Trade Ben Simmons poll

[Shaboid]

Trading Nurk would be really dumb.

You forget that once this whole Olshey investigation is over, we're resigning Meyers.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Trading Nurk would be really dumb.

why is that? I sure hope we don’t Sign him to a massive contract in July - so best we find a team to trade him to!

 

[andalusian]

Trading Nurk would be really dumb.

If you think he will resign. I think Nurkic will not resign here for what he is really worth, trading him is the only way to get some value for him, the other alternative is overpaying for a player that would have thrived in the nba of 15 years ago but is a role player in today's NBA. Zco was supposed to be Portland's modern NBA big, doubling down on a relic will haunt Portland going forward.

 

[HailBlazers]

If you think he will resign.

Team friendly deal yes.

 

[boredinsalem]

This is a rock bottom deal, but I think we might be a better team with the following:

McCollum/Roco for Love/Okoro

They get more balanced and add scoring and some shooting to go with their impressive backline. We get under the tax, balance out the roster, retain cap flexibility for next year, and get younger. Who knows what Dame makes of it though.

Lillard/Simons
Powell/Okoro
Little/Snell
Love/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller

I actually think that Love/Nurkic lineups would feast when healthy. We could play some bully ball and the passing from all of our bigs would be top notch. We'd be absolutely dependent on Dame's health and growth from Simons, Okoro, and Little, but we're not going anywhere now so fuck it.

 

[Minstrel]

Team friendly deal yes.

"Team friendly deal" invariably means fewer years and/or dollars. I don't see Nurkic, a proud guy who doesn't believe he gets enough touches and chances to run the offense through himself, going along with that. I think andalusian is right that Nurkic is likely to price himself out of Portland's market as a free agent.

 

[Lanny]

It kind of looks like they're throwing him under the bus, which is pretty unfair given this:

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His +/- is way higher than Trae Young's, for example... (Cue usual trashing of +/-)

The only three worth a shit out of that list are Devon Booker, Jrue Holiday and Chris Paul.

 

[wizenheimer]

If you think he will resign. I think Nurkic will not resign here for what he is really worth, trading him is the only way to get some value for him, the other alternative is overpaying for a player that would have thrived in the nba of 15 years ago but is a role player in today's NBA. Zco was supposed to be Portland's modern NBA big, doubling down on a relic will haunt Portland going forward.

I think that's all likely accurate

if free agency started today, I don't think there's any chance Nurkic would re-sign with Portland. And if Nurkic didn't get the kinds of offers he expected (which is also likely) I'd think he'd blame Billups and Olshey for torpedoing his contract year...and wouldn't re-sign even if the Blazers offered a little more money than anybody else. I can't see any of that dynamic changing much over the rest of the season; but I guess it's possible

problem is Olshey is still the GM and, IMO, he won't do anything that could jeopardize the win total this season. I think he's desperate to be proven right about the "roster isn't the problem", and trading away Nurkic takes away the best defender & rebounder. Blazers would lose more games. How many more I don't know but they'd probably be in the play-in at best

I'd say there is a really good chance that Nurkic will walk next summer. Same for RoCo and he'll take the ghosts of two 1st round picks with him

 

[TBpup]

Simmons is still the most talented player the Blazers could hope to pair with Dame, baggage, warts and all.

He makes the Blazers a better defensive team, a more athletic team, and a bigger team... which are all things Chauncey wants.

He also makes us better in all of those areas just by pushing Powell to SG.

And it's not like we wouldn't get more out of moon on offense than we are getting from RoCo.

This has the biggest upside and that is one of the things Cronin spoke about.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

OK, looking back, I think we dodged a bullet here, as I love Josh Hart, and even though I may be the last person in the world still intrigued by Simmons' unique skill set (and prepared to look past his GLARING deficits), Hart is all around (ESPECIALLY when you include his personality) more valuable than Simmons right now. HOWEVER, given this:

Ben Simmons’s Name in Trade Talks As Nets Hope to Salvage Season, per Report

I would be prepared to offer this:



I'm pretty sure I'm the only one, though, and it's only because (a) I've never been the biggest Jerami Grant fan, and (b) I actually think Jabari Walker will make Jerami kind of redundant soon anyway. Oh, and (c) if we trade Payton II before he ever plays for us, we won't miss him. Although we can't trade him until Dec 15th (as it says) so he's likely to have played for us (and Simmons traded by the Nets) by then...

(It's a shame we don't have Lonnie Walker IV to keep the numbers going...)

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Is Simmons really washed up? Starting to look that way. Is it primarily physical or psychological? Is this a Markelle Fultz thing?

Still think there might be a mentor who could work on him. San Antonio used to be interested - maybe if he could realize that he's teetering on the brink and just totally set his ego aside...

 

[SIeepwalker]

OK, looking back, I think we dodged a bullet here, as I love Josh Hart, and even though I may be the last person in the world still intrigued by Simmons' unique skill set (and prepared to look past his GLARING deficits), Hart is all around (ESPECIALLY when you include his personality) more valuable than Simmons right now. HOWEVER, given this:

Ben Simmons’s Name in Trade Talks As Nets Hope to Salvage Season, per Report

I would be prepared to offer this:

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I'm pretty sure I'm the only one, though, and it's only because (a) I've never been the biggest Jerami Grant fan, and (b) I actually think Jabari Walker will make Jerami kind of redundant soon anyway. Oh, and (c) if we trade Payton II before he ever plays for us, we won't miss him. Although we can't trade him until Dec 15th (as it says) so he's likely to have played for us (and Simmons traded by the Nets) by then...

(It's a shame we don't have Lonnie Walker IV to keep the numbers going...)

Hell no.

 

[illmatic99]

OK, looking back, I think we dodged a bullet here, as I love Josh Hart, and even though I may be the last person in the world still intrigued by Simmons' unique skill set (and prepared to look past his GLARING deficits), Hart is all around (ESPECIALLY when you include his personality) more valuable than Simmons right now. HOWEVER, given this:

Ben Simmons’s Name in Trade Talks As Nets Hope to Salvage Season, per Report

I would be prepared to offer this:

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I'm pretty sure I'm the only one, though, and it's only because (a) I've never been the biggest Jerami Grant fan, and (b) I actually think Jabari Walker will make Jerami kind of redundant soon anyway. Oh, and (c) if we trade Payton II before he ever plays for us, we won't miss him. Although we can't trade him until Dec 15th (as it says) so he's likely to have played for us (and Simmons traded by the Nets) by then...

(It's a shame we don't have Lonnie Walker IV to keep the numbers going...)

i would do that too. I have no interest in giving Grant a 100+ mil extension. And while the idea of GP2 is nice, he doesn't make that much sense for our roster with Sharpe/Hart.

but it's kinda wild, in a vacuum, one can legitimately say that Ben Simmons is currently a taller Justise Winslow who is getting paid 35 mil. We would have to confirm that his issues right now are because of injuries.

 

[illmatic99]

BTW, Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks spent some time on the Lowe Post today hashing out Durant trade ideas.

They both thought Portland was a good option.

They brought up Grant as the main piece. Then Hart as a rotational starter. And Sharpe, but both said Portland would have to think long and hard about moving him. And both said we don't have any interest in moving Simons.

Marks brought up Nurkic, but said we would have to get Claxton back.

I would do Grant + Nurk + Hart + 3 pick swaps for Durant + Claxton.

Dame
Ant
Winslow
KD
Claxton

with Nas/Sharpe/Keon/GP2/Eubanks off the bench. NGL, that is an absolutely sick team if healthy. BK would obviously insist on Sharpe.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

OK, looking back, I think we dodged a bullet here, as I love Josh Hart, and even though I may be the last person in the world still intrigued by Simmons' unique skill set (and prepared to look past his GLARING deficits), Hart is all around (ESPECIALLY when you include his personality) more valuable than Simmons right now. HOWEVER, given this:

Ben Simmons’s Name in Trade Talks As Nets Hope to Salvage Season, per Report

I would be prepared to offer this:

View attachment 50678

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one, though, and it's only because (a) I've never been the biggest Jerami Grant fan, and (b) I actually think Jabari Walker will make Jerami kind of redundant soon anyway. Oh, and (c) if we trade Payton II before he ever plays for us, we won't miss him. Although we can't trade him until Dec 15th (as it says) so he's likely to have played for us (and Simmons traded by the Nets) by then...

(It's a shame we don't have Lonnie Walker IV to keep the numbers going...)

I could potentially be convinced to do such a trade - but only if we get some picks back. All that for someone who is showing pretty much nothing and garners a huge paycheck - nah unless there is further compensation (i.e., picks).

 

[Idog1976]

BTW, Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks spent some time on the Lowe Post today hashing out Durant trade ideas.

They both thought Portland was a good option.

They brought up Grant as the main piece. Then Hart as a rotational starter. And Sharpe, but both said Portland would have to think long and hard about moving him. And both said we don't have any interest in moving Simons.

Marks brought up Nurkic, but said we would have to get Claxton back.

I would do Grant + Nurk + Hart + 3 pick swaps for Durant + Claxton.

Dame
Ant
Winslow
KD
Claxton

with Nas/Sharpe/Keon/GP2/Eubanks off the bench. NGL, that is an absolutely sick team if healthy. BK would obviously insist on Sharpe.

Now KD to Portland that does kinda interest me, but I'd rather keep Sharpe than Ant if they insisted on one or the other. Sharpe plays defense and I'd play KD at the 3 with Winslow at the 4.

 

[blazerkor]

If Ben is available and the Nets are being reasonable, after January 15, this is my trade that I'd accept (I would likely start the conversation with two firsts but then let them whittle me down to one).


Ben would start at Center and he would ideally play all of his minutes there. That doesn't mean he couldn't initiate the offense (including bringing the ball up) on certain plays it just means he would be our 5 when he is in. I think we would then want to pick up a backup C off of the buyout market or just a free agent and possibly a backup PG although with all of the guys that can initiate the offense (Winslow, Hart, Keon, obviously Dame and Ben) we wouldn't really need that backup PG because GP2 could backup the 1 spot with someone else running point.

I think that a rotation of Dame, Shaedon, Hart, Grant, Simmons, Justise, GP3, Nas and possibly someone like our good friend LaMarcus Aldridge would make a lot of noise in the playoffs and be a very elite defensive team along with being an extremely potent offensive team.

 

[andalusian]

If Ben is available and the Nets are being reasonable, after January 15, this is my trade that I'd accept (I would likely start the conversation with two firsts but then let them whittle me down to one).
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Ben would start at Center and he would ideally play all of his minutes there. That doesn't mean he couldn't initiate the offense (including bringing the ball up) on certain plays it just means he would be our 5 when he is in. I think we would then want to pick up a backup C off of the buyout market or just a free agent and possibly a backup PG although with all of the guys that can initiate the offense (Winslow, Hart, Keon, obviously Dame and Ben) we wouldn't really need that backup PG because GP2 could backup the 1 spot with someone else running point.

I think that a rotation of Dame, Shaedon, Hart, Grant, Simmons, Justise, GP3, Nas and possibly someone like our good friend LaMarcus Aldridge would make a lot of noise in the playoffs and be a very elite defensive team along with being an extremely potent offensive team.

Until Sharpe can prove that he can reliably contribute on offense (which is not going to happen until his handle improves a lot, imho) - you do not get rid of Simons. This team will need a secondary, reliable offense threat, and right now it is Dame >>> Ant >> anyone else on the roster.

 

[blazerkor]

Until Sharpe can prove that he can reliably contribute on offense (which is not going to happen until his handle improves a lot, imho) - you do not get rid of Simons. This team will need a secondary, reliable offense threat, and right now it is Dame >>> Ant >> anyone else on the roster.

I think Jerami is much closer to Ant than you are giving him credit for. But yeah, Shaedon would have to show a lot more than he has in order to make this trade and I think he will by mid January... if he hasn't I still might make the trade because despite what he's doing right now, the right coach could unlock Ben Simmons and he could again be an all nba player and if playing the correct position could be an even more impactful player.

 

[Natebishop3]

Now KD to Portland that does kinda interest me, but I'd rather keep Sharpe than Ant if they insisted on one or the other. Sharpe plays defense and I'd play KD at the 3 with Winslow at the 4.

The cost of getting Durant because of the size of his contract is prohibitive, especially since the team is hard capped. He makes $44.1 million this year.

A trade would require financially:

Ant
Hart
GPII

Or

Simons
Sharpe
Nurk

Or

Hart
Payton
Nurk
Winslow
Little

But here's the rub. Since we're hard capped, we won't be able to sign any other players to fill those slots. We can't go over the cap for any reason. That's why some of us were so annoyed at getting hard capped with Payton. It extremely limited what we can do this season at the deadline.

 

[RR7]

No chance at this point I'm moving simons and nurk for summons.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I think there's an overreaction here. Ben hasn't played pro basketball in how long? And he's coming back from surgery. He will get better.

Saying all that, I'm not sure the risk/salary/cost would be worth it to trade for him.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Just read that a GM considers his trade value now is zero. We don't have expiring contracts of guys we want to get rid of to trade.

 

[blazerkor]

I think there's an overreaction here. Ben hasn't played pro basketball in how long? And he's coming back from surgery. He will get better.

Saying all that, I'm not sure the risk/salary/cost would be worth it to trade for him.

I agree with your first statement for sure. I'm saying that I think if he's still struggling in mid January and Shaedon is showing that he could be an effective starter then that the risk would be worth the reward of what the leadership of Chauncey and Dame would almost certainly do to Ben Simmons playing center in a role similar but with so many more benefits than the one that Nurk plays on offense and everything that Nurk can do plus all of that athleticism on defense.

 

[blazerkor]

Just read that a GM considers his trade value now is zero. We don't have expiring contracts of guys we want to get rid of to trade.

I completely disagree that his trade value is zero but if we were sending Ant and Nurk for him we would at least have to recoup one FRP if not more in that trade.

 

[BankTeller]

BTW, Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks spent some time on the Lowe Post today hashing out Durant trade ideas.

They both thought Portland was a good option.

They brought up Grant as the main piece. Then Hart as a rotational starter. And Sharpe, but both said Portland would have to think long and hard about moving him. And both said we don't have any interest in moving Simons.

Marks brought up Nurkic, but said we would have to get Claxton back.

I would do Grant + Nurk + Hart + 3 pick swaps for Durant + Claxton.

Dame
Ant
Winslow
KD
Claxton

with Nas/Sharpe/Keon/GP2/Eubanks off the bench. NGL, that is an absolutely sick team if healthy. BK would obviously insist on Sharpe.

No way BRK listens to a POR offer that doesn’t start with Ant imo. Or if it’s those three guys going out, it’ll take unprotected picks, not pick swaps.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

No way BRK listens to a POR offer that doesn’t start with Ant imo. Or if it’s those three guys going out, it’ll take unprotected picks, not pick swaps.

Good, because I REALLY don't want us trading for Durant. I don't think I could really enjoy even a championship got by bringing in Durant as a hired gun

 

[BankTeller]

I completely disagree that his trade value is zero but if we were sending Ant and Nurk for him we would at least have to recoup one FRP if not more in that trade.

Both Ant and Nurk are better than Simmons at this current moment. I would require at least 2 FRPs if we are just getting Ben back.

 

[Idog1976]

The cost of getting Durant because of the size of his contract is prohibitive, especially since the team is hard capped. He makes $44.1 million this year.

A trade would require financially:

Ant
Hart
GPII

Or

Simons
Sharpe
Nurk

Or

Hart
Payton
Nurk
Winslow
Little

But here's the rub. Since we're hard capped, we won't be able to sign any other players to fill those slots. We can't go over the cap for any reason. That's why some of us were so annoyed at getting hard capped with Payton. It extremely limited what we can do this season at the deadline.

I would do the first trade actually.

 

[Idog1976]

Both Ant and Nurk are better than Simmons at this current moment. I would require at least 2 FRPs if we are just getting Ben back.

Simmons plus 2 first for Nurk and Simons? Hmm the two FRP's make it interesting with Sharpe but he's EARLY in his development.