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sabas would be good because oden seems like a willing and pretty decent passing big man and sabas was the king of that shit!
 
oldmangrouch said:
Depends on your priorities.

Mutombo, if he was interested, would be good for Oden's defensive development.

If you want to improve his footwork and low-post moves, former Blazer Steve Johnson would be great. He had tremendous moves in the post, despite having the worst knees this side of Bill Walton.
Zo would be the best (in theory) as he could actually hurt folks at both ends of the floor. I would worry, however, that his ferocity would be a bad fit with Oden's stoic demeanor.
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Walton's problems were his feet not his knees unless that bothered him later.
 
mgb said:
Walton's problems were his feet not his knees unless that bothered him later.
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Actually, the feet came later. His knees were already a mess when he was at UCLA. He needed therapy and heat-packs before every game, with more therapy and ice-packs afterwards.
 
I'm not sure why you'd consider anyone other than the greatest big man ever to play for the Blazers, Jason Jennings. He's tanned, rested, and ready. Ok, probably not tanned or ready, but he's certainly rested.

barfo
 
I always hated Zo, but I just looked up his rookie stats, and holy CRAP! The guy averaged 21 ppg, 10 rpg, & 3.5 bpg in 34 minutes! 51% FG shooting. 78% free throw shooting. Amazing. But every big man takes years to develop, right?
 
No, just Oden because he sucks dick and is a failure at life.
 
KingSpeed said:
I always hated Zo, but I just looked up his rookie stats, and holy CRAP! The guy averaged 21 ppg, 10 rpg, & 3.5 bpg in 34 minutes! 51% FG shooting. 78% free throw shooting. Amazing. But every big man takes years to develop, right?
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Of course he sat out a year because of knee surgery so they are a perfect comparison. Wow, did you really say that? Most stuff you make sense when you talk about it, but if I judge your posting only by Oden I'd probably have you on ignore.
 
I don't think Zo is going to move from Miami to Portland.
 
I'm trying to remember the name of the former player who ran a Big Man's Camp during the summer - anyone know if that's still going? I know a lot of forwards and centers said it helped them tremendously.
 
crandc said:
I'm trying to remember the name of the former player who ran a Big Man's Camp during the summer - anyone know if that's still going? I know a lot of forwards and centers said it helped them tremendously.
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Pete Newell? He used to have a big man's camp, but he passed away. Kermit Washington however was one of the instructors there
 
Nikolokolus said:
Being an effective coach/teacher usually isn't about having been the best at something, but rather the ability to communicate and demonstrate how something should be done clearly and efficiently. Is that Mychal? I have no idea, but if the team really is going to invest in a big man coach, I care far less about the 'star quality' of that person than I do his reputation/ability as a teacher.
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I agree. Just because a player was a great one, doesn't mean he'd make a great big man coach. I just get reminded of Magic trying to coach the Lakers... or Clyde coaching University of Houston.
Just because you pair Greg with Hakeem, doesn't mean Greg will start putting on the dream shake on opponents (just as an example).
 
Is Patrick Ewing still under contract with the Magic? I think he would be best suited for Greg because he was a very clumsy awkward guy who turned it around through hard work. I really can't see Greg ever becoming Olajuwon-esque on O, if just because nobody else could be that graceful and fluid. But Ewing, despite being clumsy had a very effective offensive game. I don't think Greg needs that much tutoring on the defensive end.

(Ewing actually strikes me as the wrong guy to be tutoring Howard just because Howard is physically nothing like Ewing. David Robinson would be much more appropriate.)
 
Oden needs to be on the first plane to Hakeem's camp tomorrow. That would be perfect.
 
KingSpeed said:
Then why, if he wasn't ready, didn't Greg stay at Ohio State?
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I feel like this is rhetorical. Why would you stay in college, risk injury (ha), when you're guaranteed a number one pick? I mean c'mon, was that even a real question? I wish he had stayed in college, then we wouldn't even have had to draft his lazy unproductive ass.
 
Please just get someone worthwhile! We will go as far as Oden takes us, we need to do everything possible to make him better!
 
top coaches:

1. Hakeem the dream....
2. Zo
3. Sabas

anyone older is too old cant bang in drills and the like while i would love walton to coach him, walton can barely walk anymore...
 
KingSpeed said:
Then why, if he wasn't ready, didn't Greg stay at Ohio State?
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One word: money.

It's the same reason every player that gets a chance enters the NBA draft as soon as they can. If someone told you you could get paid $5 million a year to play basketball, or play for nothing, which would you chose?

There was a time when staying in school meant you'd make more money (higher draft pick) than if you left early. That changed in the 1990s when players like Garnett and Kobe had success going directly from high school to the NBA. Now, staying is school longer often means losing money (Josh McRoberts) - or at the very least, postponing your big payday.

BNM
 
Bwatcher said:
Rick Berry was on the radio some days back, and he recommended Clifford Ray. Berry said that Ray had been coaching big men for two teams already, and the bigs really improved after working with him. I would much rather trust Oden's training to someone with a good "track record" than to someone who should be good but has yet to prove themselves as a coach.
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Clifford Ray would certainly be a good defensive and rebounding coach. for Greg Working with him would probably also help Greg cut down on the fouls - which should be a top priority.

I'm not sure how much Clifford Ray would help Oden on his offensive moves, though.

What big men has Clifford been working with? I'm curious to see how those players have improved on offense. Clifford Ray was a very good defender and pretty decent rebounder, but didn't have much of an offensive game.

BNM
 
Miksaid said:
I feel like this is rhetorical. Why would you stay in college, risk injury (ha), when you're guaranteed a number one pick? I mean c'mon, was that even a real question? I wish he had stayed in college, then we wouldn't even have had to draft his lazy unproductive ass.
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Wow. Sometimes I wonder if Portland fans are just collectively idiots, or individually.
 
julius said:
Wow. Sometimes I wonder if Portland fans are just collectively idiots, or individually.
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Other than you being a huge dick I'd like to add (in my defense) that I don't think you understood the ebb and the flow or the context in which I made that post. I don't know what about the post was wrong other than the Oden shot... in which case, if it bothered you, I'd also like to mention it was done sarcastically and I am in fact his biggest supporter here.
 
julius said:
Wow. Sometimes I wonder if Portland fans are just collectively idiots, or individually.
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Wait, you aren't a fan of the Blazers? I don't post here a ton, but I just always assumed you were.
 
BNM, I don't really have an opinion here, but I do trust Rick Berry quite a bit. His abrasive, egotistical personality rubs many the wrong way, but I see him as a real expert who does know what he is talking about. Anyway, Ray was with Berry when they won a championship for the Warriors, so there is probably good feeling from that. One quick look at an article below kind of summarizes his coaching career. He is currently with the Celts -- Big Baby seems to be benefitting.

http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1549070,042909sptbullside.article

When his playing days were over, Ray was in demand as an assistant coach to tutor power forwards and centers. Motta gave him his first job with the Dallas Mavericks.

Since then, coach after coach has seen that Ray kept busy. He has worked for Washington under Jim Lynam and Bernie Bickerstaff, Orlando under Johnny Davis and Brian Hill, Golden State under Dave Cowens and Brian Winters, Cleveland under John Lucas, Keith Smart and Paul Silas and Boston under Rivers. His list of students includes Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Erick Dampier, Sam Perkins, Chris Webber and Mark Aguirre.

''I like what I do and I don't ever try to do more, and that is teach,'' Ray said. ''I'm a teacher. I work mainly with fours and fives, and I'm a great development coach.''
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Ray has a simple coaching formula.

''The No. 1 thing I try to teach players is what hard work is all about,'' he said. ''I'm talking about long, long hours in the gym, day in and day out. There are no shortcuts or easy roads to success. Being with your girlfriend should never get in the way of you shooting 500 or even 1,000 shots a day, if that's what you're supposed to do. And when game time comes, do your job. If they are depending upon you to get 10 rebounds and 20 points a night, then make sure you get them.''

Rivers has no complaints.

''He has a way of getting big men to work hard, and he gets the best out of them,'' Rivers said. ''He's terrific. He has a lot of basketball knowledge, he's doing a hell of a job and his players really listen to him and trust him.''
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Clifford Ray sounds like a good coach, but it sounds like he's still under contract with the Celtics.
 
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