up for life? I guess my question for those that are hating on him.... Did he not deserve a second chance at life?

I have two young children, so I'm not quite sure how I feel about all of this (I mean, I just read this and am processing it all). But if he lives the rest of his life toeing the line, should he be defined and cast aside for what he did at 15?

Does he deserve to have a second chance? Sure. Nobody is saying he should be put to death..... well... maybe some people would say that.

Does he deserve to become a pro baseball player and make millions of dollars and become a role model for kids? I'm not so sure. Ray Rice was basically ostracized from the NFL after video surfaced of him hitting his fiancee. On the other hand, Joe Mixon was drafted despite the video of him hitting that girl.

Do pro leagues have a moral obligation to exclude athletes that have done things that are morally reprehensible? Should pro athletes be held to a higher standard? It's a conversation that has been going on for a while now.... and this guy is just the most recent topic.
 
No, riverman. Sexual assault is not a mistake. I understand 15 year olds have raging hormones and all that but most 15 year olds don't molest 6 year old children. Most 15 year olds know better.
Agreed, most do. So why didn't he? Was he born morally reprehensible? Was he taught somehow that this was OK? Assuming he knew at the time that it was wrong, is he irredeemable?
 
Do pro leagues have a moral obligation to exclude athletes that have done things that are morally reprehensible? Should pro athletes be held to a higher standard?
What crimes fit this bill? All sexual and violent crimes? Any additions or exceptions?
 
Agreed, most do. So why didn't he? Was he born morally reprehensible? Was he taught somehow that this was OK? Assuming he knew at the time that it was wrong, is he irredeemable?
It was because he was white, and he was mansplaining.
 
the more money this dude makes playing baseball, the more money his victim can sue him for in 10 years or so.

Agreed, most do. So why didn't he? Was he born morally reprehensible? Was he taught somehow that this was OK? Assuming he knew at the time that it was wrong, is he irredeemable?

Hes got the satan in him, like that christian weirdo duggar dude. Demons be gone!
 
That is his answer, Platypus. The cunt deserved it.
 
What crimes fit this bill? All sexual and violent crimes? Any additions or exceptions?

I'm not really a fan of zero tolerance, so I would be hesitant to make a brightline........ but to me, this kind of crime fits that bill completely. This isn't a guy who got into a bar fight with a drunk fan, or any kind of drug charge (which I would pretty much exclude on 99% of instances). I would say things like rape, child molestation, domestic violence.... those are things that I would heavily consider for a lifetime ban.
 
It's awful. I feel bad for the victim. Hopefully she has found a way to cope. She is only 12ish now. It likely hurts her having it brought up in public way more than this dude.

The guy is a giant piece of shit. However,
I don't think its right to take this guy out back and destroy him. Having this follow him around is bad. But it's a consequence of his action. Hopefully he has redeemed himself.

I don't think dude should have a full ride.
 
It's awful. I feel bad for the victim. Hopefully she has found a way to cope. She is only 12ish now. It likely hurts her having it brought up in public way more than this dude.

The guy is a giant piece of shit. However,
I don't think its right to take this guy out back and destroy him. Having this follow him around is bad. But it's a consequence of his action. Hopefully he has redeemed himself.

I don't think dude should have a full ride.

I hope OSU does the right thing and sits him for the season. It's a damn shame for his teammates, but it wouldn't be right to play the kid (well, maybe OSU was fully aware of the situation beforehand and decided to give him a second chance).

That being said, he's MLB draft-eligible. I suspect he'll either get drafted or get a chance with some organization. He has a right to a career (and a right to be sued by his victim) but the standard should be higher for a university than for pro teams, so I hope they sit the kid.
 
It was supposed to be ironic. He called her a cunt in a different thread.
I certainly did not. She was just cuntsplaining. It's a thing.

Someone can mansplain without being a man.
 
That is his answer, Platypus. The cunt deserved it.
Clearly your words.

You remind me of the type of mother that blames her daughter for the dad molesting her.

If only it wasn't for the little girl, maybe he would pay more attention?
 
I hope OSU does the right thing and sits him for the season. It's a damn shame for his teammates, but it wouldn't be right to play the kid (well, maybe OSU was fully aware of the situation beforehand and decided to give him a second chance).

That being said, he's MLB draft-eligible. I suspect he'll either get drafted or get a chance with some organization. He has a right to a career (and a right to be sued by his victim) but the standard should be higher for a university than for pro teams, so I hope they sit the kid.

How would they be doing the right thing by punishing a kid twice? He did nothing while at OSU. I do not believe you can sue for future earnings. He may end up giving money to the victim if he gets a big contract but doubt he gets drafted high enough to get a sizable bonus now.

What is silly is that Washington allows the release of juvenile records. As the article said, he is a low level risk to re-offend. What good is going to come out of this getting out? He was 15. Being homeschooled, he could have been very sheltered. Rehabilitation seems highly likely.

I hope this is what the family of the victim wanted. If this had happened to my daughter, I do not know if I would have wanted the info released. Guessing the victims friends are going to figure out her identity pretty quick.
 
How would they be doing the right thing by punishing a kid twice? He did nothing while at OSU. I do not believe you can sue for future earnings. He may end up giving money to the victim if he gets a big contract but doubt he gets drafted high enough to get a sizable bonus now.

What is silly is that Washington allows the release of juvenile records. As the article said, he is a low level risk to re-offend. What good is going to come out of this getting out? He was 15. Being homeschooled, he could have been very sheltered. Rehabilitation seems highly likely.

I hope this is what the family of the victim wanted. If this had happened to my daughter, I do not know if I would have wanted the info released. Guessing the victims friends are going to figure out her identity pretty quick.

Easy to cherry pick this post and ignore my earlier. The first post was real life. The second was about career and moving forward.

I have little doubt that this is not what the victim wanted. It wouldn't have been this quiet just to explode today of all days if that's what the parents wanted. As the article says, much of this is past and forgotten by the daughter. Who wants to dredge that up? Unless she still has healing to do...
 
Easy to cherry pick this post and ignore my earlier. The first post was real life. The second was about career and moving forward.

I have little doubt that this is not what the victim wanted. It wouldn't have been this quiet just to explode today of all days if that's what the parents wanted. As the article says, much of this is past and forgotten by the daughter. Who wants to dredge that up? Unless she still has healing to do...

You are being contradictory with the two posts. Do you believe he should be punished twice?
 
You are being contradictory with the two posts. Do you believe he should be punished twice?

As I said in my posts, lotta mixed emotions about it. Thought that was pretty clear. But it's not about being punished twice. It's about having to be responsible for your actions. You fuck up in life, sometimes you have to pay your price through the criminal justice system but there's also the rest of the fallout. I'm all for him going pro and making his living in a free marketplace. I dont necessarily believe he should be playing collegiate ball, though. I believe they are two different standards.
 
Oregonian writer Danny Moran on 620am right now talking about his article.
 
Look, I agree that a person should serve his/her time and then go on even though emotionally, I feel like this child is not going to just "move on" so why should he?
So, yes, he has the right to pursue a career. But I don't want to hear about a "mistake". I don't want to hear him or anyone else say he's put it behind him. Or all the other crap used to justify the unjustifiable. Do you know how fucking sickening it is, every time an athlete or some other prominent person rapes, sexually assaults, molests, harasses, beats up we hear about his "mistake" or his "misbehavior".
 
Look, I agree that a person should serve his/her time and then go on even though emotionally, I feel like this child is not going to just "move on" so why should he?
So, yes, he has the right to pursue a career. But I don't want to hear about a "mistake". I don't want to hear him or anyone else say he's put it behind him. Or all the other crap used to justify the unjustifiable. Do you know how fucking sickening it is, every time an athlete or some other prominent person rapes, sexually assaults, molests, harasses, beats up we hear about his "mistake" or his "misbehavior".
So as long as he spends the rest of his life saying "I committed a crime, I victimized that girl, and it's a fact I will have to face every time I look in the mirror for the rest of my life", and any analysts talking about him need to refer to him as "child-molester-Luke-Heimlich" to ensure his crime is not minimized, I assume that would be enough?
 

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