Trade Ben Simmons poll

[SharpesTriumph]

I'd like to know if Simmons is working out offsite with a personal trainer, on his fitness and shooting?

Doubt it, he's not known as a worker. Look at his shooting and skills, has he added anything to his game since his first seasons?

The guy has physical gifts, but those decline around age 27, so the clock is ticking.

 

[Scalma]

It’s also lowering his value, Morey has no choice but trade him and the entire league knows it

If he plays and plays well without crying his value will go back up.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Shouldn’t we pretty much be done for now with this whole conversation, at least as far as the Blazers go? Morey isn’t trading Simmons for CJ. That supposed deal has been discussed to death and, if it was going to happen, would have happened by now. Giving Morey his wet dream of Damian Lillard for Simmons would be monumentally stupid and isn’t going to happen. If Dame wants out, there are going to be better places for him to go than Philly and better returns for the Blazers than the offensively-challenged Simmons. Sure, the whole melodrama is fun to watch, but as far as relevance to the Blazers, it’s a boring discussion.

Agreed.

Also I bet Neil is much less interested in doing the trade now, both because Simmons drama makes him look worse than months ago, CJ is looking great, and there is no camp/preseason to integrate Ben into the Blazers system.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If you include assists, that is true. Not counting CJ's first 2 years (as he wasn't getting shots/minutes like he does now), collectively they both provide about 30 points a game (their own points + assists). It's the defense that makes a huge difference.

Ben has value with the ball in his hands same as Westbrook. But his lack of gravity really hurts the rest of the team, as opposed to CJ gravity helping the rest of the team's offense when he doesn't have the ball.

If Ben was here it would hurt Dame's game, there wouldn't be the space for Dame to create or have a two man screen game with Nurk/Zeller/etc.

I was interested in acquiring Ben before the season, but it always had a ton of risk, and now with more current events has slit to a flat out bad idea.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

If he plays and plays well without crying his value will go back up.

No way he plays ever again for Philly at least not home games. Can you imagine how ugly Philly fans will get. Not going to happen

 

[SharpesTriumph]

No way he plays ever again for Philly at least not home games. Can you imagine how ugly Philly fans will get. Not going to happen

Yes, I don't see how he can play in Philly.

Which makes Morey's firm stance all the more perplexing. What is the goal Morey is trying to get by demanding Ben fully participate and play with the team?

 

[Hoopguru]

Like the housing market when inventory is low a d there are buyers it drives the value up.
GM’s know he’s one if the best defenders in the league and a there aren’t many in the market.

 

[e_blazer]

Ben Simmons with a broken jump shot averages only a few points less than CJ in their respective careers. But he also averages way more assists and is arguably the best one on one defender in the league. It's no wonder Blazers fans think he'd be a really good fit with all the duplication in skill set we have with CJ in Norm and Simons.

Sure, I get why some folks think that the swap would be advantageous to the Blazers. That said, Morey's stated that he's not trading Simmons for less than a star player who he views as a difference-maker. He's said all of the trades proposed so far (CJ included) involve guys he sees as role players. Maybe Morey's position changes later, but for now at least, the CJ trade idea is dead.

 

[HailBlazers]

Sure, I get why some folks think that the swap would be advantageous to the Blazers. That said, Morey's stated that he's not trading Simmons for less than a star player who he views as a difference-maker. He's said all of the trades proposed so far (CJ included) involve guys he sees as role players. Maybe Morey's position changes later, but for now at least, the CJ trade idea is dead.

But but but CJ has his own shoe!

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Yes, I don't see how he can play in Philly.

Which makes Morey's firm stance all the more perplexing. What is the goal Morey is trying to get by demanding Ben fully participate and play with the team?

my opinion he’s hoping a team gets desperate maybe someone like Brooklyn or us. Maybe a Harden eventually makes sense or Lillard gets frustrated with his scoring average drops 10 points and we struggle.

Still say defensively adding Simmons makes us top 3 defensive team and enough offense to make us contender with Ben. That said if we play better d like I’m seeing every other game maybe we aren’t that far away even with CJ.

With Ben I think it would mimic Billups Pistons team and I think that type of team could win championship again

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Sure, I get why some folks think that the swap would be advantageous to the Blazers. That said, Morey's stated that he's not trading Simmons for less than a star player who he views as a difference-maker. He's said all of the trades proposed so far (CJ included) involve guys he sees as role players. Maybe Morey's position changes later, but for now at least, the CJ trade idea is dead.

He did change and said difference maker that opens the door

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Sure, I get why some folks think that the swap would be advantageous to the Blazers. That said, Morey's stated that he's not trading Simmons for less than a star player who he views as a difference-maker. He's said all of the trades proposed so far (CJ included) involve guys he sees as role players. Maybe Morey's position changes later, but for now at least, the CJ trade idea is dead.

If he thinks CJ is a role player, why did he offer Simmons for CJ and 3 picks?

 

[e_blazer]

If he thinks CJ is a role player, why did he offer Simmons for CJ and 3 picks?

Assuming that the reports on that were correct, I guess that Morey thought that CJ plus 3 first round picks plus 3 pick swaps would be equivalent to a difference-maker. Is anyone around here interested in Simmons at that price? I’m sure as hell not.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

my opinion he’s hoping a team gets desperate maybe someone like Brooklyn or us. Maybe a Harden eventually makes sense or Lillard gets frustrated with his scoring average drops 10 points and we struggle.

Still say defensively adding Simmons makes us top 3 defensive team and enough offense to make us contender with Ben. That said if we play better d like I’m seeing every other game maybe we aren’t that far away even with CJ.

With Ben I think it would mimic Billups Pistons team and I think that type of team could win championship again

Yes I get that and agree that could be the chance Morey is aiming for. But how does insisting Ben play improve the odds of those team's increasing offers? I think Brooklyn, us, or another team would give up the same or more assets if Ben is sitting at home vs having this bitter ugly hold out.

The only way I see Ben's involvement with the 6ers actually increasing his value is if he can rejoin the team, play in games, and play well. Is that really what Morey is aiming for?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If he thinks CJ is a role player, why did he offer Simmons for CJ and 3 picks?

3 picks and 3 pick swaps. Because all those picks have more value than CJ; its more pick equity than the haul for Paul George, Anthony Davis, James Harden, or basically any trade in NBA history. Simmons isn't at the level of those players, so it would be Morey "winning" a trade as he is obsessed with doing.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Another thing we need to keep an eye on is the foul rule changes. Scoring is down throughout the league, and defense is up. Scorers who get to the line are seeing significantly less attempts. CJ doesn't rely on getting to the line to score, so we might see an increase in his effectiveness relative to other star/all-star/quality starting level players. We also might see a change in the value of defensive players or the types of players that excel defensively.

Also as others have said many times, we have a new coach for the first time in Dame/CJ careers, and we have a team much deeper than 90% of the Blazer teams the last few decades. We have players up and down the roster either new to the team, expanded minutes, or with significantly changed roles. Just more reasons to give this roster ~30+ games to see how they are performing before we try to adjust a possible or not possible shortcoming in a trade.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Another thing we need to keep an eye on is the foul rule changes. Scoring is down throughout the league, and defense is up. Scorers who get to the line are seeing significantly less attempts. CJ doesn't rely on getting to the line to score, so we might see an increase in his effectiveness relative to other star/all-star/quality starting level players. We also might see a change in the value of defensive players or the types of players that excel defensively.

Also as others have said many times, we have a new coach for the first time in Dame/CJ careers, and we have a team much deeper than 90% of the Blazer teams the last few decades. We have players up and down the roster either new to the team, expanded minutes, or with significantly changed roles. Just more reasons to give this roster ~30+ games to see how they are performing before we try to adjust a possible or not possible shortcoming in a trade.

yeah but he lifts weights!!!

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Assuming that the reports on that were correct, I guess that Morey thought that CJ plus 3 first round picks plus 3 pick swaps would be equivalent to a difference-maker. Is anyone around here interested in Simmons at that price? I’m sure as hell not.

3 of our picks won’t get him a difference maker

 

[wizenheimer]

Another thing we need to keep an eye on is the foul rule changes. Scoring is down throughout the league, and defense is up. Scorers who get to the line are seeing significantly less attempts. CJ doesn't rely on getting to the line to score, so we might see an increase in his effectiveness relative to other star/all-star/quality starting level players. We also might see a change in the value of defensive players or the types of players that excel defensively..

I can just about guarantee the if the trends continue and elite scorers are scoring less the officials will start 'adjusting' their whistles.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I can just about guarantee the if the trends continue and elite scorers are scoring less the officials will start 'adjusting' their whistles.

I sure hope not. If David Stern was running things yes it would. But you have a lot of powerful rich new owners, and more owners in smaller markets, who ultimately are Adam Silver's boss.

 

[wizenheimer]

I sure hope not. If David Stern was running things yes it would. But you have a lot of powerful rich new owners, and more owners in smaller markets, who ultimately are Adam Silver's boss.

most fans don't buy tickets or tune in to see defense. And TV advertisers want a bigger audience.

 

[e_blazer]

3 of our picks won’t get him a difference maker

Maybe, maybe not. It kind of depends on whether Simmons would work out here or whether the trade might cause an implosion that could lead to Dame demanding his way out of town. I'd sure hate to enter a rebuild situation, with lottery picks likely at stake, where three of the Blazers' next few years' draft picks were going to get picked up by Philly and another three picks with them where our lottery pick gets swapped for their late first rounder. OTOH, maybe Morey really values CJ more than he's letting on and wants the draft capital as icing on the cake. I happen to think that CJ is exactly the kind of perimeter threat that would work well with Embiid.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

most fans don't buy tickets or tune in to see defense. And TV advertisers want a bigger audience.

I for one am glad they changed the rules, while I love scoring I think free throws destroy the pace of the game. Interesting to see how much Harden relied on free throws to pad his scoring. Also helped him keep spacing because defenders were scared to get ticky tack fouls.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

3 picks and 3 pick swaps. Because all those picks have more value than CJ; its more pick equity than the haul for Paul George, Anthony Davis, James Harden, or basically any trade in NBA history. Simmons isn't at the level of those players, so it would be Morey "winning" a trade as he is obsessed with doing.

Harden got 4 firsts and 3 swaps, didn’t it?

 

[royo]

It is nice that nothing happened in preseason. Now we know, we can't afford to add neither Ant or Little to CJ trade.
Looks like Covington now.
I voted for strait swap and I like RoCo, but I can agree to add his and pull the trigger.
Just need CJ to go for 40 on some next game

 

[sheed30]

it’s not smart because he will have to play for them again as it’s obvious by now that Morey won’t just give him away. He needs to rebuild some value. Chanting against him isn’t going to speed up the process, if anything it’ll do the opposite.

I get that point, but it's more of the fans putting pressure on the team to end this shit as soon as possible. You know how uncomfortable he will be when he is playing in front of those fans and they're booing him. He might play like shit lol. That shit will be so toxic, I think that actually makes Morey speed this shit up and trade him quicker.

Then you have the talk of Simmons just sitting out till December 15th I think it is, when free agents can be traded and more trade scenarios are possible. I think that is very likely too, and a decent chance Simmons never even steps foot on the Sixers court again.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I get that point, but it's more of the fans putting pressure on the team to end this shit as soon as possible. You know how uncomfortable he will be when he is playing in front of those fans and they're booing him. He might play like shit lol. That shit will be so toxic, I think that actually makes Morey speed this shit up and trade him quicker.

Then you have the talk of Simmons just sitting out till December 15th I think it is, when free agents can be traded and more trade scenarios are possible. I think that is very likely too, and a decent chance Simmons never even steps foot on the Sixers court again.

Yeah, I don't see how Simmons plays for them again. He can just seek treatment for back spasms in LA and collect his paycheck.

 

[royo]

Another thing to add to this scenario is this: If Blazers trade CJ for Ben, Dame will have to score more. I mean, 'we have shooters' still, we have Ant, Powell and Nas to score what CJ do, but Dame will have to add +5points to his average and this will help him with his MVP quest. Our defense will improve and we will be in top3. It is a win situation for everybody.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I wish the Kings would just trade Fox for Simmons before everyone realizes that Fox is way overrated.


Added bonus: you get rid of the two reminders that Sacto didn't take Doncic (Fox is the main reason they didn't and Bagley is the bust they took instead) and swap them for a guy who, as much as anyone can, has a shot at being a Doncic-stopper.

Of course, Simmons can't shoot, but (a) neither can Fox, and (b) finally Buddy Hield starts paying off for that team (actually, he already has).

 

[Hoopguru]

I wish the Kings would just trade Fox for Simmons before everyone realizes that Fox is way overrated.
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Added bonus: you get rid of the two reminders that Sacto didn't take Doncic (Fox is the main reason they didn't and Bagley is the bust they took instead) and swap them for a guy who, as much as anyone can, has a shot at being a Doncic-stopper.

Of course, Simmons can't shoot, but (a) neither can Fox, and (b) finally Buddy Hield starts paying off for that team (actually, he already has).

He will end up in CA. Thats where he wants to go an players like him seem to get their wish. You know his agent is going to work all the angles.