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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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Rastapopoulos said:
Just to reiterate: Morey really wants Dame. He realizes Dame may not be available by the time he is forced to trade Simmons. But he believes that Dame WILL be available in the next year or so. Solution? Trade for a package that will be attractive to a rebuilding Blazers' team. Shit, this means he could trade Simmons to someone like OKC and just get a shit-ton of their picks back. But what it CERTAINLY means is that he WILL NOT trade Simmons for CJ, for two very good reasons:
1. If CJ is his asset, then there's no way he can trade for Dame when (he believes) Dame becomes available. The Blazers would not do that.
2. If he gives the Blazers Simmons, then that might buy more time for the Blazers before Dame asks out.

So... I believe that the only way Morey trades Simmons for CJ is if that's literally the only offer he's got. And we KNOW the Wolves are chasing Simmons hard, and we don't know if Olshey has even considered a CJ-Simmons trade.
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When you're a win now team, you just can't afford to do what you're talking about. This is the team that had the best record in the Eastern Conference last season they can't lay back for a year hoping that Dame or Beal ask out at the end of the season. Their fans wouldn't stand for it, their players wouldn't stand for it either. The CJ move makes them better than they were last season, just because of fit... he fills a need for them.

No team in win now mode has taken a rebuilding package for an all star, in hopes that another team with a superstar will go into a rebuild in the near future and take that package plus more for their superstar. You realize after it's laid out that plainly how crazy it sounds, right? Morey has to take a win now piece or pieces when he trades Simmons. You're right he doesn't have to take them from us, maybe we're not even offering but he has to try and make his team better, not worse. If CJ is being offered and what we're offering makes the Sixers the best out of any of the offers they get, Morey will take our offer.
 
TBpup said:
Interesting stat from the Jacked Ramsey podcast with Danny Marang and Brandon Sprague:

With Ben Simmons on the floor, the 76'ers shot 40% from the 3-pt line.
With Ben Simmons NOT on the floor, the 76'ers shot 28% from the 3-pt line.

That is a dramatic stat and a significant difference. Wonder what he would do for Dame, Simons, Powell, Nance, Little, etc?
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Id like to know more details about these lineups. Did Ben's mins correlate with Curry/Green? Did the non-Ben minutes coincide with Thybulle/Dwight on instead? Ben is their best 3 PT creator but that stat is loaded when considered in a vacuum
 
I’d say there’s a 2% chance CJ is traded at this point, might be time to just concentrate on what we have. Maybe something else at the deadline if we get off to a slow start but I just don’t see Neil moving CJ at this point
 
LayneStaley said:
I’d say there’s a 2% chance CJ is traded at this point, might be time to just concentrate on what we have. Maybe something else at the deadline if we get off to a slow start but I just don’t see Neil moving CJ at this point
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If he's not willing to move CJ, then you might as well go to the Dame trade thread. Especially trading CJ for an All-NBA talent like Simmons. I agree you may be right, but if you're right, then we are boned.
 
blazerkor said:
When you're a win now team, you just can't afford to do what you're talking about. This is the team that had the best record in the Eastern Conference last season they can't lay back for a year hoping that Dame or Beal ask out at the end of the season. Their fans wouldn't stand for it, their players wouldn't stand for it either. The CJ move makes them better than they were last season, just because of fit... he fills a need for them.

No team in win now mode has taken a rebuilding package for an all star, in hopes that another team with a superstar will go into a rebuild in the near future and take that package plus more for their superstar. You realize after it's laid out that plainly how crazy it sounds, right? Morey has to take a win now piece or pieces when he trades Simmons. You're right he doesn't have to take them from us, maybe we're not even offering but he has to try and make his team better, not worse. If CJ is being offered and what we're offering makes the Sixers the best out of any of the offers they get, Morey will take our offer.
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If we end up trading CJ for Simmons we should get one of their youngsters too. Just my opinion
 
dviss1 said:
We differ. I think it will be mediocre if you waste CJ on trading him for Ben Simmons.

You've seemed to pigeonhole yourself into a Simmons or bust situation which I think is suspect AF.
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I have pigeonholed myself into the "we need to trade CJ to open up the shooting guard spot for Norm" and the "we need a legit second All-Star" situation.

What other players are going to become available that are better than Simmons and could be had for CJ?
 
illmatic99 said:
Id like to know more details about these lineups. Did Ben's mins correlate with Curry/Green? Did the non-Ben minutes coincide with Thybulle/Dwight on instead? Ben is their best 3 PT creator but that stat is loaded when considered in a vacuum
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Who knows....feel free to research away. It was for the whole season so a decent sample size regardless of who was on the court.
 
blazerkor said:
When you're a win now team, you just can't afford to do what you're talking about. This is the team that had the best record in the Eastern Conference last season they can't lay back for a year hoping that Dame or Beal ask out at the end of the season. Their fans wouldn't stand for it, their players wouldn't stand for it either. The CJ move makes them better than they were last season, just because of fit... he fills a need for them.

No team in win now mode has taken a rebuilding package for an all star, in hopes that another team with a superstar will go into a rebuild in the near future and take that package plus more for their superstar. You realize after it's laid out that plainly how crazy it sounds, right? Morey has to take a win now piece or pieces when he trades Simmons. You're right he doesn't have to take them from us, maybe we're not even offering but he has to try and make his team better, not worse. If CJ is being offered and what we're offering makes the Sixers the best out of any of the offers they get, Morey will take our offer.
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I want Simmons but I disagree that CJ makes them better. Granted if Philly has Simmons AND CJ/Embiid, then yes. But getting CJ and his poor defense while giving up the best defensive player in the League would not improve Philly. Philly would need RoCo or Little in the deal for it to be fair. For them. Plus, Sixers are in love with Seth Curry and think CJ will step on his toes.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I want Simmons but I disagree that CJ makes them better. Granted if Philly has Simmons AND CJ/Embiid, then yes. But getting CJ and his poor defense while giving up the best defensive player in the League would not improve Philly. Philly would need RoCo or Little in the deal for it to be fair. For them. Plus, Sixers are in love with Seth Curry and think CJ will step on his toes.
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We will soon find out just what they can get for a guy that needs a new situation.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I want Simmons but I disagree that CJ makes them better. Granted if Philly has Simmons AND CJ/Embiid, then yes. But getting CJ and his poor defense while giving up the best defensive player in the League would not improve Philly. Philly would need RoCo or Little in the deal for it to be fair. For them. Plus, Sixers are in love with Seth Curry and think CJ will step on his toes.
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Agree that the CJ trade made more sense (a) when it was for Harris, and (b) before they traded for Curry.
Also agree that it's time to let it die. Pretty ironic coming from the King of Simmons Threads, I know. But it's not like anything else was happening...
 
Olshey will go for broke because he has to. McCollum + 2 future first-round picks.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Agree that the CJ trade made more sense (a) when it was for Harris, and (b) before they traded for Curry.
Also agree that it's time to let it die. Pretty ironic coming from the King of Simmons Threads, I know. But it's not like anything else was happening...
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With Harris and Curry they were lacking a playmaking perimeter scorer last season, especially in the playoffs... that's what hurt them and that's what they need right now. I have no idea why we would "let it die" until Simmons is traded.
 
blazerkor said:
With Harris and Curry they were lacking a playmaking perimeter scorer last season, especially in the playoffs... that's what hurt them and that's what they need right now. I have no idea why we would "let it die" until Simmons is traded.
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Right, until Simmons is traded or another option becomes available this is the only game in town if the goal is to improve in a serious way and keep Dame.
 
do people still think Olshey has any intention of trading CJ?

I'd be surprised if Olshey has budged an inch from when he was holding CJ untouchable 4 years ago
 
Man! The belittling of CJ's talent is wild. Who knows how good he would he be . I was as frustrated as anyone with his performance in last years playoff series. But he is a highly skilled , upper echelon , offensive talent, who before the injury to the Lumox, was performing like never before on defense. His anticipation was great in the passing lanes. He was forcing opposing players into bad shots. He's very capable. If he's not traded i foresee him improving greatly on defense under Billips. I think he would be great next to Embiid. I would love to see him in the John Havlicek role on this team , but i doubt that happens. But if he gets traded for Simmons, it's not a slam dunk that we get the better of the deal. I hope Ben Simmons is everything and more , cause i want Dame to win it all for us. But i'm not gonna slam on CJ like he's some third rate talent, and that's the way it's coming off in here. That is total B.S.
 
I count 18 teams. Timberwolves, Jazz, Nuggets, Pelicans, Magic, Grizzlies, Pistons, Bulls, Raptors, Spurs, Wizards, & Hornets are missing.
 
tykendo said:
Man! The belittling of CJ's talent is wild. Who knows how good he would he be . I was as frustrated as anyone with his performance in last years playoff series. But he is a highly skilled , upper echelon , offensive talent, who before the injury to the Lumox, was performing like never before on defense. His anticipation was great in the passing lanes. He was forcing opposing players into bad shots. He's very capable. If he's not traded i foresee him improving greatly on defense under Billips. I think he would be great next to Embiid. I would love to see him in the John Havlicek role on this team , but i doubt that happens. But if he gets traded for Simmons, it's not a slam dunk that we get the better of the deal. I hope Ben Simmons is everything and more , cause i want Dame to win it all for us. But i'm not gonna slam on CJ like he's some third rate talent, and that's the way it's coming off in here. That is total B.S.
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Nah, I think if CJ wasn't playing with Dame, he'd look fantastic. The fact is they are an extremely small and not extremely athletic back court defensively and both guys thrive with the ball in their hands. I think CJ would be great as the perimeter offensive specialist/lead guard on a team with Embiid and Harris. I think that if Simmons would change his mindset from PG to being a big like a Dray/Giannis hybrid, his success when paired with Dame would be a slam dunk... with a lot of slam dunks. On defense plugging Simmons into a forward spot and letting Norm play the 2 would be huge for our team. So, no CJ slander. Just time for him to QB his own offense, he'd be great at doing it.
 
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wizenheimer said:
do people still think Olshey has any intention of trading CJ?

I'd be surprised if Olshey has budged an inch from when he was holding CJ untouchable 4 years ago
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He sure sounded like he'd moved away from CJ being that second star on a contender at the presser when Stotts' firing was announced but Olshey has had a lot of time to talk himself back into it sense then. We'll have to wait and see.

I do think that the idea that this team will somehow be good enough to contend and therefore good enough for Dame with the addition of Nance and then the rest of the bench guys we got is not realistic. Running back the three guard lineup and rest of the starters doesn't seem like the way we keep Dame... at least not to me. So, yeah maybe CJ is still untouchable and also yeah maybe this time next year we don't have Dame.

Maybe I'm totally wrong and the growth of Ant and Nas with the additions of Nance, Snell, Zeller and the rest will make us a contender.
 
blazerkor said:
With Harris and Curry they were lacking a playmaking perimeter scorer last season, especially in the playoffs... that's what hurt them and that's what they need right now. I have no idea why we would "let it die" until Simmons is traded.
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Yes they need a player like CJ. But they have new problems once Simmons is gone. Esp on D. Simmons missed 202o playoffs and Sixers got swept in first round.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Yes they need a player like CJ. But they have new problems once Simmons is gone. Esp on D. Simmons missed 202o playoffs and Sixers got swept in first round.
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If Seth were to come off the bench in an instant offense role, they could start CJ, Thybulle, Green, Harris and Embiid. That would be a pretty stout defense and a much more potent offense.
 
blazerkor said:
If Seth were to come off the bench in an instant offense role, they could start CJ, Thybulle, Green, Harris and Embiid. That would be a pretty stout defense and a much more potent offense.
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Good point. I think some Sixers fans see Curry in a bigger role though. After the playoffs last year, they consider Curry to be their 2nd best player.
 
tykendo said:
Watching Simmons shoot, does he need glasses. I mean seriously. Most people wait too long to get glasses. Maybe he needs to visit the optometrist .
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...I like this theory -- does anyone know? :dunno:
 
Just think how good a passer, slasher, defender, dunker you have to be to make the NBA (and become an All Star) without being able to shoot! That's what the naysayers don't see. He is super elite in those aforementioned skills.
 
Rastapopoulos said:


Well that narrows the field (but notice what team's logo is missing)
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This reminds me of when the NBA Store opened in NYC and they had a black leather jacket with all the team logos on it. I wanted it to so bad. It was like $5000.
 
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