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Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

Makes sense if we have our eye on someone else this offseason
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

Fuck yes, they should be trying to trade him. Dude can't play center full time and he's going to make way too much money for us to afford to pay him 10 million a year to be a backup big.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

Hickson for Bledsoe, get-r-done!

Develop him like how Dallas used JJ Barea off the bench and w/Jason Kidd.

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Damn, Joel Freeland as a starter. NVM...
 
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Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

I can see that if the goal is to go after Pekovic. Hickson might be too expensive as a backup.

I'm not sure if I'd rather have LA or Hickson as our starting PF though.
 
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Sinobas said:
I can see that if the goal is to go after Pekovic. Hickson might be too expensive as a backup.

I'm not sure if I'd rather have LA or Hickson as our starting PF though.
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You don't want Hickson as your starting power forward. You want LMA fully recovered from hip surgery next year. Trust me.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

I'd rather keep both, they work well together.

If we want to trade Hickson for cap-space we can just not re-sign him.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

I like JJ, but I think trading him is a good move. We need to get a bigger C to play some D and protect the inside.


On another note, I thought Meyers was only supposed to miss the road trip, but he is still out. Any news on him?
 
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Blazer4ever said:
I'd rather keep both, they work well together.

If we want to trade Hickson for cap-space we can just not re-sign him.
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They don't work well together ... defensively. As far as trading him for cap-space, I wouldn't do that, because you're right, that doesn't make much sense. I would however trade him for a first round pick or some journeyman big with a modest contract or a guy they thought would compliment LA for a couple of years.
 
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GOD said:
I like JJ, but I think trading him is a good move. We need to get a bigger C to play some D and protect the inside.


On another note, I thought Meyers was only supposed to miss the road trip, but he is still out. Any news on him?
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Leonard is out for a couple of weeks with his ankle sprain last I saw a few days ago.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
You don't want Hickson as your starting power forward. You want LMA fully recovered from hip surgery next year. Trust me.
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You have to take into account what you can get for LMA vs what you can get for Hickson though. If Hickson gives you 85% (just a number - pick your own) of LMA production at PF then it gets interesting depending on what comes back.

That is of course assuming you only get someone like for Mike Dunlevy or Jason Smith for Hickson or you only get a late first in trade for him where as with LMA you get Gortat and Dudley or Noah and Belinelli (just examples once again).

I wouldn't look to trade LMA, but I also wouldn't be against it in the right deal.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

LaMarcus is underpaid when you look at his production versus his contract, if you trade him it's incredibly unlikely you are going to be bringing back a superior talent in the trade. Hickson is also underpaid compared to his contract, but that calculus runs out in June, when he's almost certainly going to be overpaid relative to his actual impact on wins and losses.

Does that mean I wouldn't trade LaMarcus? No, but the circumstances would have to be right and the target would have to be a very specific player ... that I can't think of right now.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

I'm not sure a team will want to trade for him if his bird rights don't transfer.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
I'm not sure a team will want to trade for him if his bird rights don't transfer.
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Ya. I think it's finding a team that either

A: Has the cap space to sign him
B: Doesn't care about signing him but wants to rid a contract (multiple players from Portland)
C: Thinks it can win this year with rebounding help and inside scoring)

Any thoughts?
 
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Mediocre Man said:
Ya. I think it's finding a team that either

A: Has the cap space to sign him
B: Doesn't care about signing him but wants to rid a contract (multiple players from Portland)
C: Thinks it can win this year with rebounding help and inside scoring)

Any thoughts?
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But at the same time, you also have to factor in that the Blazers will want back:

A) Young talent

B) Draft picks

C) Size

So finding a combo of your three points and my three points will be damn hard.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Fuck yes, they should be trying to trade him. Dude can't play center full time and he's going to make way too much money for us to afford to pay him 10 million a year to be a backup big.
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with the new CBA I'll be pretty surprised if JJ garners a contract in that range from anyone. 7M per would be my top end guess for his services. Nothing wrong with them exploring the market tho

STOMP
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

Hickson loses his Bird Rights if he is traded, right? He can also veto any trade, right? I can't think of a scenario where he'd give up those rights, and with it, the ability to negotiate a sign and trade with any team in the league next off season. In Portland he is in a great position to produce good numbers, and increase his value going into free agency. If the Blazers get anything for him it seems most likely it'll be in the form of a sign and trade after the season.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

We should trade JJ to the Lakers for Steve Blake. :MARIS61:
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

his Bird Rights are only good for us (or if we S&T, but we can't take back more than we have in cap space). They allow his team to go over the cap to sign him, and he could get 7.5% raises instead of 4% raises. For what he's projected to get the difference is about 1M over the course of a 4yr contract.

However, that's the exact same scenario (minus the extra 250k/yr) that he'll have if he just goes to free agency. So the veto might be useful if he really doesn't want to go someplace, but financially and career-wise there really isn't a big deal.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

Let me get this straight. We want to trade our best rebounder and best inside scorer, and the guy who has brought a new energy to the team and shown Aldridge how to play in the paint?
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

Goal liver doesn't know shit.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

Yes, if it makes sense.

Because in about 40 games he will be someone else's best inside scorer and rebounder, and we will either get jack squat for it or we can give up 30 games of that scoring and rebounding for another player who'll be here longer or some draft picks.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

Mediocre Man said:
Ya. I think it's finding a team that either

A: Has the cap space to sign him
B: Doesn't care about signing him but wants to rid a contract (multiple players from Portland)
C: Thinks it can win this year with rebounding help and inside scoring)

Any thoughts?
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If only there was a team like the Nets last year now when they traded for Crash. I'm looking at DAL/LAL/PHL (although neither LAL nor PHL have the cap space)

Although it's probably the smart thing to do, Olshey will catch some serious shit if he trades away JJ for just a pick while we're in the playoff hunt.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
But at the same time, you also have to factor in that the Blazers will want back:

A) Young talent

B) Draft picks

C) Size

So finding a combo of your three points and my three points will be damn hard.
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I don't think the "young talent" is as important as veteran size. If we got back a player in the late 20's that can rebound, defend and set good picks; we would be in good shape.
 
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yuyuza1 said:
If only there was a team like the Nets last year now when they traded for Crash. I'm looking at DAL/LAL/PHL (although neither LAL nor PHL have the cap space)

Although it's probably the smart thing to do, Olshey will catch some serious shit if he trades away JJ for just a pick while we're in the playoff hunt.
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Dallas maybe a good trade partner because they have a shot at Dwight Howard this summer.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

Hickson for Mayo and Bernard James clears 5M more off their cap this summer. And I like Jae Crowder (especially at 3 years/600k per) for a bench guy too.
 
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BrianFromWA said:
Hickson for Mayo and Bernard James clears 5M more off their cap this summer. And I like Jae Crowder (especially at 3 years/600k per) for a bench guy too.
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Mayo has a player option he's almost certain to waive. Believe James' deal isn't guaranteed for next season. So that specifically wouldn't help them.
However, they definitely want to be players in free agency next season.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=co9gz6u

They probably don't do it. However, it sheds Vince's 3 million off of their cap for next season, when every little bit helps.

We get a little look at Beaubois, see if he can get back anything from his rookie year, where he looked like a find. Maybe playing alongside a fellow frenchmen helps? Maybe not. But we'd have his rights, maybe he intrigues as backup PG. Wright likewise probably does little longterm, but we get a look at him, still young, cheap, and at the least, he can block a shot or two for us. I think the move also improves our bench slightly this season. Vince isn't what he was, by any stretch, but he can still score a little off the bench for us, as can Beaubois and Wright, potentially. But basically, we get a short look at two people who could maybe possibly have some small future for us, versus 3 guys who very likely do not.
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

BrianFromWA said:
his Bird Rights are only good for us (or if we S&T, but we can't take back more than we have in cap space). They allow his team to go over the cap to sign him, and he could get 7.5% raises instead of 4% raises. For what he's projected to get the difference is about 1M over the course of a 4yr contract.

However, that's the exact same scenario (minus the extra 250k/yr) that he'll have if he just goes to free agency. So the veto might be useful if he really doesn't want to go someplace, but financially and career-wise there really isn't a big deal.
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bird rights matter if the team trading for him is over the cap
 
Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

No, they matter if the team will be over the cap in July. Big difference. And yes, a team like NYK might not trade for him on a one-year rental that they know they can't buy in July.

But as for JJ vetoing or not vetoing b/c of "Bird Rights", it's almost immaterial. He'll veto based on location or situation or whatever, but it's not b/c of "Bird Rights."
 
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