Big Bang Abandoned in New Model of the Universe

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Further said:
Oh sweet papag, can't handle Julius beating you like a rented mule so you come here to lash out. Sorry bubs, I'm not playing your game. But damn, Julius might as well have been jackhammering your ass with his cock. He fucked you that hard.
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What are you talking about?
 
PapaG said:
So who could build something so complex? Was the beginning of the universe just a random event that led us to right now based on luck?
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It was due to Obama's incompetence. Think of all possible histories of the universe as all of your Benghazi threads combined.
 
PapaG said:
So who could build something so complex? Was the beginning of the universe just a random event that led us to right now based on luck?
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Each 4-D space-time is an alternative history. An infinite number exist side by side within a 5th dimension, just as a line contains an infinite number of points, a plane contains infinite lines, and a space contains an infinite number of planes.

Only a very few histories could have produced us as we know it. All other histories produced monstrous realities. It seems "lucky" but the cause is "randomness." See? All possible outcomes came true, and only this one made us possible. It's not luck or God. It's the only one in which we could have existed, which is why we "luckily" find ourselves here.
 
It's like, a speck of dust finds himself between Neptune and Pluto. He thinks, "Am I lucky! This is the place to which I am perfectly evolved! The God of Specks must have created this one 3-D universe, perfectly suited for me, in the vast multi-D multiverse! I couldn't be here in any other conditions."

When actually, it was those random conditions which randomly caused our vain conceited dirt speck to be there, not vice versa.
 
Further said:
Tell me what you believe..
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I believe I did. It takes more power than you, me or anybody else has to take the building blocks we knew of and make sentient being. I think that is called creation and all religions acknowledge this power. Some did so before the Christians claim history began. So the time scale differs but the message is the same in all religions. Only Progressive atheist are holdouts, now that takes faith.
 
Ever since I first contemplated "THE UNIVERSE" (3rd grade, Mrs. Stafford's class) the idea of a beginning or end to "EVERYTHING" seemed beyond absurdity to me and still does.

Why people just can't wrap their minds around the concept of infinity beats me. :dunno:
 
MarAzul said:
Well I think that even you have to admit that the human being is greater than the sum of it's parts. Parts being proteins, bone, and DNA. The thing that sets all this apart from what no man can build is the sentient presents. Now I think you must know it is there, or am I completely in error, only conservative T type beings have it, the F type Progressive do not need this essence. That would be strange to be that far off, heck I thought perhaps even a chimpanzee has this essence.
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If someone does not know the difference between "it's" and "its", I don't have to admit anything! Yes, completely in error sums up MarAzul very nicely.

Essence to me is either 1) perfume or 2) a very concentrated stock used in cooking

Now, after that diversion, back to the universe....
 
The Big Bang theory has such weaknesses that it was a matter of time before it was abandoned.

But the idea of no beginning or ending of time seems more hopeless a theory. Even further that everything has always existed makes no sense. How did we get matter?
 
MarAzul said:
I believe I did. It takes more power than you, me or anybody else has to take the building blocks we knew of and make sentient being. I think that is called creation and all religions acknowledge this power. Some did so before the Christians claim history began. So the time scale differs but the message is the same in all religions. Only Progressive atheist are holdouts, now that takes faith.
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How about this
http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/synthetic-genome-life.htm
Artificial Life Springs From Manmade DNA
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And this
http://neurosciencenews.com/researchers-first-dna-artificial-neural-network-artificial-intelligence/
Researchers Create First Artificial Neural Network Out of DNA
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MARIS61 said:
Ever since I first contemplated "THE UNIVERSE" (3rd grade, Mrs. Stafford's class) the idea of a beginning or end to "EVERYTHING" seemed beyond absurdity to me and still does.

Why people just can't wrap their minds around the concept of infinity beats me. :dunno:
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Matter is not infinite.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
The Big Bang theory has such weaknesses that it was a matter of time before it was abandoned.
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What are these weaknesses that cosmologists and physicists have missed? Don't just copy/paste from creationist web sites. Tell us all the evidence that shows Big Bang theory is wrong. And show why all the evidence that seems to indicate Big Bang theory is correct in fact shows no such thing.
 
MarAzul said:
Humans can construct the most complex of multi system machines these days, but no man can construct a person, or any other form of life.
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Just because we haven't to this point doesn't mean we won't at some point in the future. I mean, how long have we been playing with things at the cellular and atomic level? Several decades? And look at how much we've done in the past few decades - it's staggering how quickly we've made advances in knowledge and technology. But because we haven't yet created a lab-grown human that's proof of the existence of god?
And actually, we have created life in the lab. Ever hear of Dolly the cloned sheep?
Also - it's "presence" not "presents".

On a slightly related note, I've always found the Simulation Argument to be interesting: http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
It proposes that at least one of the following statements must be true:

1 - Humans are likely to go extinct before reaching a post-human phase.
2 - Any post-human society would be extremely UNLIKELY to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history.
3 - We are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.
 
crandc said:
What are these weaknesses that cosmologists and physicists have missed? Don't just copy/paste from creationist web sites. Tell us all the evidence that shows Big Bang theory is wrong. And show why all the evidence that seems to indicate Big Bang theory is correct in fact shows no such thing.
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Not all creationists believe that the big bang is wrong. Personally, I believe it is the most logical concept. Doesn't mean it isn't wrong; but nothing else is empirically more right.
 
blue9 said:
Just because we haven't to this point doesn't mean we won't at some point in the future. I mean, how long have we been playing with things at the cellular and atomic level? Several decades? And look at how much we've done in the past few decades - it's staggering how quickly we've made advances in knowledge and technology. But because we haven't yet created a lab-grown human that's proof of the existence of god?
And actually, we have created life in the lab. Ever hear of Dolly the cloned sheep?
Also - it's "presence" not "presents".

On a slightly related note, I've always found the Simulation Argument to be interesting: http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
It proposes that at least one of the following statements must be true:

1 - Humans are likely to go extinct before reaching a post-human phase.
2 - Any post-human society would be extremely UNLIKELY to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history.
3 - We are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.
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This is how far we have come in 50+ years.
This is the first computer that I ever became a user of on a get the job done basis.
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It was extremely accurate but it weighed about 4 ton and required the prime spot of minimum motion in both pitch and roll. They actually built ships around this beast. It has to occupy the apex of the curve in mans ability to create complex mechanical systems.
Today they have little bitty ones that weigh in in fractions of an ounce but they are no more accurate. So the bottom line
is weight savings, cost savings but functionally the same.

I say again functionally the same. Our progress in creating a sentient being is also right about the same.
 
crandc said:
If someone does not know the difference between "it's" and "its", I don't have to admit anything! Yes, completely in error sums up MarAzul very nicely.

Essence to me is either 1) perfume or 2) a very concentrated stock used in cooking

Now, after that diversion, back to the universe....
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Ah, that was a grand contribution my lady. Way to jump right in there. Do you get paid for contributions like this at work?
 
magnifier661 said:
I know what you know. And according to what we know; matter is not infinite. If you think otherwise; I would like to read why you think it is.
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I don't think anything. there is no way to know either way. only bad philosophical arguments that prove nothing.
 
I've always been kind of in the middle on this topic.

Too many holes in the Big Bang and a creator who needed to rest on the 7th day is insultingly absurd. I laughed this off by the age of 7.

Whatever and however it happened is beyond human comprehension IMO.
 
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