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barfo said:
Does anyone appeal to Bernie voters except Bernie? Who in 2016 would have worked?

barfo
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To answer my own question, I guess since half of 2016 Bernie voters are now voting for Biden, maybe Hillary should have chosen Biden as her VP.

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crandc said:
My money if I had any would be on Klobuchar or Harris. Klobuchar is closest politically and from a swing state. But still leaves an all white ticket. Harris checks that box, and while California is very blue, it narrowly went for Sanders. I don't think Warren, she's from same region of the country, she's 70, and she would not win Sanders supporters who for the most part think she "took" votes from him.
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Having spent a lot of time in the mid west, even dem's view any politician from the CA. OR. WA. as suspect.
 
barfo said:
Does anyone appeal to Bernie voters except Bernie? Who in 2016 would have worked?

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You expect me to remember 4 years ago! What is this nonsense lol.
I'm not really sure. Even a pick like EW who had similar policies (IMO) to Bernie I don't know if she would get young people to go out. I think part of the issue here is demographics, Bernie is most popular with the group that turns up the least. I guess the other question, is how many people vote based on a VP pick?
 
Hoopguru said:
I don't think Sanders voters will come out in big numbers.
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Any strategy that relies on Sanders voters voting in large numbers will fail, as Bernie is currently proving.

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TorturedBlazerFan said:
You expect me to remember 4 years ago! What is this nonsense lol.
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I told you it would be on the test.

I'm not really sure. Even a pick like EW who had similar policies (IMO) to Bernie I don't know if she would get young people to go out. I think part of the issue here is demographics, Bernie is most popular with the group that turns up the least. I guess the other question, is how many people vote based on a VP pick?
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Probably very very few, unless the VP pick is disastrous (see: Palin, Sarah).

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yankeesince59 said:
^^^call it pandering if you want, but getting elected is always the main goal. So Biden picking someone who can actually help the ticket is priority one. As far as being qualified, who do you see as better viable VP choices other than the females who've been mentioned?
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That's exactly what the main stream media and the DNC have done by helping Joe and his come back.
 
barfo said:
I told you it would be on the test.



Probably very very few, unless the VP pick is disastrous (see: Palin, Sarah).

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Right which would be an argument that picking the most, "dull" VP candidate may be the best strategy, let the person shine who's running for president and don't ruffle any feathers with a VP pick that could cause people to "not" vote.
 
barfo said:
Why? Kaine is totally bland and non-offensive. I suppose you mean because she didn't pick Bernie himself? No one would ever pick Bernie as a VP.

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Yes we need more totally bland candidates to inspire the people!
 
barfo said:
Any strategy that relies on Sanders voters voting in large numbers will fail, as Bernie is currently proving.

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It should be part of the strategy because some of them vote. Alternatively you could just make sure they dont vote by alienating them.
 
yankeesince59 said:
She's only relevant because people of your ilk are still trying to make her relevant.
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Let me ask you a question: Do you think if Hillary - someone who literally came within a few thousand votes (my guess ism you voted for her) of becoming our President - were to go on the stump for Biden, would she be of any help to him? Would he appreciate her support?
 
ABM said:
Let me ask you a question: Do you think if Hillary - someone who literally came within a few thousand votes (my guess ism you voted for her) of becoming our President - were to go on the stump for Biden, would she be of any help to him? Would he appreciate her support?
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Well, I didn't vote for Hillary...and I'm not necessarily aligned with the Democratic party...but I can't imagine Democrats wanting anything to do with her because I think she can only do more harm than good.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Well, I didn't vote for Hillary...and I'm not necessarily aligned with the Democratic party...but I can't imagine Democrats wanting anything to do with her because I think she can only do more harm than good.
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What did she do (or not do) to put herself in this position? I mean - again - she was that close to becoming our President. Was she not?
 
ABM said:
What did she do (or not do) to put herself in this position? I mean - again - she was that close to becoming our President. Was she not?
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Not sure if that's a rhetorical question or you're simply being coy or what...but I'm sure a simple google search would answer your question.

But I would imagine there are about as many people who would not vote for her as there are those who would not vote for Trump... and can't stand either.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Not sure if that's a rhetorical question or you're simply being coy or what...but I'm sure a simple google search would answer your question.

But I would imagine there are about as many people who would not vote for her as there are those who would not vote for Trump... and can't stand either.
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But, again, half the country voted for her. I would imagine Biden might like some of those votes. I'd guess a large number of potential votes than those who hate(d) Hillary, yet won't vote for Trump combined.

At any rate, I certainly wouldn't classify her as being irrelevant.
 
ABM said:
But, again, half the country voted for her. I would imagine Biden might like some of those votes. I'd guess a large number of potential votes than those who hate(d) Hillary, yet won't vote for Trump combined.

At any rate, I certainly wouldn't classify her as being irrelevant.
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Sorry, but yes, Hillary is irrelevant...not sure what this obsession you're currently having with her but she's already said she's not endorsing anyone.

...give it a rest.
 
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ABM said:
But, again, half the country voted for her. I would imagine Biden might like some of those votes.
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It's pretty hard to imagine a Hillary voter who would vote for Trump over Biden. Biden doesn't need her endorsement to get her voters, and he doesn't want her endorsement because it will just antagonize the Hillary haters.

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donkiez said:
It should be part of the strategy because some of them vote. Alternatively you could just make sure they dont vote by alienating them.
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I'm doing my best but it's hard work.

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barfo said:
It's pretty hard to imagine a Hillary voter who would vote for Trump over Biden. Biden doesn't need her endorsement to get her voters.....
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Uhh, uhh, uh, uh, uh....he might.
 
ABM said:
Uhh, uhh, uh, uh, uh....he might.
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I have this funny feeling that I have more insight into how Hillary voters think than you do. But I admit that feeling could be incorrect...

barfo
 
barfo said:
I have this funny feeling that I have more insight into how Hillary voters think than you do. But I admit that feeling could be incorrect...

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Gee, well, ya got me there. Not to say she's not entirely relevant, though. My main observation/question in this discourse is that Hillary may very well endorse Joe...and what that might mean....if anything.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hil...biden-jimmy-fallon-election-experience-2020-3
  • Hillary Clinton appeared on "Jimmy Fallon Tonight" on Wednesday night, where Fallon asked her about her take on the results from Super Tuesday.
  • Fallon made a pointed question about Joe Biden's tremendous successes, Clinton sang Biden's praises, describing him as a candidate that "has the experience" and "knows what needs to be done."
  • Although Clinton had previously stated that she would not formally endorse any candidate in the 2020 primary, some believe her interview with the late-night host was effectively an endorsement for Joe Biden.
 
If I follow ABM's logic, if the Democrats want to win, they should persuade Hillary to endorse Trump.
 
I have this funny feeling that Trump is going to dump Pence and make Hillary Clinton his running mate at the convention. She's highly relevant of late, after all.

What are Republicans doing?
 
ABM said:
Awww..c'mon, yankee.....these cats change their collective minds all the time. You should know that. Heh. Besides, speculation abounds in these parts.

BTW, FWIW......

https://www.businessinsider.com/hil...biden-jimmy-fallon-election-experience-2020-3
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Biden very likely already has any vote Hillary got and then some...besides, as you've conveniently stated whenever it met your Trump narrative du jour, the popular vote didn't matter last time, did it?

Not sure what point you're trying to make here...not sure that you have one.
 
H.C. said:
It's pandering. Just like mayor pete did with the food he ate.
Pick the most qualified. Who gives a shit about gender. I certainly don't. Saying you're going to pick a x gender or x race to be your VP is 100% pandering.
Warren during her campaign showed herself to be less than qualified to be president. Does that mean she'd be a unqualified VP? Don't know.
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Well, that position always seems to translate into "hire a straight white man".
 
I think there are tons of "qualified" vice presidential picks, men and women. No one is a clear-cut "most qualified." That being the case, diversity has its own benefit--bringing a different lived experience and worldview can provide the administration a more well-rounded view on how to proceed on issues.
 
Minstrel said:
I think there are tons of "qualified" vice presidential picks, men and women. No one is a clear-cut "most qualified."
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Actually, there is one Democrat with 8 years of directly relevant experience. Biden should pick himself as VP.

I guess Al Gore would work also.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Actually, there is one Democrat with 8 years of directly relevant experience. Biden should pick himself as VP.
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He has experience, but is he really the most qualified? Biden is experiencing dementia (or so I've heard from internet doctors)...I wouldn't trust him in the VP role. So I hope he picks someone else.
 
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