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TorturedBlazerFan said:
My personal opinion is education is a really big topic that should be discussed and we focus on the financial aspect because of college, but I know so many engineers who have similar stories to mine of just being so bored out of our minds in school, being forced to take classes simply because the school system says we have to even if they have nothing whatsoever to do with our degree’s. I value education, I literally take 8-10 courses a year since 2013ish through, Udemy, Coursera, EdX, udacity. So I see it as important but I think only half of the answer is make it free.

edit: Oh and yes I have worked with several engineers who are like 150k in debt and not very skilled coming out of college - Which is ok we all start somewhere but if their going to put someone that in debt they should at least have the basic skills they need...
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Well, my opinion is that we used to have socialized education in the days when high-school education was what was required for most jobs (we still have that today, to the high-school level) - and no-one was yelling about communism. Unfortunately, the world has moved on and many jobs of the modern world require advanced education that is not covered at the high-school level, so the right thing to do (for the economy) - is to invest in this kind of education - if it is by fully covering college level education or a big increase in government funding of educational facilities via research grants as was done before - is really nothing more than going back to the days of the past - where the government invested in it's workforce by subsidizing education.
 
andalusian said:
Well, my opinion is that we used to have socialized education in the days when high-school education was what was required for most jobs (we still have that today, to the high-school level) - and no-one was yelling about communism. Unfortunately, the world has moved on and many jobs of the modern world require advanced education that is not covered at the high-school level, so the right thing to do (for the economy) - is to invest in this kind of education - if it is by fully covering college level education or a big increase in government funding of educational facilities via research grants as was done before - is really nothing more than going back to the days of the past - where the government invested in it's workforce by subsidizing education.
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We need to move on though. Schooling should largely be done online, through electronic devices (it would cost a lot less to give every kid a laptop), even at young ages kids should be able to start learning at their own pace (within reason obviously, because some kids would just choose not too). We have technology at our disposal, we don't need to stuff kids into oversized classrooms, give them 8 hours a day of nothing, then send them home with tons of homework so they end up doing school for like 12 hours a day, with an education system that is obsessed with standardized testing and short term memorization. Sure certain children need independent help whether it's because of learning disabilities, or whatever the case is, and also yes some professions need hands-on experience, surgeons need to be able to pass rigid testing, pilots, high-risk jobs I get that. Revolutionizing our education system to the current century would be overall way more cost-effective and flat out better prepare kids for the real world. One of the reasons I'm homeschooling my kids is my wife's family did that and all of them were done and graduated with HS at the ages of 14-15, and well on their way to advanced education (a couple of them college, and the others to other routes). I realize that parents find that a nightmare because their kids have more time and the education system isn't their babysitting anymore, and I get that. I also understand social needs but there are plenty of ways to get social interaction if people seek it. I know there are issues with my ideas as well and it doesn't cover everything and every situation but covering up the fact our education system is pretty awful long before college-age isn't really going to help. Especially if like I said College isn't actually getting students the skills they need anyways. I've hired a few engineers straight from college and I can tell you their learning curve just to do basic stuff is immense, it's like 3-6 months before we even really expect anything useful out of them. I think the answer isn't going back to the past, it's understanding technology is an incredible tool for education.
 
Funny, if a woman said she had three unplanned pregnancies she'd be called an irresponsible slut using legal abortion to get out of consequences. Man says he caused three unplanned pregnancies now wants others to have no choice.

Problem isn't ABM giving an opinion that he thinks abortion is wrong. He wants to change the law so every woman is forced to carry every pregnancy to term in every situation. And is supporting a vicious corrupt pathological liar proving he is unfit in a crisis, in order to force his will on women.

Still unforgivable. Men who force themselves on women know what they are doing. They want to cause pain.
 
PS The most pro life president ever just personally ordered the CDC to remove posters with information on how to prevent Corona virus from immigration courts. CDC had posters in several languages so immigrants would get the information. Trump would rather they all just die.
 
OMG, Biden told someone who seemed to be looking for a confrontation that they were "full of shit"?

Well, welcome to the United States of the Offended.
 
crandc said:
Funny, if a woman said she had three unplanned pregnancies she'd be called an irresponsible slut using legal abortion to get out of consequences. Man says he caused three unplanned pregnancies now wants others to have no choice.

Problem isn't ABM giving an opinion that he thinks abortion is wrong. He wants to change the law so every woman is forced to carry every pregnancy to term in every situation. And is supporting a vicious corrupt pathological liar proving he is unfit in a crisis, in order to force his will on women.

Still unforgivable. Men who force themselves on women know what they are doing. They want to cause pain.
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This is how I responded to you. I think I was a bit nicer than you gave me credit for:

ABM said:
I understand, and I respect your values/opinions.

As an aside, one of the abortions I went through, I had been living with my girlfriend for about three years when she god pregnant. I guess she felt finances would be an issue, so she decided to go ahead and get the abortion. I SO much wanted to be a dad! However, I completely supported her decision..and we went through with it. I think, later on, she regretted that decision, though. Anyway, not exactly sure why I'm sharing with with you...other than to say, I was committed to her...and whatever decision she decided to make. I knew all along that it was due to MY irresponsibility i.e. (lack of protection, etc.) that led to our so-called predicament.

It's a very difficult question. Truthfully, I'm more supported of effective education on the matter, as opposed to laws governing it.
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ABM said:
Bernie ain't my huckleberry.
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Well,

I am having problems following your logic.

You said:

ABM said:
Truthfully, I'm more supported of effective education on the matter, as opposed to laws governing it.
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Bernie supports helping many more get education. Trump just called for a cut of $5.6 billion in the department of education funding.

Maybe it is time to introduce your voting hand with your typing hand...

Unless you equate education efficiency with the kind of success Trump University had... you are just contradicting yourself.
 
donkiez said:
But Bernie supporters are so mean on the internet, they hurt my feelings.
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andalusian said:
Well,

I am having problems following your logic.

You said:



Bernie supports helping many more get education. Trump just called for a cut of $5.6 billion in the department of education funding.

Maybe it is time to introduce your voting hand with your typing hand...

Unless you equate education efficiency with the kind of success Trump University had... you are just contradicting yourself.
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Health education can be part of any school curriculum. That ain't going away. Plus, I'd love to see more advocacy group upstarts.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
She hasnt exposed anything because no one is paying attention.
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Also, because there was no such thing to expose. Just another wild eyed figment of the imagination of some people.
 
Is Bernard down for the count? Does Joe have enough for a knock out blow?
I wish Tulsi was in the next debate but the DNC doesn't want any gal running against two old white dudes.
 
Hoopguru said:
Is Bernard down for the count? Does Joe have enough for a knock out blow?
I wish Tulsi was in the next debate but the DNC doesn't want any gal running against two old white dudes.
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Actually she doesn't have much support.
 
Hoopguru said:
Is Bernard down for the count? Does Joe have enough for a knock out blow?
I wish Tulsi was in the next debate but the DNC doesn't want any gal running against two old white dudes.
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It's all over but the celebrating. It's virtually certain that there will be a President Biden.
 
VP Kamala Harris?
Attorney General Adam Schiff?
Secretary of Education Elizabeth Warren?
Senate majority leader Bernie Sanders?

I could live with that.
 
I don't think Harris would be a bad pick at all.

And considering his background/experience, I think Schiff would make an excellent AG.
 
Sanders would be able to put forward his agenda but would be constrained by the more cautious Nancy Pelosi. Doubt it will happen, just a thought I had.
 
crandc said:
VP Kamala Harris?
Attorney General Adam Schiff?
Secretary of Education Elizabeth Warren?
Senate majority leader Bernie Sanders?

I could live with that.
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I think Pamela Harris is better positioned to be Attorney General.
I've been trying to think of a Cabinet position for Pete Buttigieg.
I think Warren would be better at the position of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development or Labor.
 
Kamala. Did your auto correct make her Pamela?

Warren was a teacher, not sure what housing experience she has.

But this admittedly is all speculation.
 
Lanny said:
I've been trying to think of a Cabinet position for Pete Buttigieg.
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Someone suggested UN Ambassador.
Alternatives: Veteran's Affairs, Commerce, Chief of Staff.

barfo
 
crandc said:
Kamala. Did your auto correct make her Pamela?

Warren was a teacher, not sure what housing experience she has.

But this admittedly is all speculation.
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I have poor eyesight due to combat related injuries. I apologize for the inconvenience this may incur. I too am a tad inconvenienced.
There are a number of positions that could be affected by the Consumer Protection Agency of which I believe Warren was the principal sponsor.
 
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