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Besides the obvious (literally scared to shoot) this is another reason. He doesn't fit with Nurk either.

And y'all in here who want to sell on Nurkic should wait until you see him when he isn't coached by Stotts.

IMO the offense should go through Nurkic at the very least 30% of the time maybe more.

Stotts use of Nurkic was asinine and annoying.

He should be averaging 20 and 10. I blame Stotts. Imagine Powell being our 3rd scorer... I'm jussayin..
 
Man I don't know if you're deliberately trying to stir up shit here, but Dviss, whether I agree with him or not, is one of the most cerebral and intelligent people here (and that's just what I can fathom from his posting here). We've never met.

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Yeah I figured those were the reasons, those are everyone's reasons and I am not worried about any of them. Thanks for explaining that. Mystery solved. None of those concern me in the slightest. He had one bad series, one of the worst teammates in the league and a soft player's coach who still threw him under the bus. Having Billups plus Lillard will correct that and Simmons talent will get us where we need to go, not an aging Green who's already worse at every metric than Simmons. There are no other options and the clock is ticking. This is the swing for the fences move and one Neil must make.

There literally was no mystery. There was no theory. There's just you not reading this very thread. I said this shit a long time ago.

You kept asking me to repeat myself and I was done. :dunno:
 
Playing Simmons at the 4 screws an Nurk. An actual scorer.
An actual scorer that has a lower field goal %, lower points per shot and lower points per game for his career, regular season and the playoffs. The only time Nurk was an actual better scorer were in these last playoffs and when Nurk's entire season was an eight game sample size. Other than that... Ben Simmons is the actual scorer between the two.
 
I mean... Where do you put the MF...? Spacing would be fucked... And we know he doesn't play without the ball...

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An actual scorer that has a lower field goal %, lower points per shot and lower points per game for his career, regular season and the playoffs. The only time Nurk was an actual better scorer were in these last playoffs and when Nurk's entire season was an eight game sample size. Other than that... Ben Simmons is the actual scorer between the two.

"Stotts coached"

Is gonna be the equivalent of a mic drop around this MF. Nurk was an afterthought in Stott's offense...
 
but there is also a chance this is going to be one of the most frightful combinations in the entire NBA.

It's only frightful because Dame's gonna leave afterward... I swear I don't want us to waste our last possible year of Damian Lillard for a fucking reclamation project...
 
It's only frightful because Dame's gonna leave afterward... I swear I don't want us to waste our last possible year of Damian Lillard for a fucking reclamation project...

Dame was at the top decile in the NBA as the handler in pick and roll plays. The only player on POR that was in the top decile as a roller in the same games was DJJ - a mobile athletic freak that went hard to the rim. 2nd best was Kanter (4th decile) who is a big body that can set good picks. He is not very agile (west/east) but he can go hard to the rim and at least has good hands. This tells you how great Dame is at initiating the pick and roll despite the facts that he did not have great teammates rolling for him last year. IIRC, before Nurk went down in 2018 - the 2 of them were the top pick and roll duo in the league despite Nurk's well know sub-optimal finishes around the rim.

Now imagine that there is a new roll man option in Ben Simmons, a bigger athletic freak than DJJ with much more agility than Kanter and the ability to find people in transition if he the opposing team manages to collapse on him. I honestly think this would be a really scary combination to stop for the rest of the league. In a standard pick and roll you have one of the best handlers in the league in Dame, getting picks from a big body that is an athletic freak that can go hard to the rim (and scores very efficiently there). In addition, both the ball handler and the roll man are excellent and finding others if the defense manages to contain them with good shooters all around.

In addition, because of Dame's ridiculous range, the Blazers can now run 2 sets of north/south pick and roll starting from the half court if they really want, Dame and Simmons and if there is a need (Simmons love to attack the rim from the handle with the ball in his hands, a great place to put it for him as the roll man) - a secondary one with Simmons as the handler (which he is capable of doing) and Nurk. At the same time, somehow the defense now manages to collapse back on both of them - you know who can move without the ball and get it for a 3P attempt, Dame... - scary shit.
 
LOL...Olshey spinning like mad so he doesn't have to trade CJ
How is this Olshey spinning.
Go to the “Ben Simmons” poll and a number of us are saying “Ben Simmons makes no sense because his greatest strength would minimize Damian by moving him off the ball.” Dame is the best PnR PG in the league. Why would u do that?

UNLESS you’re moving Simmons to center.

Confirmation bias. We know you hate Neil. But the proof is in that poll. More than a few people question the fit.
 
Dame was at the top decile in the NBA as the handler in pick and roll plays. The only player on POR that was in the top decile as a roller in the same games was DJJ - a mobile athletic freak that went hard to the rim. 2nd best was Kanter (4th decile) who is a big body that can set good picks. He is not very agile (west/east) but he can go hard to the rim and at least has good hands. This tells you how great Dame is at initiating the pick and roll despite the facts that he did not have great teammates rolling for him last year. IIRC, before Nurk went down in 2018 - the 2 of them were the top pick and roll duo in the league despite Nurk's well know sub-optimal finishes around the rim.

Now imagine that there is a new roll man option in Ben Simmons, a bigger athletic freak than DJJ with much more agility than Kanter and the ability to find people in transition if he the opposing team manages to collapse on him. I honestly think this would be a really scary combination to stop for the rest of the league. In a standard pick and roll you have one of the best handlers in the league in Dame, getting picks from a big body that is an athletic freak that can go hard to the rim (and scores very efficiently there). In addition, both the ball handler and the roll man are excellent and finding others if the defense manages to contain them with good shooters all around.

In addition, because of Dame's ridiculous range, the Blazers can now run 2 sets of north/south pick and roll starting from the half court if they really want, Dame and Simmons and if there is a need (Simmons love to attack the rim from the handle with the ball in his hands, a great place to put it for him as the roll man) - a secondary one with Simmons as the handler (which he is capable of doing) and Nurk. At the same time, somehow the defense now manages to collapse back on both of them - you know who can move without the ball and get it for a 3P attempt, Dame... - scary shit.
Watching that video of Simmons's 40 point game against the Jazz, it did seem that he was rolling a fair amount. And he even let Tobias Harris bring the ball up the court a few times.
 
Looks like TOR could be back in the mix...

According to The Athletic's Shams Charania, the Toronto Raptors have already engaged with the Sixers on the Simmons front.
"Philadelphia has conducted expansive discussions with several teams, including Minnesota and Toronto, but neither a Timberwolves package nor the Raptors' proposals have appealed to the 76ers as of yet," Charania wrote. "Philadelphia has set a high price threshold for teams to meet in talks for Simmons thus far."

Maybe this and some picks?
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IIRC, before Nurk went down in 2018 - the 2 of them were the top pick and roll duo in the league despite Nurk's well know sub-optimal finishes around the rim.

And they can't get back there with a non shooter on the floor crowding the middle due to spacing.

Nurk would literally have to live in the high post if Simmons was on our team. While I do want him there much more, I don't want him there permanently
 
IMHO this is our one and only chance to keep Dame. You trade for a guy who's his friend and can make the team better.

That's Green not Simmons.

You don't take that risk when your franchise player is on the line.
As we said, Dame liked a pic of Simmons in a Blazers jersey. Green would be great but not for CJ. Simmons is 25 and more talented. Green is past his prime.
 
As we said, Dame liked a pic of Simmons in a Blazers jersey. Green would be great but not for CJ. Simmons is 25 and more talented. Green is past his prime.

Yeah, we disagree. One is a champion...

IDC if Dame "liked" a pic... It means nothing. :dunno:
 
No. I don't. I think Simmons is critically flawed. The man is 5/34 for 3 in his career. Barely takes any mid range jumpers.

I think it's a recipe for disaster and y'all are clamoring for it.

I don’t know. You seem to think Simmons is a zero on offense and he’s not. He scored 42 points in a game at Utah last season. Threes aren’t everything. Simmons is much better offensive player than Green.
 
JR Smith is a champion too. Not trading CJ for him. The liked pic means Dame would be happy playing with Simmons. Why else would he like it?

Please make sense when you talk and don't make me respond to silliness....

We all know that team does not win the championship without Draymond... Plus no Durant??
 
I don’t know. You seem to think Simmons is a zero on offense and he’s not. He scored 42 points in a game at Utah last season. Threes aren’t everything. Simmons is much better offensive player than Green.

So? He averaged 14 for the season. 11.9 for the playoffs. 9.8 vs Atlanta...

He's trending down when it matters MOST...
 
You're kind of an asshole bro. Again, you don't know me...

The eye test on Simmons is that his is LITERALLY afraid to shoot.


Y'all bring up one regular season game where he was aggressive and all of the sudden your point is proven.

No, the playoff series and his entire career of being scared to shoot and scared to go to the free throw line is well documented...

Talmbout some eye test... Fool, I've used my eyes to come to my conclusion.

Then how does he score 42 in a game? As for playoffs, when Embiid missed a playoff game in 2019, Simmons led Sixers to victory scoring 31 points on 11/13 shooting. What did your eyes tell you about that? In 2020, Simmons missed playoffs and Sixers got swept. You’re not looking at big picture. People in this thread are trying to explain it to you, but you’re refusing to understand it. Simmons is a MUCH better scorer than Green and just as good defensively.
 
Then how does he score 42 in a game? As for playoffs, when Embiid missed a playoff game in 2019, Simmons led Sixers to victory scoring 31 points on 11/13 shooting. What did your eyes tell you about that? In 2020, Simmons missed playoffs and Sixers got swept. You’re not looking at big picture. People in this thread are trying to explain it to you, but you’re refusing to understand it. Simmons is a MUCH better scorer than Green and just as good defensively.

You're absolutely correct across the board, everything you say here is spot on. Period. The only question I previously had was would Dame be OK with trading CJ and playing with Simmons. His Twitter picture like of Simmons next to him in a Blazers Uni, in my eyes, cleared up the latter 100%. It also hints he is ok with the former (trading CJ). I am pretty sure Dame decided he was done with CJ after the death stare he gave him when CJ stepped out of bounds in Game 5. Dame is ready to win now and he knows that Simmons opens that up. People want to talk about bad attitudes and a bad series like that's all there is. Attitudes can be crafted by environments. I'm not sure I'd want Ben as the Alpha, but he seems fantastic as the second option next to the Greatest Leader in sports. If we didn't have Dame I might be worried, but we do, so I'm not.
 
So? He averaged 14 for the season. 11.9 for the playoffs. 9.8 vs Atlanta...

He's trending down when it matters MOST...
it was a bad playoffs but he’s shown he can be great in playoffs too and he’s YOUNG. So much potential. If he was a perfect player, we couldn’t get him for CJ. To get a star, we have to take a risk on the guy who has shown flaws. We’re not getting Giannis for CJ.
 
it was a bad playoffs but he’s shown he can be great in playoffs too and he’s YOUNG. So much potential. If he was a perfect player, we couldn’t get him for CJ. To get a star, we have to take a risk on the guy who has shown flaws. We’re not getting Giannis for CJ.

Simmons is stud I expect some flaws or he wouldn’t be available. Again you add him to our defense and we instantly become top 5 defensive team. Top 5 defensive team with a top 5 offensive player who can hit big shots I like our chances. Then you just need one of our your younger players or Simmons to take the next step and your competing for top spot in west.
 
Simmons is stud I expect some flaws or he wouldn’t be available. Again you add him to our defense and we instantly become top 5 defensive team. Top 5 defensive team with a top 5 offensive player who can hit big shots I like our chances. Then you just need one of our your younger players or Simmons to take the next step and your competing for top spot in west.
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