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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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RR7 said:
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Seems like there are 3 possible scenarios here.

1) Many teams just aren't interested in Simmons.
2) Morey is scaring teams off with unrealistic demands.
3) Simmons is privately telling teams "don't bother, I don't want to play for you."

Place your bets!
 
RR7 said:
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Anytime anyone says "some people" say this, or believe that, it's 100% bullshit.
Plus, has NBACentral broken any rumors or stories?

I'll save you the time, no they haven't.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Seems like there are 3 possible scenarios here.

1) Many teams just aren't interested in Simmons.
2) Morey is scaring teams off with unrealistic demands.
3) Simmons is privately telling teams "don't bother, I don't want to play for you."

Place your bets!
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you forgot a nearly certain 4th option: media, bloggers, and internet talking heads talking out of their asses
 
blazerkor said:
It's hard to take someone seriously that uses such poor grammar and then talks about the ignorance of others. Sure not every stat that could be considered clutch is covered but scoring in clutch situations definitely is and I believe your entire premise is that Dray would be able to score when needed to, whereas Ben wouldn't. Just because a post doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean you need to call people ignorant and for fuck's sake proof read your shit if your going to go so far as to call someone else dumb.
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Haha, look at you trying to make me look silly only to make yourself look more silly with your grammar error too smart guy, guess we are both dumb then right? Owned!
 
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wizenheimer said:
I'm going to try and give you the benefit of the doubt....mainly because I know I can come across as disagreeable at times too, and most here have given me the benefit of the doubt. They've also give me lots of shit but that's fine...water off a duck

but for fucksakes do you have to come in to so many discussions so damn hot? I've seen the arguments you are making. Honestly, you should avoid calling others ignorant

as far as those screenshots I posted...do tell. Explain to me what "you" think of when you think of clutch
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So are you going to give me the benefit of the doubt or not? Please let me know so I can sleep better at night!

It’s more I get a laugh out of how delusional
you Simmons fan boys are, and how much you guys hate CJ that you would rather make a bad trade just to see him off the team because you want “change”. You guys come out in bunches with dumb stats and arguments when someone disagrees with you guys.

Trust me, I’m not the ignorant one here there is many more on here that take the cake. Especially when people showed their ugly head with the Billups hire and the accusations and the little Fire Neil crew too

And you Simmons fan boys and certain posters on here think they know better than anyone, that’s the most hilarious thing of this all. It’s funny how riled up you guys get when someone is trying to throw cold water on guys fantasy about Simmons lol. Remember guys, after all Simmons is a Lebron James without a jump shot right? I want what some of you are smoking.

Thanks for the laughs guys.
 
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sheed30 said:
Haha, look at you trying to make me look silly only to make yourself look more silly with your grammar error too smart guy, guess we are both dumb then right? Owned!
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The fact is you were calling someone ignorant and your sentences didn't make any sense. Anyway, I guess if you think you "Owned!" me then continue on with your middle school logic. None of that changes the fact that Simmons' clutch scoring stats are better than Dray's and that's the area you were identifying would be a liability for Simmons.
 
blazerkor said:
The fact is you were calling someone ignorant and your sentences didn't make any sense. Anyway, I guess if you think you "Owned!" me then continue on with your middle school logic. None of that changes the fact that Simmons' clutch scoring stats are better than Dray's and that's the area you were identifying would be a liability for Simmons.
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The fact is you were trying to make fun of me for making grammar mistakes only to make one yourself, which is hilarious. You should have taken your own advice and proof read your shit like I should have. I said owned as a way to be brass, don't take things so serious.

Those clutch stats don't mean shit. I said Draymond has had many many examples of him hitting the 3 to keep the defense honest and has hit clutch 3's before as well. That's a fact.

Another fact is Simmons doesn't keep the defense honest because he doesn't shoot 3's man, how is that hard to understand. The stats dont lie, the guy has only hit 5 threes in a 275 game span, and hasn't improved his outside game since coming into the NBA, and he won't even shoot it on top of that.

The fact that you're trying to argue this with me is silly. Haven't you seen other posters say Draymond has been clutch before...

Here is some stats for you then buddy.

His 4 quarter stats vs the Hawks :


Game 1: 2-2 FG

Game 2: 0-0 FG

Game 3: 1-1 FG

Game 4: 0-0 FG

Game 5: 0-0 FG

Game 6: 0-0 FG

Game 7: 0-0 FG

Can you guys imagine what some people here would be saying about this if Simmons was on our team? It would be a shit storm.

Secondly, you might say that's one series. but nope, check this stats out too.

Ben Simmons is ranked 189th in 4th quarter PPG, behind notable players such as Grayson Allen and Mason Plumlee.


How many times did guys complain about Harkless and Aminu, who couldn't hit 3's in the playoffs and was always a huge issue for us. Now you guys want someone that can't hit a 3 and is even scared to take it in this type of NBA they play today. He is Lebron James without a jumper and all the other silly stuff I have heard here is funny to me yes, you and others can clearly have a different take.
 
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sheed30 said:
The fact is you were trying to make fun of me for making grammar mistakes only to make one yourself, which is hilarious. You should have taken your own advice and proof read your shit like I should have. I said owned as a way to be brass, don't take things so serious.

Those clutch stats don't mean shit. I said Draymond has had many many examples of him hitting the 3 to keep the defense honest and has hit clutch 3's before as well. That's a fact.

Another fact is Simmons doesn't keep the defense honest because he doesn't shoot 3's man, how is that hard to understand. The stats dont lie, the guy has only hit 5 threes in a 275 game span, and hasn't improved his outside game since coming into the NBA, and he won't even shoot it on top of that.

The fact that you're trying to argue this with me is silly. Haven't you seen other posters say Draymond has been clutch before...

Here is some stats for you then buddy.

His 4 quarter stats vs the Hawks :


Game 1: 2-2 FG

Game 2: 0-0 FG

Game 3: 1-1 FG

Game 4: 0-0 FG

Game 5: 0-0 FG

Game 6: 0-0 FG

Game 7: 0-0 FG

Can you guys imagine what some people here would be saying about this if Simmons was on our team? It would be a shit storm.

Secondly, you might say that's one series. but nope, check this stats out too.

Ben Simmons is ranked 189th in 4th quarter PPG, behind notable players such as Grayson Allen and Mason Plumlee.


How many times did guys complain about Harkless and Aminu, who couldn't hit 3's in the playoffs and was always a huge issue for us. Now you guys want someone that can't hit a 3 and is even scared to take it in this type of NBA they play today. He is Lebron James without a jumper and all the other silly stuff I have heard here is funny to me yes, you and others can clearly have a different take.
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I really don't want to get too far into this with you because the way in which you conduct your posts isn't something I usually engage but we obviously wouldn't be relying on Simmons for his outside shooting and would have to look at him as a slasher, rim runner and possibly post up guy in order to get scoring from him. That being said you're moving your point all around.

Initially you were comparing Simmons to Dray, so stick with that. Look at their statistics over the period of time that Simmons has been in the league and you tell me which one keeps defenses honest by being able to score better. Look at all of their stats and tell me which guy has more of an impact on games. Then look at last season when Dray had to be a second option and tell me which one has more impact on winning as a second option. This shit shouldn't even be debatable.
 
blazerkor said:
I really don't want to get too far into this with you because the way in which you conduct your posts isn't something I usually engage but we obviously wouldn't be relying on Simmons for his outside shooting and would have to look at him as a slasher, rim runner and possibly post up guy in order to get scoring from him. That being said you're moving your point all around.

Initially you were comparing Simmons to Dray, so stick with that. Look at their statistics over the period of time that Simmons has been in the league and you tell me which one keeps defenses honest by being able to score better. Look at all of their stats and tell me which guy has more of an impact on games. Then look at last season when Dray had to be a second option and tell me which one has more impact on winning as a second option. This shit shouldn't even be debatable.
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yup, there is no point in going back and forth because you won't and can't even address the concerns about his outside shooting. If it was so easy for him to score as a slasher, rim runner and a post up guy why didn't he even attempt any shots in the 4th quarter in 4 out of 7 games for Philly during the Hawks series? He shies away from even wanting the ball man, so you can't put someone in those positions if they don't even want to score.

Secondly, it's not so easy to just make him a slasher and post him up when his free throw shooting is horrible. Did you also not see the Hack of Simmons the Hawks did, in which they clawed back from 20 points down to win the game? I didn't even point out that too, teams can just make him a huge liability by just hacking him in the 4th.

So if Simmons is slashing, teams will hack him and send him to the line, come on man. Post up, he can get hacked too. That is exactly why he didnt even want the ball in his hands in the 4th quarter during that series. Nate really exposed him. And you guys want him to play the role of our Draymond, how do you know he will do well playing the 4, guarding bigger guys on a regular base? Will his post up game, which is very limited basically a jump hook or fade away, will work if he is playing the 4 and having a big body defending him unlike PG's that defend him? His stats will suffer with us on top of that, he needs the ball in his hands 24-7 but that's not going to happen with Dame on our team.

Furthermore, if Simmons was this great talent that is Lebron without a jump shot how come teams are not lining up to trade for him? 29 out of 30 teams would be trying to get him if he was that type of talent, you guys are overrating him. When you have many other team fan bases that don't want anything to do with Simmons and his flaws, legends like Shaq. Barkley, Steve Smith and others criticizing him for not working on his game, there is a reason for that. But nope, you Simmons lovers know best sitting on your couch giving your thoughts lol.

You guys are just stuck in your love for Simmons, thats all.
 
sheed30 said:
yup, there is no point in going back and forth because you won't and can't even address the concerns about his outside shooting. If it was so easy for him to score as a slasher, rim runner and a post up guy why didn't he even attempt any shots in the 4th quarter in 4 out of 7 games for Philly during the Hawks series? He shies away from even wanting the ball man, so you can't put someone in those positions if they don't even want to score.

Secondly, it's not so easy to just make him a slasher and post him up when his free throw shooting is horrible. Did you also not see the Hack of Simmons the Hawks did, in which they clawed back from 20 points down to win the game? I didn't even point out that too, teams can just make him a huge liability by just hacking him in the 4th.

So if Simmons is slashing, teams will hack him and send him to the line, come on man. Post up, he can get hacked too. That is exactly why he didnt even want the ball in his hands in the 4th quarter during that series. Nate really exposed him. And you guys want him to play the role of our Draymond, how do you know he will do well playing the 4, guarding bigger guys on a regular base? Will his post up game, which is very limited basically a jump hook or fade away, will work if he is playing the 4 and having a big body defending him unlike PG's that defend him? His stats will suffer with us on top of that, he needs the ball in his hands 24-7 but that's not going to happen with Dame on our team.

Furthermore, if Simmons was this great talent that is Lebron without a jump shot how come teams are not lining up to trade for him? 29 out of 30 teams would be trying to get him if he was that type of talent, you guys are overrating him. When you have many other team fan bases that don't want anything to do with Simmons and his flaws, legends like Shaq. Barkley, Steve Smith and others criticizing him for not working on his game, there is a reason for that. But nope, you Simmons lovers know best sitting on your couch giving your thoughts lol.

You guys are just stuck in your love for Simmons, thats all.
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OK, I'm done after this comment but you just brought up Shaq after saying someone can't be an effective scorer without shooting. You keep living in one series, one series out of a four season career. Your whole thing is played out. We have no idea what teams are offering what trade capital for him, I suspect we'll know soon enough. Good luck in life.
 
blazerkor said:
OK, I'm done after this comment but you just brought up Shaq after saying someone can't be an effective scorer without shooting. You keep living in one series, one series out of a four season career. Your whole thing is played out. We have no idea what teams are offering what trade capital for him, I suspect we'll know soon enough. Good luck in life.
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haha, my whole thing is facts, more like you're done because you have no answer to the question and legit concerns I just addressed. One series huh, did you not see the stat that I posted in big bold letters saying Simmons is 189 ranked in 4th quarter PPG for a WHOLE SEASON? That's over a whole season, but ya man I'm just talking about one series only smh.

And Shaq was the most physically dominant player to even play this game what are you talking about, he was literally unstoppable in the paint and no one could match his size. On top of that, he still made free throws at times in the clutch unlike Ben. What are you talking about, keep making yourself look silly.

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sheed30 said:
haha, my whole thing is facts, more like you're done because you have no answer to the question and legit concerns I just addressed. One series huh, did you not see the stat that I posted in big bold letters saying Simmons is 189 ranked in 4th quarter PPG for a WHOLE SEASON? That's over a whole season, but ya man I'm just talking about one series only smh.

And Shaq was the most physically dominant player to even play this game what are you talking about, he was literally unstoppable in the paint and no one could match his size. On top of that, he still made free throws at times in the clutch unlike Ben. What are you talking about, keep making yourself look silly.

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sheed30 said:
So are you going to give me the benefit of the doubt or not? Please let me know so I can sleep better at night!

It’s more I get a laugh out of how delusional
you Simmons fan boys are, and how much you guys hate CJ that you would rather make a bad trade just to see him off the team because you want “change”. You guys come out in bunches with dumb stats and arguments when someone disagrees with you guys.

Trust me, I’m not the ignorant one here there is many more on here that take the cake. Especially when people showed their ugly head with the Billups hire and the accusations and the little Fire Neil crew too

And you Simmons fan boys and certain posters on here think they know better than anyone, that’s the most hilarious thing of this all. It’s funny how riled up you guys get when someone is trying to throw cold water on guys fantasy about Simmons lol. Remember guys, after all Simmons is a Lebron James without a jump shot right? I want what some of you are smoking.

Thanks for the laughs guys.
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for someone tossing so many insults out there, its clear to me who has their feathers ruffled…

There is always going to be someone who asserts thier opinions as facts in a demeaning, insulting way.
 
sheed30 said:
haha, my whole thing is facts, more like you're done because you have no answer to the question and legit concerns I just addressed. One series huh, did you not see the stat that I posted in big bold letters saying Simmons is 189 ranked in 4th quarter PPG for a WHOLE SEASON? That's over a whole season, but ya man I'm just talking about one series only smh.

And Shaq was the most physically dominant player to even play this game what are you talking about, he was literally unstoppable in the paint and no one could match his size. On top of that, he still made free throws at times in the clutch unlike Ben. What are you talking about, keep making yourself look silly.

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pics up mic…


i answered your concerns yesterday along with a few other people and you ignored it….

lol.


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Orion Bailey said:
for someone tossing so many insults out there, its clear to me who has their feathers ruffled…

There is always going to be someone who asserts thier opinions as facts in a demeaning, insulting way.
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Tossing out so many insults? Hilarious, if I was really insulting people that comment would get removed, you know how this board works.

Would you like a tissue for your issues? :)
 
sheed30 said:
Tossing out so many insults? Hilarious, if I was really insulting people that comment would get removed, you know how this board works.

Would you like a tissue for your issues? :)
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let me educate you. Ill let you keep those tissues as you will need them.
Mods don't remove general insults. doesnt mean its not insulting. I can say this board is full of dumbshit assholes and though i might be told to lighten up, its within the rules. However if i call you a dumbass asshole. It will get removed.
 
sheed30 said:
I really didn’t even see reply from you honestly.
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then Check your alerts. I quoted you.

step back and think about that. You are accusing people in an insulting way to mot have provided shit as a counter. Yet you admit to not seeing a post that answered this.
Maybe before being so hasty in tour demeaning responses to the forum, read through all the responses first.
 
Orion Bailey said:
the. Check your alerts. I quoted you.

step back and think about that. You are accusing people in an insulting way to mot have provided shit as a counter. Yet you admit to not seeing a post that answered this.
Maybe before being so hasty in tour demeaning responses to the forum, read through all the responses first.
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I’ll look back, but why should I waste time when all the “shit” I have counter with has not be answered either?
 
sheed30 said:
I’ll look back, but why should I waste time when all the “shit” I have counter with has not be answered either?
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sorry, typing on my phone. Typos. Meant to say you are accusing others of not having any rebuttal. Shit responses.
However im telling you you had more than shit responses. That alone should be enough to check it out.
 
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