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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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julius said:
Only if Damian came out and demanded a trade.
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This is the trade in question

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: G Bradley Beal
Washington Wizards Receive: G CJ McCollum, G Anfernee Simons, F Nasir Little, 2022 First-Round Pick, 2023 First-Round Pick Swap, 2024 First-Round Pick

I would not do this. I don't like Beal's fit with Dame and Norm any more than I like CJ's... Beal is just better at what CJ does. We need a forward not another guard... especially if we were giving up CJ, Ant, Nas, 2 firsts and a swap. (just a side note... we don't have a 2022 first round pick).
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Not sure if this is relevant to Simmons but:
How has the talent level progressed in the NBA? Rick Carlisle: The game has evolved to where the skill of shooting is so decisively important. If you can’t shoot, it’s very hard to be a high-level player in today’s game. The next phase of NBA basketball is going to be the centers shooting 3’s and driving the ball and making plays. Guys like [Kristaps] Porzingis are already doing it. Guys like Anthony Davis are already doing it. We’ve got [Domantas] Sabonis, who is a playmaking big, who’s working on his long-range shooting. That opens up so many possibilities for any player in this league.
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He said shooting and playmaking. Ben is a 6'11 dude averaging 8 assists a game for his career and is an elite playmaker
 
Idog1976 said:
They lost in the ECF to the eventual champs in an insane game 7 Kawhi multi-bounce buzzer beater a few seasons ago (edit: it was the Semis, but they took the champs to 7 games)? They also were the #1 seed just last season. Compare to us lucking our way into the WCF via key injuries only to get monkey hammered by the Warriors.
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Lucking our way? OKC and Denver were both fully healthy. OKC was 4-0 vs us and Denver had HCA. No luck about it.
 
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KSF-ERIC said:
Licking our way? OKC and Denver were both fully healthy. OKC was 4-0 vs us and Denver had HCA. No luck about it.
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IDog likes to forget the Blazers were without Beast Mode Nurk. He does that ALL the time. Then he will put his favorite "rolling eyes" picture with his rebuttal. There was no luck involved, just Dame being Dame, and some nice role player contributions.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Beal is overrated as a mother fucker. He's not that much better than CJ, while being more injury prone.
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the biggest difference is FTA. It used to be 3pt attempts but CJ started getting up more threes last year.

But the last step in CJ's offensive efficiency is drawing more free throws. With his 3pt% and FG% his true shooting needs to be a lot higher than it is, and i think it comes down to driving more and trying to finish at the rim instead of settling for midrange jumpers while shading away from contact.
 
illmatic99 said:
the biggest difference is FTA. It used to be 3pt attempts but CJ started getting up more threes last year.

But the last step in CJ's offensive efficiency is drawing more free throws. With his 3pt% and FG% his true shooting needs to be a lot higher than it is, and i think it comes down to driving more and trying to finish at the rim instead of settling for midrange jumpers while shading away from contact.
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not sure you can count on him increasing his FT rate much, especially if he's shooting more three's and trying to pass more

his FT rates over his career:

2013-14 .191
2014-15 .200
2015-16 .158
2016-17 .204
2017-18 .166
2018-19 .154
2019-20 .136
2020-21 .150
 
wizenheimer said:
that was the semi's when they lost to Toronto

but your overall point is fine. Since the 76ers made it back to the playoffs in 2018, their playoff record is 20-19. In the same period, Portland's playoff record is 11-20; which coincidentally is half of their 22-40 record in the Stolshey era. Any Blazer fan bragging about a .354 playoff winning percentage over an 8 years period should go stand in the corner wearing a pointy hat
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I’d rather be the Blazers over the last 9 years than the Sixers. Don’t forget all the years Sixers didn’t make it to playoffs. And they still couldn’t get to ECF. I’ll take the Blazers 2019 playoffs over any of the Sixers playoffs. No one bragged about the Blazers playoff winning percentage by the way.
 
tykendo said:
IDog likes to forget the Blazers were without Beast Mode Nurk. He does that ALL the time. Then he will put his favorite "rolling eyes" picture with his rebuttal. There was no luck involved, just Dame being Dame, and some nice role player contributions.
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And CJ owning the Nuggets.
 
Idog1976 said:
They lost in the ECF to the eventual champs in an insane game 7 Kawhi multi-bounce buzzer beater a few seasons ago (edit: it was the Semis, but they took the champs to 7 games)? They also were the #1 seed just last season. Compare to us lucking our way into the WCF via key injuries only to get monkey hammered by the Warriors.
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Actually winning a game 7 in the second round on the road is a lot more than nearly winning a game 7 in the second round.
 
tykendo said:
IDog likes to forget the Blazers were without Beast Mode Nurk. He does that ALL the time. Then he will put his favorite "rolling eyes" picture with his rebuttal. There was no luck involved, just Dame being Dame, and some nice role player contributions.
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The Sixers were better last year than we have been since Aldridge was here. We got lucky matchups and then had an Epic and amazing series vs Denver. Really it was CJ, Kanter and Hood having that marvelous Quad Overtime performance against a gassed Denver. We had a great run that year, the Sixers were better most of the last few seasons than we have been since Aldridge, that was the point. We've been without Beastmode Nurk for quite some time, including times we've had a perfectly healthy Nurk.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Actually winning a game 7 in the second round on the road is a lot more than nearly winning a game 7 in the second round.
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Sixers lost to the eventual champs in 7 games due to a buzzer beater. We lost by an old-fashioned whuppin to eventual champs GSW. Night and Day. Sixers were better that year and last. We must trade CJ to get better, I can't believe this is still a point of contention.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I’d rather be the Blazers over the last 9 years than the Sixers. Don’t forget all the years Sixers didn’t make it to playoffs. And they still couldn’t get to ECF. I’ll take the Blazers 2019 playoffs over any of the Sixers playoffs. No one bragged about the Blazers playoff winning percentage by the way.
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but a large part of the discussion was about Philly's strategy of tanking to build a team. The Philly team hat resulted from that has done better than the Blazers in the same period of time
 
wizenheimer said:
but a large part of the discussion was about Philly's strategy of tanking to build a team. The Philly team hat resulted from that has done better than the Blazers in the same period of time
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So your saying the Blazers built a team about as good as the multi year tanking process of Philly, without all the years of losing?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
So your saying the Blazers built a team about as good as the multi year tanking process of Philly, without all the years of losing?
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that's one way to put it. Another way is that Portland has 22 playoff wins in 8 seasons. Philly has 20 playoff wins in 4 seasons. In the 4 seasons that Philly has those 20 playoff wins, Portland has 11
 
wizenheimer said:
that's one way to put it. Another way is that Portland has 22 playoff wins in 8 seasons. Philly has 20 playoff wins in 4 seasons. In the 4 seasons that Philly has those 20 playoff wins, Portland has 11
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And they have two All-stars/All-NBA players under 28 years of age.
 
Idog1976 said:
The Sixers were better last year than we have been since Aldridge was here. We got lucky matchups and then had an Epic and amazing series vs Denver. Really it was CJ, Kanter and Hood having that marvelous Quad Overtime performance against a gassed Denver. We had a great run that year, the Sixers were better most of the last few seasons than we have been since Aldridge, that was the point. We've been without Beastmode Nurk for quite some time, including times we've had a perfectly healthy Nurk.
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Sixers had an extremely disappointing year last season. Who cares if you’re the 1 seed if you can’t get to ECF? Also- Sixers were swept in first round in 2020. How was OKC a lucky matchup in 2019? They were 4-0 against us in regular season.

Here’s the thing. The Sixers are fine but you want better than fine after The Process. They started the tank by trading Jrue Holiday. Many seasons later, Holiday has a ring and the Sixers don’t have a conference final. All they have to show for all that tanking is a fragile Embiid and a guy who can’t net them CJ McCollum in a trade. That’s it. If the Sixers had held on to Jrue and never tanked, they probably could’ve built a team that could make it to second round and their fans wouldn’t have to watch 5 years of losing to get there. The Process was a failure.
 
Idog1976 said:
And they have two All-stars/All-NBA players under 28 years of age.
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Not any more they don't. One of them is either on his way out or will sulk his way to the trade deadline.
The other has a knee that seems to want to bend both ways.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Sixers had an extremely disappointing year last season. Who cares if you’re the 1 seed if you can’t get to ECF? Also- Sixers were swept in first round in 2020. How was OKC a lucky matchup in 2019? They were 4-0 against us in regular season.

Here’s the thing. The Sixers are fine but you want better than fine after The Process. They started the tank by trading Jrue Holiday. Many seasons later, Holiday has a ring and the Sixers don’t have a conference final. All they have to show for all that tanking is a fragile Embiid and a guy who can’t net them CJ McCollum in a trade. That’s it. If the Sixers had held on to Jrue and never tanked, they probably could’ve built a team that could make it to second round and their fans wouldn’t have to watch 5 years of losing to get there. The Process was a failure.
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He's not wrong, you know.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Sixers had an extremely disappointing year last season. Who cares if you’re the 1 seed if you can’t get to ECF? Also- Sixers were swept in first round in 2020. How was OKC a lucky matchup in 2019? They were 4-0 against us in regular season.

Here’s the thing. The Sixers are fine but you want better than fine after The Process. They started the tank by trading Jrue Holiday. Many seasons later, Holiday has a ring and the Sixers don’t have a conference final. All they have to show for all that tanking is a fragile Embiid and a guy who can’t net them CJ McCollum in a trade. That’s it. If the Sixers had held on to Jrue and never tanked, they probably could’ve built a team that could make it to second round and their fans wouldn’t have to watch 5 years of losing to get there. The Process was a failure.
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I think that's reasonable, however, I think the Sixers post-Hinkie who started the process, have made some mega errors such as letting Butler go. I also think that they didn't let the guy who started it finish the Process and instead had a new guy come in who whiffed on drafts.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Here’s the thing. The Sixers are fine but you want better than fine after The Process. They started the tank by trading Jrue Holiday.
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For Nerlens Noel, no less. An injured Nerlens Noel.

KSF-ERIC said:
Many seasons later, Holiday has a ring
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Ah, but only after he'd been traded to a different team. The Pels are even further away from a ring.

KSF-ERIC said:
and the Sixers don’t have a conference final.
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I thought the Raptors series that the Sixers only lost on the fourth bounce of Kawhi's shot was ECF? And basically they were thisclose to beating the eventual champions - not too shabby.

KSF-ERIC said:
All they have to show for all that tanking is a fragile Embiid and a guy who can’t net them CJ McCollum in a trade.
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Jesus, I WISH we had "fragile" Embiid. And you have no idea who's been offered for Simmons. For all you know CJ has been offered and rejected.

The Sixers went wrong when they hired Colangelo and wronger when they hired Elton Brand. Not saying they shouldn't've fired Hinkie, but to deny he gave them a championship-level foundation is silly.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Even if it meant 5 straight years of losing to get him? Even if it meant he’d miss his first two seasons and more than half of his third season with injuries?
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Do you WANT to be a contender or not? Embiid is as close as it gets to Shaq in the modern game. Dame is great, but he alone does not make you a contender.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Do you WANT to be a contender or not? Embiid is as close as it gets to Shaq in the modern game. Dame is great, but he alone does not make you a contender.
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Either does Embiid. It took Pippen for the Bulls to become contenders. NO ONE DOES IT ALONE.
 
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