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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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Natebishop3 said:
Such a lame thing to tease.
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it's windhorst's MO. But there's more insight from him in the actual podcast. (says Minny doesn't have what it takes). And that it could potentially end up being a 3 team trade where a star level player goes to Philly and younger pieces (from Minny) go to the 3rd team.

anyways, the stuff out in public is Minny and CLE being primarily interested. Spurs tangentially. Really nothing from POR outside of speculation.

my $ is on Indy.
 
I think it’s probably a bad sign that whenever I see Simmons in the headline as the top thread I fear that we’ve traded for him.

I’ve never been so confused about a player. If he even *looks* at the rim the 76ers have a championship. Insane.
 
OK i just listened to the pod (around the 25 min mark)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...ch-parise-ep-365/id1072920150?i=1000535039291

Q: Isn't CJ for Simmons the most logical outcome?
A: I'm not sure Portland makes that trade. Does Portland even want Ben Simmons? Obviously they're a poor defensive team and make a case that trading for a great defensive player makes sense on paper, but I'm not sure they want Ben Simmons. If they come to the decision that they want to trade CJ, they may be able to do something that makes more sense for their roster.

for fucks sake, Neil. How is it that he is so oblivious to the idea that a Dame-Simmons pairing is >>>>> Dame-CJ pairing? Could there be any better synergistic pairing?
 
illmatic99 said:
OK i just listened to the pod (around the 25 min mark)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...ch-parise-ep-365/id1072920150?i=1000535039291

Q: Isn't CJ for Simmons the most logical outcome?
A: I'm not sure Portland makes that trade. Does Portland even want Ben Simmons? Obviously they're a poor defensive team and make a case that trading for a great defensive player makes sense on paper, but I'm not sure they want Ben Simmons. If they come to the decision that they want to trade CJ, they may be able to do something that makes more sense for their roster.

for fucks sake, Neil. How is it that he is so oblivious to the idea that a Dame-Simmons pairing is >>>>> Dame-CJ pairing? Could there be any better synergistic pairing?
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I think Neil is legitimately the most stubborn GM I have ever seen on this team. Why do we keep getting these "let the cake bake" morons in our front office?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think Neil is legitimately the most stubborn GM I have ever seen on this team. Why do we keep getting these "let the cake bake" morons in our front office?
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I'm largely OK with retaining CJ, but i have at least some semblance of common sense in realizing that CJ is possibly our best tradeable piece with the Powell acquisition, and our weakest link on defense. Whether you trade for Simmons is another matter of discussion (in my mind, it's about as obvious as can be), but to be so reluctant to moving CJ at all.... doesn't make much sense to me. And this is a message we have heard consistently this summer (from Jake Fischer to Windy, et al): Neil will not trade CJ.
 
illmatic99 said:
OK i just listened to the pod (around the 25 min mark)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...ch-parise-ep-365/id1072920150?i=1000535039291

Q: Isn't CJ for Simmons the most logical outcome?
A: I'm not sure Portland makes that trade. Does Portland even want Ben Simmons? Obviously they're a poor defensive team and make a case that trading for a great defensive player makes sense on paper, but I'm not sure they want Ben Simmons. If they come to the decision that they want to trade CJ, they may be able to do something that makes more sense for their roster.

for fucks sake, Neil. How is it that he is so oblivious to the idea that a Dame-Simmons pairing is >>>>> Dame-CJ pairing? Could there be any better synergistic pairing?
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nothing has changed

Olshey is ego-blinded loyal to his vision of CJ, and that vision says that CJ is the elite 2nd star that Portland needs, even though there are 6 years of proof that's not anywhere close to true

over four years ago, we found out that Olshey was holding CJ untouchable in a PG13 trade. I'm convinced CJ has remained untouchable when Butler, Kawhi, and Harden were available. There's really nothing, except wishful thinking, indicating CJ is suddenly touchable in a Simmons trade
 
wizenheimer said:
nothing has changed

Olshey is ego-blinded loyal to his vision of CJ, and that vision says that CJ is the elite 2nd star that Portland needs, even though there are 6 years of proof that's not anywhere close to true

over four years ago, we found out that Olshey was holding CJ untouchable in a PG13 trade. I'm convinced CJ has remained untouchable when Butler, Kawhi, and Harden were available. There's really nothing, except wishful thinking, indicating CJ is suddenly touchable in a Simmons trade
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Then Olshey should not be fired, but executed. We can have his head on a Pike outside the Moda Center as a warning to future GM’s to make the fucking trade.
 
I cant wait until Olshey is fired. If he fucks up this last best chance to save the franchise he should be fired and hopefully blacklisted from the NBA. What utter trash.
 
illmatic99 said:
I'm largely OK with retaining CJ, but i have at least some semblance of common sense in realizing that CJ is possibly our best tradeable piece with the Powell acquisition, and our weakest link on defense. Whether you trade for Simmons is another matter of discussion (in my mind, it's about as obvious as can be), but to be so reluctant to moving CJ at all.... doesn't make much sense to me. And this is a message we have heard consistently this summer (from Jake Fischer to Windy, et al): Neil will not trade CJ.
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Maybe, like his buddy Morey-on, he feels CJ is undervalued, and is waiting on his buddy to finally concede, and makes the deal. Granted it's early, but look at the Rodgers situation in Green Bay. It has a chance to fester fast. Maybe it's better to make a deal now, and limit the potential damage while you can.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm convinced CJ has remained untouchable when Butler, Kawhi, and Harden were available. There's really nothing, except wishful thinking, indicating CJ is suddenly touchable in a Simmons trade
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i don't want to speculate on all that in the past. What is in front of us now is Simmons, and multiple people remain unconvinced that we would give up CJ for Ben.

There were obvious caveats involved with PG. The talk about George was that he was bound to LA in his free agency, and him sticking around in OKC was a huge surprise to everyone. There was NOTHING about CJ for Kawhi or Butler at al-- think you're making these up in your head and have talked about it so many times, you believe it to be real. I remain convinced Harden only wanted to go to BK or Philly and used Portland only as a leverage play.

Regardless, we did get some hints that he would trade CJ this summer (from Quick) and from himself if you read through the lines in his interviews. However, the recent rumors suggest otherwise.
 
illmatic99 said:
I'm largely OK with retaining CJ, but i have at least some semblance of common sense in realizing that CJ is possibly our best tradeable piece with the Powell acquisition, and our weakest link on defense. Whether you trade for Simmons is another matter of discussion (in my mind, it's about as obvious as can be), but to be so reluctant to moving CJ at all.... doesn't make much sense to me. And this is a message we have heard consistently this summer (from Jake Fischer to Windy, et al): Neil will not trade CJ.
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wizenheimer said:
nothing has changed

Olshey is ego-blinded loyal to his vision of CJ, and that vision says that CJ is the elite 2nd star that Portland needs, even though there are 6 years of proof that's not anywhere close to true

over four years ago, we found out that Olshey was holding CJ untouchable in a PG13 trade. I'm convinced CJ has remained untouchable when Butler, Kawhi, and Harden were available. There's really nothing, except wishful thinking, indicating CJ is suddenly touchable in a Simmons trade
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Just Ugh!!! Simmons or not keeping CJ at this point is so fucking idiotic. I hope we've all been fooled and CJ is moved for a piece that makes more sense but the more I read what you guys are saying the more undeniable it seems that Olshey will hold onto CJ and it will cost us Dame before the 2022-23 season starts.
 
If its true he wouldn’t swing for Kawhi, Butler, PG13 and now Simmons in order to keep...perennial non-All star Cj McCollum, just what the ever living F?!?!
 
illmatic99 said:
i don't want to speculate on all that in the past. What is in front of us now is Simmons, and multiple people remain unconvinced that we would give up CJ for Ben.

There were obvious caveats involved with PG. The talk about George was that he was bound to LA regardless in his free agency, and him sticking around in OKC was a huge surprise to everyone. There was NOTHING about CJ for Kawhi or Butler at al-- think you're making these up in your head and have talked about it so many times, you believe it to be real. I remain convinced Harden only wanted to go to BK or Philly and used Portland only as a leverage play.

Regardless, we did get some hints that he would trade CJ this summer (from Quick) and from himself if you read through the lines in his interviews. However, the recent rumors suggest otherwise.
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I agree with most of what you've said here. I think the biggest question left out of the discussion though is, assuming that Olshey is ready to move CJ, what other options might be out there beyond Simmons? Simmons is an interesting player who would bring a lot to the Blazers, but I'm not convinced that he'd be happy in Portland. His list of 3 California teams (Lakers, Clippers & Warriors) would seem to indicate that he wants to go to an established title contender. It would piss me off to see the Blazers trade CJ away and end up with Simmons refusing to report to the team or pouting in a Blazers uniform. So I have no problem with Olshey being reluctant to dive into the Simmons deal (assuming Morey is even actually willing to back off his Lillard-or-bust position).
 
blazerkor said:
Just Ugh!!! Simmons or not keeping CJ at this point is so fucking idiotic. I hope we've all been fooled and CJ is moved for a piece that makes more sense but the more I read what you guys are saying the more undeniable it seems that Olshey will hold onto CJ and it will cost us Dame before the 2022-23 season starts.
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Well, if you believe Windhorst, Neil's plan is to play this year out and see how Chauncey changes things, and then throw an extension (~2yrs, 100 mil) Dame's way come summer as a way to entice him to stay.
 
e_blazer said:
I agree with most of what you've said here. I think the biggest question left out of the discussion though is, assuming that Olshey is ready to move CJ, what other options might be out there beyond Simmons? Simmons is an interesting player who would bring a lot to the Blazers, but I'm not convinced that he'd be happy in Portland. His list of 3 California teams (Lakers, Clippers & Warrior) would seem to indicate that he wants to go to an established title contender. It would piss me off to see the Blazers trade CJ away and end up with Simmons refusing to report to the team or pouting in a Blazers uniform. So I have no problem with Olshey being reluctant to dive into the Simmons deal (assuming Morey is even actually willing to back off his Lillard-or-bust position).
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I keep wondering when this CA team LIE will finally die on this board. Its fake, false and fraudulent.

As to your question, there is no other impact player available and we got one season to please Dame. Its Simmons or bye bye Dame.
 
illmatic99 said:
Well, if you believe Windhorst, Neil's plan is to play this year out and see how Chauncey changes things, and then throw an extension (~2yrs, 100 mil) Dame's way come summer as a way to entice him to stay.
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So his plan is mediocrity. Fits the MO. Further hamstringing the cap into Dames twilight ears rather than trade CJ...is that worse than blowing it up and trading Dame?!?!
 
Idog1976 said:
I dunno the PG13 one seems solid. Harden trade seemed right there if we wanted it. Kawhi is slightly understandable as he was a clear rental, but Butler and maybe now Simmons?!??
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There was 0 noise about Butler or Kawhi in play for CJ. That is 100% made up.

PG was a maybe but we heard reports of Pritchard unwilling to deal with Portland and Olshey's offers being stupid underwhelming in fears of PG bouncing in his upcoming free agency.

Harden was definitely not RIGHT THERE. Come on now. He only wanted BK or Philly and made a ton of noise about it. The Portland rumor came about only to push Houston to make a move. And why would a clearly rebuilding Houston want CJ in the first place?
 
illmatic99 said:
There was 0 noise about Butler or Kawhi in play for CJ. That is 100% made up.

PG was a maybe but we heard reports of Pritchard unwilling to deal with Portland and Olshey's offers being stupid underwhelming in fears of PG bouncing in his upcoming free agency.

Harden was definitely not RIGHT THERE. Come on now. He only wanted BK or Philly and made a ton of noise about it. The Portland rumor came about only to push Houston to make a move. And why would a clearly rebuilding Houston want CJ in the first place?
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Thats fair and makes sense. My fury at Olshey is almost boundless at the moment. Make the god damn trade Neil! His supposed “plan” is to lock us into mediocrity for the next decade apparently?!?! Nightmare fuel.
 
illmatic99 said:
There was 0 noise about Butler or Kawhi in play for CJ. That is 100% made up.

PG was a maybe but we heard reports of Pritchard unwilling to deal with Portland and Olshey's offers being stupid underwhelming in fears of PG bouncing in his upcoming free agency.

Harden was definitely not RIGHT THERE. Come on now. He only wanted BK or Philly and made a ton of noise about it. The Portland rumor came about only to push Houston to make a move. And why would a clearly rebuilding Houston want CJ in the first place?
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We also had a recent rumor on here that Neil offered everything but Dame and Roco for Simmons. But everyone is going to ignore that one and go with the untouchable one instead, because it fits their preferred bitching.
 
illmatic99 said:
Well, if you believe Windhorst, Neil's plan is to play this year out and see how Chauncey changes things, and then throw an extension (~2yrs, 100 mil) Dame's way come summer as a way to entice him to stay.
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Can Dame be extended next off season with two more years on his contract, with an option for a third?
 
blazerkor said:
Can Dame be extended next off season with two more years on his contract, with an option for a third?
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Windhorst has been on this for the past week in multiple podcasts. It's an extension for two more years after his current one is over. Apparently that's allowed in the current CBA.
 
RR7 said:
We also had a recent rumor on here that Neil offered everything but Dame and Roco for Simmons. But everyone is going to ignore that one and go with the untouchable one instead, because it fits their preferred bitching.
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I get the frustration cuz i too would be absolutely pissed at the idea of dismissing a CJ for Simmons idea.

But i dunno about making up stuff from the past to fit the narrative about Olshey.
 
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Idog1976 said:
I keep wondering when this CA team LIE will finally die on this board. Its fake, false and fraudulent.

As to your question, there is no other impact player available and we got one season to please Dame. Its Simmons or bye bye Dame.
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Whoa, take a breath Idog. I'm not sure where you're getting this information that the California team report is a "LIE", but please share your information if you have it. I'm just going with published reports: https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/w...-simmons-prefers-trade-three-california-teams

And you seriously believe that there are no other impact players who are available or will be by the trade deadline? That seems inconsistent with what happens nearly every year in the NBA with major trades starting in late December. Also, I'm not sure that Dame is all-in on trading CJ; they're pretty good buddies.
 
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