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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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Idog1976 said:
Sixers are absolutely fucking delusional if they think we would give them Dame after they tried to play Chicken on which Star wants out first. If Olshey is the holdup...well you know my feelings on that. I'd trade any one in a reasonable configuration not named Lillard for Simmons. Meaning no more than two starters or a Starter a young guy and picks.

Interesting all the attention Blazers players have on the Simmons situation. What about CJ and RoCo do either of them follow him? I could see RoCo following him from back in the day. CJ seems interestingly absent from the interactions with Simmons. That's a hopeful sign as in he might know he would be the one being traded rather than some other package. The fact Nurk and Dame's cousin is paying close attention is very, VERY interesting especially given Nurk is a Klutch client and isn't savvy at all about IG because he gives precisely zero fucks.
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cj is the pres of the players union. i wouldn't pay much credence to who he follows/what he likes. roco and ben were teammates, so not much there. however, i'm just reading way too much ben to portland noise on twitter from accounts that our players or league personnel follow. And the sportsbooks clearly show how the majority thinks about his next destination.

May be nothing, but it's the last week of the offseason, and i've been on this ben stuff for so long now that i'm desperate for news.

(also it's hilarious that this simmons "update" today from Woj is taking off on social, when it was already reported by multiple sources both in Philly and by guys like Marc Stein yesterday. shows just how much he's separated himself from all other NBA twitter personalities).
 
Only an idiot would ask for Dame and offer Simmons in exchange. A bigger idiot would do it. Dame is so much more than just his stats. He is a true assassin on the court, as we have seen. The heart of a fucking lion. In terms of killer instinct he is up there with Durrant, Curry, and Lebron. He destroyed the entire OKC team with one shot, a team that has since been in "rebuild mode" and is just acquiring picks it seems.

I get it. Philly has no real leader on the team. Embiid is not the guy, clearly, to lead a team. Same with Luka, Jokic, etc. All great great players, but they don't have that extra something special, at least yet anyways. Like any player of his caliber Dame just needs an excellent duo around him to go all the way. Simmons is the antithesis of a leader.
 
tester551 said:
If I'm reading this right, the fine for missing a game is 1/145 of his salary (for <20 games) and 1/110 for >20 games.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q107
If this is the case, then Ben would still be able to collect ~25% of his salary even if he sits out the entire year.
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but, training camp starts Sept 28, and that pay date is Oct 1. If Simmons doesn't report o the 28th, I'd imagine Philly would have legal justification for withholding that 25% by claiming Simmons is in breach of his contract
 
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Cugel said:
Only an idiot would ask for Dame and offer Simmons in exchange. A bigger idiot would do it. Dame is so much more than just his stats. He is a true assassin on the court, as we have seen. The heart of a fucking lion. In terms of killer instinct he is up there with Durrant, Curry, and Lebron. He destroyed the entire OKC team with one shot, a team that has since been in "rebuild mode" and is just acquiring picks it seems.

I get it. Philly has no real leader on the team. Embiid is not the guy, clearly, to lead a team. Same with Luka, Jokic, etc. All great great players, but they don't have that extra something special, at least yet anyways. Like any player of his caliber Dame just needs an excellent duo around him to go all the way. Simmons is the antithesis of a leader.
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CJ could really be that leader for them and as Simmons' value further tanks, I think Morey would be smart to offer Simmons and a first for CJ. It makes Philly better than they were last season right away, it gets rid of the Simmons fiasco and it incentivizes Neil to get the deal done and feel like he won; even if Neil isn't sure the fit is ideal. The situation gets even murkier for Morey if Simmons actually starts to sit out regular season games.
 
wizenheimer said:
but, training camp starts Sept 28, and that pay date is Oct 1. If Simmons doesn't report o the 28th, I'd imaging Philly would have legal justification for withholding that 25% by claiming Simmons is in breach of his contract
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Yeah, we'll see if Simmons is bluffing and if he's not, the Sixers are fucked.
 
Maybe they fire Rivers to keep Simmons? He was the one that really through him under the bus. Lot easier to replace a coach. Morey knows how to do that!
 
wizenheimer said:
but, training camp starts Sept 28, and that pay date is Oct 1. If Simmons doesn't report o the 28th, I'd imagine Philly would have legal justification for withholding that 25% by claiming Simmons is in breach of his contract
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Simmons would not be breaching the contract. The CBA (thus the contract) outlines what happens when a player fails to report. Think of it as a 'remedy' written into the contract. They could fine him for missing practices (~$5,000 per session) and for missing games. So the Team could withhold a few thousand dollars for the fine. However, if they don't pay by Oct 1 - then Philly would be the ones breaching contract.
 
tester551 said:
Simmons would not be breaching the contract. The CBA (thus the contract) outlines what happens when a player fails to report. Think of it as a 'remedy' written into the contract. They could fine him for missing practices (~$5,000 per session) and for missing games. So the Team could withhold a few thousand dollars for the fine. However, if they don't pay by Oct 1 - then Philly would be the ones breaching contract.
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ok, thanks

Simmons getting 8M would take some of the pain away from him refusing to report

I wonder if that 8M is a locked amount, of if the 76ers can deduct what they have paid Simmons for August. If he has already had a couple of paychecks totaling 2-3M, would that mean he'd get 8M on top of that?
 
illmatic99 said:
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Exactly. If Simmons goes to GSW all the detractors on the board will see exactly how terribly, horribly wrong they are as GSW become a #1-2 seed in the West. Curry playing at MVP level, with Kerr coaching Simmons would be a nightmare and we would regret not making the move 3 games a season and would also weep bitterly as GSW vaults to the WCF and maybe the Finals.

All the folks saying Dame is the best leader in sports etc. are exactly correct. What baffles me is they think Simmons is such a headcase that not even the best Leader in sports can inspire him. Amazing and all based on one series, which was run by maybe the most overrated, secretly bad coach in the NBA, and also a guy I consider to be among the most toxic in the League in Embiid.

The other comment is if the Blazers do land Simmons for CJ + at MOST (and I'd prefer almost any other non-Lillard trade) RoCo, or CJ plus Little and maybe a pick, the Simmons detractors will be amazed as we become a top 3 seed in the West and very possibly make the WCF and maybe the Finals.
 
Idog1976 said:
Exactly. If Simmons goes to GSW all the detractors on the board will see exactly how terribly, horribly wrong they are as GSW become a #1-2 seed in the West. Curry playing at MVP level, with Kerr coaching Simmons would be a nightmare and we would regret not making the move 3 games a season and would also weep bitterly as GSW vaults to the WCF and maybe the Finals.

All the folks saying Dame is the best leader in sports etc. are exactly correct. What baffles me is they think Simmons is such a headcase that not even the best Leader in sports can inspire him. Amazing and all based on one series, which was run by maybe the most overrated, secretly bad coach in the NBA, and also a guy I consider to be among the most toxic in the League in Embiid.

The other comment is if the Blazers do land Simmons for CJ + at MOST (and I'd prefer almost any other non-Lillard trade) RoCo, or CJ plus Little and maybe a pick, the Simmons detractors will be amazed as we become a top 3 seed in the West and very possibly make the WCF and maybe the Finals.
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Its odd how you make it sounds absolutely certain Simmons for CJ and other assets would improve the Blazers.

Maybe we trade for Simmons, the team sucks, Dame demands a trade, Simmons demands a California team, and we spend the next decade as the TWolves.

Maybe having CJ Dame Nurk all healthy for their first full season and playoffs will get the Blazers farther than when they went to the WCF without Nurk.

I get that some people are in favor of trading for Simmons and they well could be right its improves the team, but its nowhere close to a sure thing.
 
Hoopguru said:
Maybe they fire Rivers to keep Simmons? He was the one that really through him under the bus. Lot easier to replace a coach. Morey knows how to do that!
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Rivers spent the entire season going out of his way to praise Simmons and pump up his confidence in his shooting. He makes one honest ( and pretty mild) critical comment - and that equates to throwing him under the bus?

If that is enough to cause a meltdown, there is not one coach in the league Simmons will be able to co-exist with.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Its odd how you make it sounds absolutely certain Simmons for CJ and other assets would improve the Blazers.

Maybe we trade for Simmons, the team sucks, Dame demands a trade, Simmons demands a California team, and we spend the next decade as the TWolves.

Maybe having CJ Dame Nurk all healthy for their first full season and playoffs will get the Blazers farther than when they went to the WCF without Nurk.

I get that some people are in favor of trading for Simmons and they well could be right its improves the team, but its nowhere close to a sure thing.
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Well, one thing we have a ton of data on. Namely Lillard and CJ together. With sprinklings of Nurkic (health is a big if). The other is an unknown other than i know Simmons is very good edging towards great. I do feel like its a risk, but not nearly as big as so many think. It feels like a sure thing we lose Dame next summer if we don’t make a move so to me its a no brainer thats where my confidence comes in.

I will concede it might not work, but Im close to certain another year of CJ and Nurk wont be good enough and we lose Dame. Standing pat seems the most likely way to lose Dame and therefore is the path of maximum danger. Simmons to me is far less risky than running it back which Dame said wasn’t good enough.
 
I know I will get killed for saying this, but I would rather trade CJ straight up for Harris than trade CJ and a bunch of other assets for Simmons. If it was CJ straight up for Simmons, you have to at least give it serious consideration, but Philly isn't going to do that.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
I know I will get killed for saying this, but I would rather trade CJ straight up for Harris than trade CJ and a bunch of other assets for Simmons. If it was CJ straight up for Simmons, you have to at least give it serious consideration, but Philly isn't going to do that.
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That's not a bad trade for us, IMO. I don't know how we get Harris who the Sixers seem to be happy with for less than Simmons who is a nightmare right now but Dame, Norm, RoCo, Harris and Nurk makes a ton of sense as a starting lineup. Way more sense than Dame, CJ, Norm, RoCo and Nurk... it's not as great to me as Dame, Norm, RoCo, Simmons and Nurk but it does have less issues with fit.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Maybe having CJ Dame Nurk all healthy for their first full season and playoffs will get the Blazers farther than when they went to the WCF without Nurk.
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Dame-CJ-Nurkic have been healthy for 14 playoff games and the Blazer record in those games is 3-11, and two of those wins came against a team missing their 2nd best player and other starting guard
 
wizenheimer said:
Dame-CJ-Nurkic have been healthy for 14 playoff games and the Blazer record in those games is 3-11, and two of those wins came against a team missing their 2nd best player and other starting guard
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Many folks are risk-averse and have a fear of the unknown. I get it. I'm standing pat and repeating the same mistakes (roster composition) over and over averse. I'd rather swing for the fences and strike out than try a bunt single that is all but guaranteed to get an easy out for the opposing team.
 
Idog1976 said:
Exactly. If Simmons goes to GSW all the detractors on the board will see exactly how terribly, horribly wrong they are as GSW become a #1-2 seed in the West. Curry playing at MVP level, with Kerr coaching Simmons would be a nightmare and we would regret not making the move 3 games a season and would also weep bitterly as GSW vaults to the WCF and maybe the Finals.

All the folks saying Dame is the best leader in sports etc. are exactly correct. What baffles me is they think Simmons is such a headcase that not even the best Leader in sports can inspire him. Amazing and all based on one series, which was run by maybe the most overrated, secretly bad coach in the NBA, and also a guy I consider to be among the most toxic in the League in Embiid.

The other comment is if the Blazers do land Simmons for CJ + at MOST (and I'd prefer almost any other non-Lillard trade) RoCo, or CJ plus Little and maybe a pick, the Simmons detractors will be amazed as we become a top 3 seed in the West and very possibly make the WCF and maybe the Finals.
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Simmons sucks.

He's not going to make a team better or take them to a finals.
 
Idog1976 said:
Many folks are risk-averse and have a fear of the unknown. I get it. I'm standing pat and repeating the same mistakes (roster composition) over and over averse. I'd rather swing for the fences and strike out than try a bunt single that is all but guaranteed to get an easy out for the opposing team.
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Simmons is a bunt single.
 
tykendo said:
IDog gonna get you with the rolling eyes video.
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Where did some rolling eyes video legend come from? Not sure Ive ever posted one? If I did it was a one off thing.

The two things I get passionate about are Olshey being a bad GM and people who have a warped sense of Simmons who is a former All-NBA, multiple time all-star, and second place in DPOY voting last year, somehow being a “bunt single” and/or a terrible player. Those kind of comments are absolutely worthy of an eyeroll.

That said, I’m curious how this legend came about.
 
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