Trade Ben Simmons poll (2 Viewers)

[tykendo]

Not to mention one wants to be in Portland and the other would be looking to force his way out ASAP.

I think many of us love CJ, but know that to become a well rounded roster we need an impact PF. Not some used up free agent with little ability. The only way to acquire that PF is through trade. Green & Harris would help this team in a big way. I totally agree on Nightlife Boy. He's got Head Upcha.

 

[dviss1]

I think many of us love CJ, but know that to become a well rounded roster we need an impact PF. Not some used up free agent with little ability. The only way to acquire that PF is through trade. Green & Harris would help this team in a big way. I totally agree on Nightlife Boy. He's got Head Upcha.

I'm on board with wanting CJ gone. But to trade him for Simmons is STUPID IMHO. I'd honestly rather have Jerami Grant that Tobias Harris if Siakam is off the table.

 

[wizenheimer]

Calm the fuck down. Everyone who knows me in this forum knows my sarcasm meter is broken. I don't know what to do with jokes that aren't funny.
I didn't even know it was a joke. Jokes are supposed to be funny. What you said was stupid to me and didn't make sense.

well, if you didn't find that joke funny, wait till you see what I come up with next

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Minstrel]

I will say that Simmons fits pretty well in Minnesota. They have score first guards (though, presumably they'd have to give up Anthony Edwards in the trade) and their star big man is comfortable playing on the perimeter and shooting threes. Minnesota badly needs its own "Draymond Green."

The thing is, people keep saying that Simmons is a young, more athletic Green but that's not necessarily the case. People make the comparison between two great defensive forwards who can handle and pass and aren't shooting threats, but there's a huge difference between their style of defense. Simmons, like Kawhi Leonard, is a superior individual defender to Draymond Green. Green is very good as a multi-positional defender, but he doesn't have the sheer athleticism to lock down the way Leonard or Simmons can. Where Green shines is essentially as a defensive coordinator on the court--his genius lies in sniffing out plays ahead of time, knowing where his teammates should be two steps ahead and directing them there when necessary. Simmons (and really no other current player) has shown that particular genius and that's really what a team like Minnesota needs more than a great individual defender. But still, they could use a great individual defender who can plug any single hole at need, they have other scorers and Simmons doesn't really get in the way of Russell or Towns, the way he struggled to fit optimally alongside Embiid.

 

[illmatic99]

@BonesJones Where is this from?

 

[Hoopguru]

I will say that Simmons fits pretty well in Minnesota. They have score first guards (though, presumably they'd have to give up Anthony Edwards in the trade) and their star big man is comfortable playing on the perimeter and shooting threes. Minnesota badly needs its own "Draymond Green."

The thing is, people keep saying that Simmons is a young, more athletic Green but that's not necessarily the case. People make the comparison between two great defensive forwards who can handle and pass and aren't shooting threats, but there's a huge difference between their style of defense. Simmons, like Kawhi Leonard, is a superior individual defender to Draymond Green. Green is very good as a multi-positional defender, but he doesn't have the sheer athleticism to lock down the way Leonard or Simmons can. Where Green shines is essentially as a defensive coordinator on the court--his genius lies in sniffing out plays ahead of time, knowing where his teammates should be two steps ahead and directing them there when necessary. Simmons (and really no other current player) has shown that particular genius and that's really what a team like Minnesota needs more than a great individual defender. But still, they could use a great individual defender who can plug any single hole at need, they have other scorers and Simmons doesn't really get in the way of Russell or Towns, the way he struggled to fit optimally alongside Embiid.

Been saying Minn or Sac all along.

 

[tykendo]

I will say that Simmons fits pretty well in Minnesota. They have score first guards (though, presumably they'd have to give up Anthony Edwards in the trade) and their star big man is comfortable playing on the perimeter and shooting threes. Minnesota badly needs its own "Draymond Green."

The thing is, people keep saying that Simmons is a young, more athletic Green but that's not necessarily the case. People make the comparison between two great defensive forwards who can handle and pass and aren't shooting threats, but there's a huge difference between their style of defense. Simmons, like Kawhi Leonard, is a superior individual defender to Draymond Green. Green is very good as a multi-positional defender, but he doesn't have the sheer athleticism to lock down the way Leonard or Simmons can. Where Green shines is essentially as a defensive coordinator on the court--his genius lies in sniffing out plays ahead of time, knowing where his teammates should be two steps ahead and directing them there when necessary. Simmons (and really no other current player) has shown that particular genius and that's really what a team like Minnesota needs more than a great individual defender. But still, they could use a great individual defender who can plug any single hole at need, they have other scorers and Simmons doesn't really get in the way of Russell or Towns, the way he struggled to fit optimally alongside Embiid.

Simmons, Mr. Nightlife in Minnesota. Way too cold to be roaming the streets in the winter.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I will say that Simmons fits pretty well in Minnesota. They have score first guards (though, presumably they'd have to give up Anthony Edwards in the trade)

I don't think MN will give up Edwards. I think he will eventually be the best player to come out of that draft and he will be a good two-way player. I don't know who they would give up. Probably Russel before Edwards.

 

[illmatic99]

Ah found the insider/rumor stuff that had the Simmons stuff. Apparently he's a dude on the Hawks' forum who is connected and called stuff before:

https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/432784-2020-21-the-current-ask-supes/page/92/#comments

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think MN will give up Edwards. I think he will eventually be the best player to come out of that draft and he will be a good two-way player. I don't know who they would give up. Probably Russel before Edwards.

I don't think Philadelphia would settle for Russell. And Minnesota seems to value Russell more than most teams, especially since he and Towns are BFFs. So I think it depends on how much Minnesota wants Simmons--I think Edwards will be a requirement.

 

[HailBlazers]

Ah found the insider/rumor stuff that had the Simmons stuff. Apparently he's a dude on the Hawks' forum who is connected and called stuff before:

https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/432784-2020-21-the-current-ask-supes/page/92/#comments

Your sleuthing skills are unrivalled.

 

[illmatic99]

Your sleuthing skills are unrivalled.

i need a blog. the "true" truehoop aggregating all rumors. Can do my own version of By Ben Golliver.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Ah found the insider/rumor stuff that had the Simmons stuff. Apparently he's a dude on the Hawks' forum who is connected and called stuff before:

https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/432784-2020-21-the-current-ask-supes/page/92/#comments

Great find, man.

 

[B-Roy]

Sacramento had an offer #9/Barnes/Haliburton available for Ben Simmons which was declined by PHI. SAC was the most aggressive on the Ben Simmons front.

No idea how we're supposed to beat this with CJ.

 

[illmatic99]

No idea how we're supposed to beat this with CJ.

that is an aggressive offer, especially considering who they could have landed at 9. morey is an idiot.

 

[Natebishop3]

No idea how we're supposed to beat this with CJ.

that is an aggressive offer, especially considering who they could have landed at 9. morey is an idiot.

The problem is that, while those pieces would make Philly a better team in the long run, it does nothing for their short term window. How much longer will Embiid be at this level? Big men don't usually have long primes. Adding a bunch of rookies doesn't get them closer to a championship right now.

Morey wants Dame. He needs someone like Dame to put them over the top. I'm not even sure CJ would really help them that much.

 

[B-Roy]

TOR had the most hilarious offer. FVV/OG/2022 protected 1st for Simmons. They see Simmons as fine in his current role as a PG. They are fine with him the way he is. PHI declined but one can't help but laugh at a Simmons/Trent Jr/Barnes/Siakam/Borcher lineup. BK has been revived!

We can't beat this offer either. Did Philly really turn this down??? I would have taken this 10/10 times.

 

[Natebishop3]

We can't beat this offer either. Did Philly really turn this down??? I would have taken this 10/10 times.

Morey wants Dame. It's unrealistic but that's what he wants.

But if these offers are true, we ain't getting him for CJ.

 

[illmatic99]

Morey wants Dame. It's unrealistic but that's what he wants.

But if these offers are true, we ain't getting him for CJ.

It was never going to be CJ alone. It was CJ + picks + pickswaps. I still think he's a better singular piece than any others supposedly mentioned (FVV/OG/Haliburton/Barnes/Cam/etc).

Brogdan is the only one who comes close to being the kind of perfect fit CJ would be in Philly.

 

[Natebishop3]

It was never going to be CJ alone. It was CJ + picks + pickswaps. I still think he's a better singular piece than any others supposedly mentioned (FVV/OG/Haliburton/Barnes/Cam/etc).

Brogdan is the only one who comes close to being the kind of perfect fit CJ would be in Philly.

I agree, but I'm not sure we can match the overall value of some of those offers. Philly needs someone like CJ because they need to win now, but I just don't know...

 

[illmatic99]

I agree, but I'm not sure we can match the overall value of some of those offers. Philly needs someone like CJ because they need to win now, but I just don't know...

He gives them EXACTLY what they need. I think they would be right up there with BK and MIL in the ECFs if healthy.

CJ
Green
Thybulle
Harris
Embiid

with Curry as the 6th man is a ridiculous mix of skills/shooting/defense. While CJ doesn't have the raw trade value that Ben does, the fit is absolutely more ideal.

 

[dviss1]

This is the forum clamoring for the Prima donna:

 

[blazerkor]

Been saying Minn or Sac all along.

I just don't think either team has the win now pieces that CJ would be for the Sixers. So if Neil is willing to part with CJ+ I still see that being the package Morey will want once he finally lets it sink in that Dame isn't available on the timetable the Sixers are being forced into. All of the rumors about these teams and others have those teams needing a third team that has the actual pieces the Sixers want. So we'll see but if we want Simmons, I think he can be had without giving up more starters than CJ.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I just don't think either team has the win now pieces that CJ would be for the Sixers. So if Neil is willing to part with CJ+ I still see that being the package Morey will want once he finally lets it sink in that Dame isn't available on the timetable the Sixers are being forced into. All of the rumors about these teams and others have those teams needing a third team that has the actual pieces the Sixers want. So we'll see but if we want Simmons, I think he can be had without giving up more starters than CJ.

That FVV/OG package TOR supposedly offered is (IMO) better for Philly than what CJ would be, even in terms of "win-now" value.

 

[blazerkor]

This is the forum clamoring for the Prima donna:

Yeah the "Prima donna" that I'd love for you to furnish a quote from that makes him look like one. I mean, you're getting that narrative from a local Bay Area sports talk guy. It wasn't even a report. If you have some other info that supports your contention that Simmons is some kind of diva please let us in on it.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah the "Prima donna" that I'd love for you to furnish a quote from that makes him look like one. I mean, you're getting that narrative from a local Bay Area sports talk guy. It wasn't even a report. If you have some other info that supports your contention that Simmons is some kind of diva please let us in on it.

he cut off all talks with his team and crawled in a corner and pouted.
A winner faces the media and tells them he has issues and vows to work on his weaknesses over the summer.
Lets be real here.
Dude totally curled into a ball over the pressure.

 

[blazerkor]

That FVV/OG package TOR supposedly offered is (IMO) better for Philly than what CJ would be, even in terms of "win-now" value.

Yeah FVV and OG would be great but I don't know if I believe that's been offered, especially with the fourth pick. That sounds like a rumor Morey's office let out. If that's out there though, I don't see us beating it even though CJ is the best fit of any individual player that seems to be available.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yeah FVV and OG would be great but I don't know if I believe that's been offered, especially with the fourth pick. That sounds like a rumor Morey's office let out. If that's out there though, I don't see us beating it even though CJ is the best fit of any individual player that seems to be available.

According to the most recent rumor, it was FVV/OG/(prot) 2022 FRP--#4 not involved.

A lineup with Simmons/Trent/Barnes/Siakam/Boucher would be pretty insane.

 

[blazerkor]

According to the most recent rumor, it was FVV/OG/(prot) 2022 FRP--#4 not involved.

A lineup with Simmons/Trent/Barnes/Siakam/Boucher would be pretty insane.

I agree that would be pretty nice for Toronto and FVV and OG do make the Sixers better. If we went CJ plus every draft asset we can push to Philly I think that would have more value and CJ is enough to make Philly almost as good as FVV and OG do right now because he is the better fit as an individual. I don't know if Neil would do that or if Blazers fans would want to. I put a very high value just on what Simmons has shown and even more value on what he could be, so I'd want to give whatever it took in terms of CJ and what won't contribute to us winning more in the near future.