Trade Ben Simmons poll (1 Viewer)

[blazerkor]

Replacing one of the worst defenders in the league in CJ with a top 5 defender in Simmons seems like a no-brainer to me. Yet people like to focus on Ben's shooting and ignore the other end altogether. And Simmons is still an elite shot creator even if he can't shoot. I dunno, I've been on this dude for three years now as potentially one of the best fits for our team. We realistically shouldn't even have a puncher's chance at acquiring him without giving up Dame. To see people be so dismissive of his skill is eye opening.

Yeah, I've thought that because of all of the "true centers" they drafted that the Sixers have misused Simmons from day one. I think being on a team with Dame where he's clearly not the point guard and has a Giannis type of role will get Giannis type of numbers out of him. The guy is the second freakiest athletic big man in the game and the gap isn't that big, plus he handles and passes the ball better. According to reports out of practice he shoots the ball better than Giannis too but that doesn't need to be pushed right away for him to have a giant impact on this team.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Simmons just needs to... work. He's a career 60% FT shooter, he even shot 71% in the playoffs on 6 attempts a game his rookie year, so he's clearly capable. I think he got the yips this year

Yes, he clearly did. But that's pretty serious: a fair number of players never come BACK from the yips. Remember Nick Anderson?

 

[illmatic99]

Yeah, I've thought that because of all of the "true centers" they drafted that the Sixers have misused Simmons from day one. I think being on a team with Dame where he's clearly not the point guard and has a Giannis type of role will get Giannis type of numbers out of him. The guy is the second freakiest athletic big man in the game and the gap isn't that big, plus he handles and passes the ball better. According to reports out of practice he shoots the ball better than Giannis too but that doesn't need to be pushed right away for him to have a giant impact on this team.

While I love the potential of Simmons in a different system, Giannis is built differently, especially mentally. He works out like a monster and isn't afraid of failing on TV. The dude airballs consecutive FTs and goes right back to the rim to shoot two more the next possession. Simmons is mentally far weaker and cares way too much about how he looks. I don't think the two are comparable for that reason alone. But I fully agree that he is horribly miscast as a full time PG and that he would flourish as a roll guy/ finisher with Dame. Can't think of a more synergistic pairing for both Dame/Ben than each other, tbh.

 

[calvin natt]

he's also a perennial DPOY candidate. I wonder if Utah fans say this kinda stuff about Gobert.

Gobert also isn’t a playmaker who you can’t have handling the ball late in games because of fouls. He doesn’t seem to have mental issues about shooting from the rim. He scores the same amount, rebounds more, blocks more, led league in FG%. Bigs always get a pass for not being primary scorers in 2021. Ben is “big” but he’s essentially point forward who handles the ball and creates for others. He’s good at it but he and Rudy will be judged differently

 

[illmatic99]

Gobert also isn’t a playmaker who you can’t have handling the ball late in games because of fouls. He doesn’t seem to have mental issues about shooting from the rim. He scores the same amount, rebounds more, blocks more, led league in FG%. Bigs always get a pass for not being primary scorers in 2021. Ben is “big” but he’s essentially point forward who handles the ball and creates for others. He’s good at it but he and Rudy will be judged differently

I see this as a positive. Having a 6'10 forward with elite shot creation ability and can defend at the point of attack seems like a terrific skillset to add next to Dame.

 

[Natebishop3]

People forget how great CJ was against Denver in 2019.

How long is this dude gonna live off one good series? He has been in the playoffs 8 times!

 

[calvin natt]

I see this as a positive. Having a 6'10 forward with elite shot creation ability and can defend at the point of attack seems like a terrific skillset to add next to Dame.

It’s a huge positive unless the game is close and over 2 mins and they foul him.

 

[e_blazer]

Just want to make sure all the CJ haters who complain about “playoff CJ” are aware of “playoff Ben”. Simmons is a very talented guy who makes an impact on the game no doubt. One of the more exciting things if he were to ever come here would be the colossal meltdowns the game threads would have when he can’t make FTs during hack-a-Ben games that’s for sure

True, and I know who I’d cheat off of when I wanted to double Dame.

 

[illmatic99]

It’s a huge positive unless the game is close and over 2 mins and they foul him.

if he can consistently get to 70%, this would not be a problem. That's on him to work on it, but the risk (trading CJ) here is minimal compared to the potential reward.

 

[blazerkor]

The best player available for the Sixers is CJ, with Dame and Beal off the board. Halliburton is cool and even has some upside but CJ is the perimeter scorer and ball handler they need to win now. So, I think they get CJ for Simmons and both teams are better because of it.

 

[illmatic99]

It's going to be GS, and I'm going to be pissed as hell. The fit with Draymond is iffy and I don't see them trading Green for Simmons. I also predict that we'll see reports of Neil unwilling to give up CJ that will drive me up a wall.

GS has their three young guys in Kuminga/Moody/Wiseman who are horribly miscast on a team that is ready to win now. All their stars have already been clamoring to trade those guys for win-now players and I think the team will get it done.

 

[tykendo]

I agree that both teams win in this. Redemption is a sweet thing, and Simmons could really rewrite his future along side Dame. CJ, IMO, would flourish in Philly. As the main distributor, and, go to in the clutch shooter, he'd have a chance to build his brand & become an All Star in the East.

 

[blazerkor]

It's going to be GS, and I'm going to be pissed as hell. The fit with Draymond is iffy and I don't see them trading Green for Simmons. I also predict that we'll see reports of Neil unwilling to give up CJ that will drive me up a wall.

GS has their three young guys in Kuminga/Moody/Wiseman who are horribly miscast on a team that is ready to win now. All their stars have already been clamoring to trade those guys for win-now players and I think the team will get it done.

I think Philly wants a win now guy... so I just don't see GS having the package to pull off the deal. They can't do better than CJ and I have to believe that CJ is available for a freak like Simmons.

 

[illmatic99]

I think Philly wants a win now guy... so I just don't see GS having the package to pull off the deal. They can't do better than CJ and I have to believe that CJ is available for a freak like Simmons.

I'm thinking from the context of Philly acquiring young assets in hopes of a potential Dame/Beal trade later. Morey seems adamant in pursuing Lillard (foolishly) and this situation with Ben is becoming untenable, so he will flip him for equal value assets even if they aren't win-now pieces.

 

[blazerkor]

I'm thinking from the context of Philly acquiring young assets in hopes of a potential Dame/Beal trade later. Morey seems adamant in pursuing Lillard (foolishly) and this situation with Ben is becoming untenable, so he will flip him for equal value assets even if they aren't win-now pieces.

That's fair enough, I guess. I just think they'll take a win now piece because they had the best record in the East last season. So if they get better now maybe they get a chip.

 

[tykendo]

I'm thinking from the context of Philly acquiring young assets in hopes of a potential Dame/Beal trade later. Morey seems adamant in pursuing Lillard (foolishly) and this situation with Ben is becoming untenable, so he will flip him for equal value assets even if they aren't win-now pieces.

I'm not sure Morey has time to wait. Embiid's knee is a serious question mark. He had luck on his side last year with 2 situations that looked like ACL tears, and ended up being strains. He's almost too big for the type of moves he likes to do. His body just doesn't seem to be able to take the stress.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

He's been amazing in basically all but one series. People's myopic focus on the Hawks series boggles the mind.

It shouldn't. Consider this: Kanter was a low paid reserve who had to step in and start for a good chunk of the season. He gave us solid production and helped the team make the play-offs. He then had a bad series against Denver and now many fans are happy we replaced him with (snicker) Zeller.

It seems reasonable that fans would have higher expectations for Simmons than for Kanter! Of course, the real issue is that Simmons can't deal with those high expectations.

 

[BBert]

I’d go for the beret instead of the Stetson.

more fiber

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'm not sure Morey has time to wait. Embiid's knee is a serious question mark. He had luck on his side last year with 2 situations that looked like ACL tears, and ended up being strains. He's almost too big for the type of moves he likes to do. His body just doesn't seem to be able to take the stress.

How many years did Philly intentionally tank for this roster? 7 years? They need Embiid to stay healthy and get something for Simmons.

 

[Idog1976]

True, and I know who I’d cheat off of when I wanted to double Dame.

Then he slashes to the hole and you give up a dunk.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Yes, he clearly did. But that's pretty serious: a fair number of players never come BACK from the yips. Remember Nick Anderson?


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[PtldPlatypus]

It shouldn't. Consider this: Kanter was a low paid reserve who had to step in and start for a good chunk of the season. He gave us solid production and helped the team make the play-offs. He then had a bad series against Denver and now many fans are happy we replaced him with (snicker) Zeller.

It seems reasonable that fans would have higher expectations for Simmons than for Kanter! Of course, the real issue is that Simmons can't deal with those high expectations.

Fans were lamenting Kanter's defensive deficiencies all season. And snickering at Zeller as our backup C says more about the scoffer than it does about his ability to ably fill that role.

 

[RR7]

Gobert also isn’t a playmaker who you can’t have handling the ball late in games because of fouls. He doesn’t seem to have mental issues about shooting from the rim. He scores the same amount, rebounds more, blocks more, led league in FG%. Bigs always get a pass for not being primary scorers in 2021. Ben is “big” but he’s essentially point forward who handles the ball and creates for others. He’s good at it but he and Rudy will be judged differently

And Utah lost 4 straight as the #1 seed, to a team missing their best player the last 2 games of that series, in no small part because the Clippers went small and made Utah struggle with Gobert out there chasing around Batum and the likes.
Gobert had a DRTG of 115, and then 97 in their two wins. Then the Clippers went small, and he posted a 137, 129, 130, and then closed out the series with a 146!
He had 2 total blocks in those last 4 games.

118, 134, 128, 110, 129, 136 are the DRTGs for CJ in our Denver series. When our defense sucked, and he sucked. And yet the DPOY, the anchor of their defense had 2 games worse than anything CJ put up ratings wise. We can blame it on his teammates, but he anchors that D and makes it go. But he got gameplanned for, and effectively removed from the game, even if he was still actually playing. In the clinching game, he was a -24 in a game they lost by 12, and he played in 42 minutes!

 

[blazerkor]

It shouldn't. Consider this: Kanter was a low paid reserve who had to step in and start for a good chunk of the season. He gave us solid production and helped the team make the play-offs. He then had a bad series against Denver and now many fans are happy we replaced him with (snicker) Zeller.

It seems reasonable that fans would have higher expectations for Simmons than for Kanter! Of course, the real issue is that Simmons can't deal with those high expectations.

You can't compare Enes Kanter to a three time all star, two time all defensive team and one time all nba third team guy who is 25... it's just the weakest comparison. Kanter is always living on the edge of a guy who is unplayable or a specialist role player... he's been that his entire career.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You can't compare Enes Kanter to a three time all star, two time all defensive team and one time all nba third team guy who is 25... it's just the weakest comparison. Kanter is always living on the edge of a guy who is unplayable or a specialist role player... he's been that his entire career.

What are you talking about? The "can't play Kanter" moniker never existed prior to the 2021 playoffs.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

NY Knicks

 

[illmatic99]

It shouldn't. Consider this: Kanter was a low paid reserve who had to step in and start for a good chunk of the season. He gave us solid production and helped the team make the play-offs. He then had a bad series against Denver and now many fans are happy we replaced him with (snicker) Zeller.

It seems reasonable that fans would have higher expectations for Simmons than for Kanter! Of course, the real issue is that Simmons can't deal with those high expectations.

First of all, that is a ridiculous comparison, come on.

Second, if Simmons were 100% fine mentally and didn't have to work through his issues, he would have top 10 value in the league for trades and unavailable to us. No one is saying Simmons is the end all be all to put our team into immediate contention. We are simply saying he's a guy who has a ridiculously high ceiling if things work out, and given our middling situation right now, we should be taking that minimal risk to see if he can work out.

So imagine we get to the playoffs, Simmons gets game planned out and we lose in round 2. How is that any worse than where we are now? I really don't see any downsides. Does anyone (maybe outside of Olshey) think this roster as constructed can do much better?

 

[blazerkor]

What are you talking about? The "can't play Kanter" moniker never existed prior to the 2021 playoffs.

I don't know what red writing means but I overstated. Enes is a very flawed specialist that could start at times but not consistently and was being compared to an all nba player... that's still about as bad of a comparison as can be made.

 

[blazerkor]

NY Knicks

Who do the Knicks have that fit the Sixers and their need to win now?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Who do the Knicks have that fit the Sixers and their need to win now?

Randle?