OT Big troubles for the Pac 12?!?

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Phatguysrule said:
Except all I've heard about Uncle Phil is that he is pushing hard for Ducks to B1G...
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he understands the simple power of money. Starting in 2024 with the new media deal, Big-10 teams will be averaging 50M more than what the Pac-12 teams made on the current media deal....and may not come close to in the next deal. Over the 7 year life of the media contracts, media revenue to Big-10 teams could receive 400 million more than what any Pac-12 teams make. Ove a decade it could be more than a half-billion dollars. That's money to keep good coaches, recruit, upgrade equipment and facilities. That will simply be an insurmountable advantage to compete against. That's a formula for a quick escalating gap between the haves and have nots

I'd like the Ducks to get into the Big-10, but the direction of college sports is really turning me off
 
wizenheimer said:
I'd like the Ducks to get into the Big-10, but the direction of college sports is really turning me off
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I haven't watched college football in 5-6 years now.
I will only watch March Madness basketball at this point. (Or games of individual NBA prospects on youtube for scouting purposes).
 
No idea who this is and if this is accurate.



 
SlyPokerDog said:
No idea who this is and if this is accurate.



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he doesn't have much credibility in NCAA football circles, but he may be right. More and more smoke is filling the air

USC killed the Pac-12. No doubt about it. A little more than a year ago the Pac-12 and Big-12 were talking about forming an alliance and essentially partnering on Media deals. Guess which school vetoed the talks? If you guessed USC you're a winner, And USC did this at the same time they were in secret discussions with the Big-10 to jump conferences. Pure fucking scumbags



Pate is one of the best college football analysts and has one of the best shows
 
I think he's right, though.

I live close to Penn State and have some connections there.

I don't think the USC/UCLA ever was the end game so far as the B1G and the West Coast. The moment the USC/UCLA move was made, it already was being discussed that Oregon and Washington were getting a look or even desired.

Stanford also was part of that talk. The only real question was whether they'd go for more than four, and, if Stanford was brought in, would they come in with Cal, Utah, perhaps someone from the Big 12 or someone from the ACC. But there never was a sense to just have all this cross country flying for Olympic sports just for two schools; essentially there'd be a Western division.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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Id rather see the Ducks in the B12 versus B10.
 
College football should just have Big10 champ play SEC champ. None of the other conferences can compete with those two.

Then have a separate playoff for every other school.
 
Hoopguru said:
Id rather see the Ducks in the B12 versus B10.
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too big a financial disadvantage. Big-10 teams will be receiving 50M more a year than Big-12 teams

for reference, the UofO's total athletic revenue the last 2 or 3 years was in the 103-110M range and that's with about 35M in total tier1, tier2, tier3, March Madness and misc. payments. It would be about the same in the Big-12 and less in the 'new' Pac-12. on the other hand, they would make 40-60% more in the Big 10. 5oM helps hire and keep the best coaches, helps recruiting, a lot, and defrays the costs of Title 9

not only that the gaps will continue to escalate and Oregon's brand will suffer by limited exposure. It may be the only alternative the Ducks have but entry into the Big-10 is necessary to consistently compete on the national stages
 
wizenheimer said:
too big a financial disadvantage. Big-10 teams will be receiving 50M more a year than Big-12 teams

for reference, the UofO's total athletic revenue the last 2 or 3 years was in the 103-110M range and that's with about 35M in total tier1, tier2, tier3, March Madness and misc. payments. It would be about the same in the Big-12 and less in the 'new' Pac-12. on the other hand, they would make 40-60% more in the Big 10. 5oM helps hire and keep the best coaches, helps recruiting, a lot, and defrays the costs of Title 9

not only that the gaps will continue to escalate and Oregon's brand will suffer by limited exposure. It may be the only alternative the Ducks have but entry into the Big-10 is necessary to consistently compete on the national stages
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Yeah, I realize the financial gap would be significant, I spent a lot of time in the mid west around Big10 football junkies and most looked at Oregon as a flash/marketing/gimmick. I guess if there was a legit Western Coast division it would be with several pac12 teams it would be more appealing.
 
Hoopguru said:
Yeah, I realize the financial gap would be significant, I spent a lot of time in the mid west around Big10 football junkies and most looked at Oregon as a flash/marketing/gimmick. I guess if there was a legit Western Coast division it would be with several pac12 teams it would be more appealing.
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Yeah if it was with UW Cal and Standford also going over then its a legit West B10 division. They'd have all the members of the original Pac8 conference except OSU/WSU.
 
Hoopguru said:
Yeah, I realize the financial gap would be significant, I spent a lot of time in the mid west around Big10 football junkies and most looked at Oregon as a flash/marketing/gimmick. I guess if there was a legit Western Coast division it would be with several pac12 teams it would be more appealing.
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Oregon & Washington have have the brands; Oregon has a huge recency advantage and is close to a top-10 draw nationally in media; it's also gets credit for the Portland market because of how heavily it's watched there when televised. Washington has Seattle market, although they have to compete with several professional teams. and the academic and research credentials because of it's med school

Both the UofO and UofW are AAU members which the Big-10 has seemingly set as a minimum requirement for membership unless it's Notre Dame...or Nebraska

so. even though it may be a less than even chance of happening over the next 5 years. if the Big-10 does expand west it would be the Ducks & Huskies. Stanford and Cal match academically, but they have very little fan support. They are a very poor draw for media. Media wants to market to advertisers. Both groups know that Oregon is the best media draw in the Pac-12, even better over the last 15 years than USC and much better than UCLA. Cal & Stanford are extremely poor media draws. So, while some Big-10 presidents are attracted to the academic and research credentials of Cal/Stanford, the media partners want nothing to do with them. Stanford does have the women's and minor sports credentials. IIRC they have won more national championships than any other school. But media doesn't give a shit about women's lacrosse or men's water polo; and neither do most Big-10 schools

In many ways, Utah would make the most sense as a 5th western member. They are AAU, have great football and basketball traditions, have the SLC market, and are strong in women's sports. And they have a rabid fanbase, even though smaller

maybe the biggest opposition to Oregon/Washington joining has little to do with either school. Big-10 administrations are fairly conservative. They are already dealing with adding 2 new members in 2024. Adding 4 or 5 seems too much change for a lot of them
 
https://www.si.com/college/cincinna...g-12-following-pac-12-media-deal-finalization

CINCINNATI — The Big 12 is returning to a 12-member format in 2024, but that reportedly won't last for long. The Swaim Show reports Colorado is moving to the Big 12 and away from the Pac-12.

The Swaim Show also says the Arizona Wildcats are jumping over to the Big 12.

The conference may expand further, but Colorado and Arizona will reportedly be two of the first teams to enter after Oklahoma and Texas join the SEC.
 
Ok, here's an idea: what's left of the pac-12 continues, but to set themselves apart, they switch to Australian rules football.

barfo
 
blazerfan11 said:
https://www.si.com/college/cincinna...g-12-following-pac-12-media-deal-finalization

CINCINNATI — The Big 12 is returning to a 12-member format in 2024, but that reportedly won't last for long. The Swaim Show reports Colorado is moving to the Big 12 and away from the Pac-12.

The Swaim Show also says the Arizona Wildcats are jumping over to the Big 12.

The conference may expand further, but Colorado and Arizona will reportedly be two of the first teams to enter after Oklahoma and Texas join the SEC.
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I'm not saying it won't happen bu the Swaim Report is generally a laughing stock....and Colorado has been on the verge of leaving for the Big-12 for 8 months. Every week it's been: "it will happen this week"

there is more smoke though and there were a lot of Colorado alums who never liked the fit in the Pac-12
 
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