Best shot of the season!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[barfo]

well start disallowing short corner 3's where the dudes feet are right next to the baseline then

I'm not sure. I interpret "directly behind the backboard" as "passing through the space mapped out by moving the backboard horizontally backwards into the stands, maintaining the height and attitude of the backboard". Or something like that.

Corner shots couldn't pass through that space.

barfo

 

[jlprk]

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_8.html?nav=ArticleList

"b. Any ball that rebounds or passes directly behind the backboard, in either direction, from any point is considered out-of-bounds."

Man, that's going to include when a guy is holding the ball under the hoop and moves his hands under the backboard while holding the ball. Or when a rebounder rebounds and cocks back his arm to throw the ball downcourt and his hand passes under the backboard. Or when a dribbler goes backdoor but keeps on dribbling right through and runs under the backboard.

What I notice from both the links that HCP found (what an unexpected brain he is, does he have the rules memorized?) is the word "directly." So a shot from the corner is okay, but a shot from "directly" behind the backboard isn't. I envision a shadow, perpendicular 90 degrees behind the backboard.

 

[barfo]

"b. Any ball that rebounds or passes directly behind the backboard, in either direction, from any point is considered out-of-bounds."

Man, that's going to include when a guy is holding the ball under the hoop and moves his hands under the backboard while holding the ball. Or when a rebounder rebounds and cocks back his arm to throw the ball downcourt and his hand passes under the backboard. Or when a dribbler goes backdoor but keeps on dribbling right through and runs under the backboard.

I don't think it means behind and under the backboard. I think it means just behind the backboard. That is, if the ball is behind the backboard but 2 feet below the bottom of the backboard, this rule doesn't apply.

barfo

 

[jlprk]

I gotcha. Now that we've figured out when the rule applies, how about, why have the rule? What does it add to the game? What unfair advantage is it intended to prevent? It sure subtracts some entertainment value.

 

[barfo]

I gotcha. Now that we've figured out when the rule applies, how about, why have the rule? What does it add to the game? What unfair advantage is it intended to prevent? It sure subtracts some entertainment value.

Unknown. I'll bet if we looked, we'd find that they added that rule because someone did something like Kobe did, and someone with the ear of the rulemakers didn't like it.

barfo

 

[Kaydow]

Man, C'mon! That is probably the worst post in the history of this place! The guy makes a ridiculous shot! Who gives a fuck what the circumstances are. Quit drinking HATORADE and respect an amazing bucket! If you have ever laced 'em up and played real basketball, you have to give props on this one.

I was at least 50% joking. I'm not even really hating on the guy. Jordan used to drive, get fouled, and flip those rediculous shots over his head (facing the opposite direction - where he can't even see the basket) Was some of that for show? Of course. It's possible, IMO, that Kobe saw his chance to make a shot that will be on every highlight reel for the next 20 years (like Larry Bird's shot) Does that really make me a hater? I'll give you that it was an amazing shot

Basketball is entertainment. Watching the playoffs last season, where EVERY Laker win was proceeded by the cameras following Kobe to the locker room tunnel where he greeted his wife and daughter with kisses and hugs. Awwww - what a cute family. The first time I saw it, I thought it was for his corporate "family guy" image. The 8th time I saw it . . . I KNEW it was. So what? With all the money at stake, who wouldn't go along with that? I'm not slamming the guy. Fact is, that circus shot last night could quite possibly make Kobe more money. Could be on an NBA commercial, or an advertisement . . . I can't say he planned it, but I do wonder. And even if he did - good for him. It's actually pretty smart.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...t=AoCkJ5qdCfwj1FpnreLad768vLYF?urn=nba,204184

I love that he started complaining to the ref the second he threw it up because he didn't get a superstar call.

 

[bluefrog]

That's an amazing shot.

Although, if I may channel my inner Maris - Leave it to the anal rapist to make a shot from behind (the basket).

Well played, sir

 

[MARIS61]

FAIL.

Simple shot I make nearly every time playing horse.

I can make it shooting backwards over my head w/2 hands also.

Free throws are harder than that.

 

[Hype #9]

Well played, sir

I gave HCP's wife the shot of the season!

 

[huevonkiller]

The old rule stated it was illegal when the ball went over the backboard (either direction). So imagine the backboard extending up to the roof - if the ball bounced off the rim and hit any part of the imaginary backboard a violation was assessed. We had too many game stoppages when the ball bounced over the edge so we changed the rule to say the ball cannot go directly behind the backboard. That is why I said the backboard is now an imaginary 'tunnel' that goes back, not up to the roof like in the old

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/11/rondo_rules_bir.html

LOS ANGELES(AP) More than two decades ago, after Larry Bird made a shot from behind the backboard that didn't count in a preseason game, the NBA changed the rule on plays like that. Kobe Bryant was glad they did.
Bryant duplicated Bird's memorable shot and finished with 26 points, leading the Los Angeles Lakers to a 101-85 rout of the Oklahoma City Thunder on Sunday night and adding yet another clip to his a 14-year NBA highlight reel.

.....

''I was aware that the rule was changed and that you could do that,'' said the 11-time All-Star and 2008 MVP, acknowledging that even he was amazed when it went in. ''It was just lucky. We had a rabbit's foot on. I thought I was going to get a three-point play. It seemed like an obvious call to me - when the guy just hip-checks you to try to push you out of bounds. I just tried to get enough height on it so that it cleared the board. It was like a putt.''

Source: CNNSI

 

[Mote]

well start disallowing short corner 3's where the dudes feet are right next to the baseline then

What part of "(9) Ball passing directly behind backboard " do you not understand?

 

[huevonkiller]

What part of "(9) Ball passing directly behind backboard " do you not understand?

This part.

Edit, from the first vid it looked like it was illegal. Now seeing the shot from another perspective, it is hard to tell.

Too bad they didn't show the shot from the opposite side of the court. That would give the best perspective on it. You could see if the ball was behind the "funnel".

 

[huevonkiller]

From another thread

It is actually pretty complicated, the video has been looked at.

Should Bryant's shot have been disallowed as well? A recent rule change actually allows shots from angles behind the basket. As explained by a league spokesman, the key is whether the ball travels through an imaginary box that extends backward in the dimensions of the backboard (similar to the invisible "cylinder" that goes up from the rim for goaltending purposes). For example, a shot launched from near the rim on the back side of the glass that went straight over the backboard and dropped through the hoop would not be legal because it would have traveled through the imaginary box. However, a ball can travel over the imaginary box.

From the replays it's difficult to tell if the ball went through the box before it reached its apex. The best look is from the overhead angle at the :29 mark of the video.

Bryant didn't have a name for the shot, just a description: "Lucky."

The rule is confusing, but my interpretation of it would be a ball arcing toward the basket from behind the backboard is legal and a ball arcing away from the backboard would be illegal.



Here's another one that counted from Peja.

 

[DennisRodman]

Peja's shot is clear as day that those are made a lot of the time, by plenty of players and are clearly considered legal by the new rule.

Gay and Kobe's shots are close and hard to tell if they pass the line where the shot becomes illegal.

They might be passing through the "funnel" but it's hard to tell without an angle from the opposite end of the court, preferrably with the camera mounted at backboard level height, but even from the ground it would give a better view that all the other camera shots we've gotten.

I'm leaning towards Kobe's shot is actually legal, but barely. The opposite court perspective though would make it clear as day though.