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jonnyboy said:
Not really about the cognitive issues. Say what you will about his temperment, tweets, what have you. There are ample legitimate criticisms of Trump. He’s not suffering from senior cognitive decline/dementia though. Biden clearly is.
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jonnyboy said:
Trump isn’t suffering from senior dementia. He’s just not. If you think whatever makes Trump a douche is attributed to dementia you are wrong and need to focus on more legitimate criticisms.
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Sorry, but suggesting drinking bleach, hitting the inside of the body with UV light, etc, etc, etc is NOT a cognizant individual. Or at least not the kind that should be leading this country. Argue all you want, Trump is no more mentally capable of being president than Biden. He has proven that very single day of his White House occupation. It has been more than accurately documented. If mental competencies are the measuring stick, Trump loses every damn time.
 
jonnyboy said:
Trump isn’t suffering from senior dementia. He’s just not.
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Neither is Biden, and it's only stupid conspiracy theories that allege so. I was pointing out that Trump is just as gaffe prone, he's constantly unable to pronounce words correctly, he wanders off on wild tangents, etc. If Trump were the Democrat, I'm pretty sure you'd be screaming about how he was the one with dementia and it's "senior abuse" to keep him as President. (I don't believe that, but that's what you'd be saying.)

I don't think either man is suffering from "senior dementia." Biden has been gaffe-prone his entire public life, he's obviously just a bad public speaker. If the important part of being President, to me, was public speaking, I'd be concerned. While it's good to have a President who can speak well, I consider that a more minor part of the job.
 
HailBlazers said:
Lol, okay bro.. He's going to be an EIGHTY year old POTUS.
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Nothing slips past you. Except that Trump is 74 and struggles even more with public speaking. I mean, we get it--you and johnnyboy like Trump and dislike Biden. I'm okay with that.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Sorry, but suggesting drinking bleach, hitting the inside of the body with UV light, etc, etc, etc is NOT a cognizant individual. Or at least not the kind that should be leading this country. Argue all you want, Trump is no more mentally capable of being president than Biden. He has proven that very single day of his White House occupation. It has been more than accurately documented. If mental competencies are the measuring stick, Trump loses every damn time.
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UV light injection therapy is actually a real thing Not saying it was smart or whatever with COVID I have no idea, but that treatment has been around for a while.
The rest I mostly agree with.
 
Minstrel said:
Nothing slips past you. Except that Trump is 74 and struggles even more with public speaking. I mean, we get it--you and johnnyboy like Trump and dislike Biden. I'm okay with that.
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Nah you don't. I was pissed in 2016 when the Media gave Trump front and center stage. He's done nothing positive for conservatives. It's just shocking to me how so many really smart people can see past Biden's obvious decline.
 
Minstrel said:
Nothing slips past you. Except that Trump is 74 and struggles even more with public speaking. I mean, we get it--you and johnnyboy like Trump and dislike Biden. I'm okay with that.
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I think they struggle in different ways with speaking. One appears to be thinking way too much and confusing himself which leads to stammering, drifting off as he tries to formulate the thoughts. The other really doesn't think at all and the mouth just kinda keeps moving even when the brain isn't going anywhere.

Not sure anyone can deny that the appeal for most "Biden" voters is the idea of who they can put around him, and kind of have an hands-off president. Whether it's cognitive decline or whatever I think the appeal for most is that he'll let other people make a lot of the really important decisions.

Trump on the other hand has a gigantic ego and ignores everyone to make his own decisions.

Like it or not there are pro's and cons to both approaches in that regards.
 
HailBlazers said:
Nah you don't. I was pissed in 2016 when the Media gave Trump front and center stage. He's done nothing positive for conservatives. It's just shocking to me how so many really smart people can see past Biden's obvious decline.
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Everyone declines at some point. "Senior dementia" is ridiculous, though. I have a hard time crediting people who think Biden has a cognitive problem but Trump is fine. I actually don't think either person is mentally unfit for the job (Trump I consider unfit for other reasons), but both can't consistently keep it together when talking at length.
 
Minstrel said:
Everyone declines at some point. "Senior dementia" is ridiculous, though. I have a hard time crediting people who think Biden has a cognitive problem but Trump is fine. I actually don't think either person is mentally unfit for the job (Trump I consider unfit for other reasons), but both can't consistently keep it together when talking at length.
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I kinda of think both are unfit for the job, this has nothing to do with the republican/democrat thing. Part of being a leader is being able to make quick, important decisions, and communicate those decisions clearly. Especially in times of war or really most foreign policy stuff. I think Biden's likely to get talked over and ran over diplomatically, and Trumps well... yikes. You can be a strong, good communicator without being brash, without being insulting, Trumps not that... However I don't know if I'd trust Biden to get the "best" for the US when communicating to Xi, or Putin either (not that Trump does now...).
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Sorry, but suggesting drinking bleach, hitting the inside of the body with UV light, etc, etc, etc is NOT a cognizant individual. Or at least not the kind that should be leading this country. Argue all you want, Trump is no more mentally capable of being president than Biden. He has proven that very single day of his White House occupation. It has been more than accurately documented. If mental competencies are the measuring stick, Trump loses every damn time.
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You forgot nuking hurricanes.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I kinda of think both are unfit for the job, this has nothing to do with the republican/democrat thing. Part of being a leader is being able to make quick, important decisions, and communicate those decisions clearly. Especially in times of war or really most foreign policy stuff. I think Biden's likely to get talked over and ran over diplomatically
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That's possible, certainly, but I'm not convinced that because he's not great at speaking extemporaneously, he's also bad at making quick, solid decisions. I think he's bad at a very specific thing--navigating how to express his thoughts to a wide audience with competing belief systems, which leads to comments on race that sound awkward or ignorant or whatnot. That makes him bad at communicating in national interviews, but doesn't necessarily make him bad at communicating with his team in private or with another world leader.

I mean, he might be bad at that too. I'm not here to say he's clearly great at that. But the issue I've seen with him in public speaking to the nation at large doesn't automatically mean he's incapable of communicating in other contexts.
 
Minstrel said:
That's possible, certainly, but I'm not convinced that because he's not great at speaking extemporaneously, he's also bad at making quick, solid decisions. I think he's bad at a very specific thing--navigating how to express his thoughts to a wide audience with competing belief systems, which leads to comments on race that sound awkward or ignorant or whatnot. That makes him bad at communicating in national interviews, but doesn't necessarily make him bad at communicating with his team in private or with another world leader.

I mean, he might be bad at that too. I'm not here to say he's clearly great at that. But the issue I've seen with him in public speaking to the nation at large doesn't automatically mean he's incapable of communicating in other contexts.
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That's fair, it's almost impossible for any of us to know how someone is in situations we haven't seen them in.
I guess it's just my impression of how they both interact when on camera. Neither one of them really incite a lot of confidence for me when it comes to speaking and making good decisions while speaking.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
That's fair, it's almost impossible for any of us to know how someone is in situations we haven't seen them in.
I guess it's just my impression of how they both interact when on camera. Neither one of them really incite a lot of confidence for me when it comes to speaking and making good decisions while speaking.
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Do you know that Biden had a stuttering problem when he was younger. That often never goes away completely? trump on the other hand is just a dummy.

https://niemanreports.org/articles/biden-stutter/
 
CupWizier said:
Do you know that Biden had a stuttering problem when he was younger. That often never goes away completely? trump on the other hand is just a dummy.

https://niemanreports.org/articles/biden-stutter/
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Yeah, I'm aware, but listening to his speeches and interviews when he was VP to now, he seems to have regressed maybe it's just that his stutter has come back I don't know.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Yeah, I'm aware, but listening to his speeches and interviews when he was VP to now, he seems to have regressed maybe it's just that his stutter has come back I don't know.
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It's his stutter. It never really left. It's been there.
 
Chris Craig said:
It's his stutter. It never really left. It's been there.
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I don't honestly know and that's why you rarely see me engage with the Biden's got whatever brain problem, but I personally believe the way he speaks now compared to a few years ago is quite a bit different. It could very well be the stuttering.
 
Minstrel said:
Neither is Biden, and it's only stupid conspiracy theories that allege so. I was pointing out that Trump is just as gaffe prone, he's constantly unable to pronounce words correctly, he wanders off on wild tangents, etc. If Trump were the Democrat, I'm pretty sure you'd be screaming about how he was the one with dementia and it's "senior abuse" to keep him as President. (I don't believe that, but that's what you'd be saying.)

I don't think either man is suffering from "senior dementia." Biden has been gaffe-prone his entire public life, he's obviously just a bad public speaker. If the important part of being President, to me, was public speaking, I'd be concerned. While it's good to have a President who can speak well, I consider that a more minor part of the job.
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My grandpa also became “gaffe prone” into his 80’s but our family nor the doctor were in complete denial about the situation, and we called it by it’s medical term, not a fun-sounding nickname to try and make ourselves feel better. We also didn’t encourage him to run for any offices.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I don't honestly know and that's why you rarely see me engage with the Biden's got whatever brain problem, but I personally believe the way he speaks now compared to a few years ago is quite a bit different. It could very well be the stuttering.
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Sadly I see it in his eye's as he kind of glares and his speech is a bit slower. Saw that in my father when he hit mid 70's.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I dunno that's the same glare I give my kids at 2 am when they wake me up to tell me they need help wiping their butt...
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Professional politicians are no different than anyone else and/or profession. There is a definite shelf life and the drive and ambition does tail off. Sure, many can go through the motions and milk their careers till 80 plus.
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Hoopguru said:
Professional politicians are no different than anyone else and/or profession. There is a definite shelf life and the drive and ambition does tail off. Sure, many can go through the motions and milk their careers till 80 plus.
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I was mainly just making a joke, different times of day, different circumstances, I'm sharper than in other situations.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Sorry, but suggesting drinking bleach, hitting the inside of the body with UV light, etc, etc, etc is NOT a cognizant individual.
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Sorry but UV treatment of blood is a real thing, and the “drinking bleach” comment never happened. It literally didn’t happen. Trump is clearly not a doctor and it’s pretty obvious he has no clue what he’s talking about when speaking medically. When you have to pull things so far out of context to try and make a point the your argument sort of falls apart.
 
jonnyboy said:
My grandpa also became “gaffe prone” into his 80’s but our family nor the doctor were in complete denial about the situation, and we called it by it’s medical term, not a fun-sounding nickname to try and make ourselves feel better. We also didn’t encourage him to run for any offices.
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Oh, I guess the fact that your grandpa suffered from it makes you quite qualified to diagnose it in others, just from how they appear on TV. Shame we don't have doctors as responsible as you empowered by the government to shut Biden's campaign down. You know, for his sake, not due to any political agenda you might have.
 
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