OT Big troubles for the Pac 12?!?

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So they lost USC/UCLA which is going to lose tons of revenue...

lost a ton of money relocating pac12 HQ - how worthless is that office? Just setup a call center in India...

Somehow they got overpaid previously and now have to give some back, what a mess...

ESPN is not interested in a new contract, regional sports networks are going bankrupt, no LA schools, might be a very pathetic new TV deal
 
kind of ironic that it has been the OSU and WSU presidents that to this point have been the most prominent in saying the Pac-12 would be fine. Canzano has basically been a scribe for leaks from OSU

I suspect that WSU is reacting to the possibility, maybe probability, that the Pac-12 will fold because of near-future defections. Could be teams to the Big-12; might be UofO/UofW to Big-10. Whatever the motivation, the media spigot for money for the Pac-12 ends in less than a year

OSU/WSU might not have a conference home option better than the Mountain West. They might go from 30-40M year in TV money in the Pac-12 to 5M/year in the Mountain West. It's pretty unlikely that the Big-12 would extend invitations even if Ducks/Huskies joined the Big-12
 
wizenheimer said:
kind of ironic that it has been the OSU and WSU presidents that to this point have been the most prominent in saying the Pac-12 would be fine. Canzano has basically been a scribe for leaks from OSU

I suspect that WSU is reacting to the possibility, maybe probability, that the Pac-12 will fold because of near-future defections. Could be teams to the Big-12; might be UofO/UofW to Big-10. Whatever the motivation, the media spigot for money for the Pac-12 ends in less than a year

OSU/WSU might not have a conference home option better than the Mountain West. They might go from 30-40M year in TV money in the Pac-12 to 5M/year in the Mountain West. It's pretty unlikely that the Big-12 would extend invitations even if Ducks/Huskies joined the Big-12
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Cal, Stanford, UW, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado all have much bigger TV markets and are all going to be hotter commodities in media rights deals than U of Oregon.

Yes it's probably even far bleaker for WSU OSU. But don't think just because Phil's given U of O money and uniforms that the networks, and thus conferences, will want to shell out for the tiny Oregon TV market. Only thing they care about is TV market size, thus see UCLA in the Big 10.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Cal, Stanford, UW, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado all have much bigger TV markets and are all going to be hotter commodities in media rights deals than U of Oregon.

Yes it's probably even far bleaker for WSU OSU. But don't think just because Phil's given U of O money and uniforms that the networks, and thus conferences, will want to shell out for the tiny Oregon TV market. Only thing they care about is TV market size, thus see UCLA in the Big 10.
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FYI...all of these sports media corporations consider Portland to be be part of the UofO's media market (OSU's as well). That has been substantially reported. It isn't just based upon the local population. Further, the viewership data has consistently shown that the Ducks are the most watched Pac-12 team and the most recognizable brand

with Portland in mind, it then becomes a competition for eyeballs. The Ducks are competing with the Blazers and OSU, and in terms of branding and viewership, OSU isn't really much competition.

you mentioned Cal/Stanford. In a way that's laughable because they are two of the most lowest rated, in terms of media, brands in the conference. Yes, they are in the Bay Area and that's a big population. But, they are competing with each other for eyeballs. Then they also have to compete with the Golden State Warriors, the 49ers, the Oakland A's, the SF Giants, & the San Jose Sharks. Again, the Ducks only have the Blazers in terms of pro competition

Colorado is competing with the Nuggets, the Broncos, the Rockies and the Avalanche. ASU with the Suns, Cardinals, Diamondbacks, & Coyotes

so no, I don't think you are accurate, at all, about the media leverage of the Ducks. If the UofO/UofW went to the Big-12 and asked to join, they'd be accepted by the end of the day. OSU and WSU wouldn't.
 
What a shit show. I just can't understand why no one is offering jack for the Pac 10, F you USC/UCLA. It's a storied conference. I get that it's not as strong as those good ol' boys conference, but it has a a ton of big time history. I can't believe National TV Networks are alienating the West. I just don't get it.
 
tykendo said:
What a shit show. I just can't understand why no one is offering jack for the Pac 10, F you USC/UCLA. It's a storied conference. I get that it's not as strong as those good ol' boys conference, but it has a a ton of big time history. I can't believe National TV Networks are alienating the West. I just don't get it.
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Might have something to do with the population disparity between the east coast and the west coast; as well as the corresponding population growth year-over-year in those areas.

As for history, they've got a whopping 2 national championships sans UCLA and USC, wouldn't exactly call that "big-time history".
 
Can’t the PAC-12 add some good teams outside the West that would like to be playing games in California?
 
tykendo said:
What a shit show. I just can't understand why no one is offering jack for the Pac 10, F you USC/UCLA. It's a storied conference. I get that it's not as strong as those good ol' boys conference, but it has a a ton of big time history. I can't believe National TV Networks are alienating the West. I just don't get it.
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I think the reasons for the hold-up on any media deals is pretty obvious. The Big-1o may still admit the UofO/UofW. Brett Mcmurphy has said that both schools have been "vetted" and essentially passed the process. There is still some reluctance among Big-10 teams though. Not among the media partners. They want the Seattle and Portland media markets and they want Oregon's brand and the Nike connection. Some of the lesser schools in the Big-10 are worried about a dilution of their shares which is why, mainly, it hasn't happened yet. I've been told that neither the UofO or the UofW is accepting a 50% cut of shares for a few years; they want 70-80%, especially if they are the two schools that will have the most night games

anyway, the hold-up on the Pac-12 media deals is because UofO and UofW will not agree to any GOR that locks them in place. And as long as the UofO and UofW are not closing off their options for admittance to the Big-10, Arizona and Colorado (and to a lesser extent, Utah and ASU) are not closing off their their options to join the Big-12. And the media corporations don't want an open-ended GOR that could suddenly leave them with major content holes
 
wizenheimer said:
FYI...all of these sports media corporations consider Portland to be be part of the UofO's media market (OSU's as well). That has been substantially reported. It isn't just based upon the local population. Further, the viewership data has consistently shown that the Ducks are the most watched Pac-12 team and the most recognizable brand

with Portland in mind, it then becomes a competition for eyeballs. The Ducks are competing with the Blazers and OSU, and in terms of branding and viewership, OSU isn't really much competition.

you mentioned Cal/Stanford. In a way that's laughable because they are two of the most lowest rated, in terms of media, brands in the conference. Yes, they are in the Bay Area and that's a big population. But, they are competing with each other for eyeballs. Then they also have to compete with the Golden State Warriors, the 49ers, the Oakland A's, the SF Giants, & the San Jose Sharks. Again, the Ducks only have the Blazers in terms of pro competition

Colorado is competing with the Nuggets, the Broncos, the Rockies and the Avalanche. ASU with the Suns, Cardinals, Diamondbacks, & Coyotes

so no, I don't think you are accurate, at all, about the media leverage of the Ducks. If the UofO/UofW went to the Big-12 and asked to join, they'd be accepted by the end of the day. OSU and WSU wouldn't.
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All of those other teams I mentioned have metro areas double, triple, or much more than the size of Portland. Brand recognition is insignificant - Boise State has blue turf brand recognition just like Oregon's flashy uniforms - no networks are pinning for them.

We will see what happens; I just don't think UofO with a significantly smaller metro area than 6 other PAC schools will be a high target. California schools will be target #1 and #2; then Arizona schools. UW will be much higher than UofO, yes as well as Colorado because of Denver. Maybe the Ducks sneak in with another team, but they aren't a top target of what is left in this pathetic Pac12 er Pac10 or whatever conference.

OSU and WSU are totally screwed if the conference breaks up, no doubt about it, they have even far less appeal than the insignificant Ducks.
 
Tince said:
Not without diluting what will already be a well below market average TV deal.
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Yeah thats the problem, what teams can replace a big portion of the now vacant USC/UCLA market.

Its probably a bad option, but maybe they try to get UC Irvine type of other California schools in the mix.

Maybe combine with a few schools from the Big12 such as some in Texas to open up that whole new region to their market. But the Big12 already lost every in demand team to the SEC.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Yeah thats the problem, what teams can replace a big portion of the now vacant USC/UCLA market.

Its probably a bad option, but maybe they try to get UC Irvine type of other California schools in the mix.

Maybe combine with a few schools from the Big12 such as some in Texas to open up that whole new region to their market. But the Big12 already lost every in demand team to the SEC.
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You'd have to go with a SMU or SDSU type market to have any hope it would dilute the TV deal, in my opinion. I'm guessing the conference is close to done as we know it. I would not be surprised to see more teams leave.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
All of those other teams I mentioned have metro areas double, triple, or much more than the size of Portland. Brand recognition is insignificant - Boise State has blue turf brand recognition just like Oregon's flashy uniforms - no networks are pinning for them.

We will see what happens; I just don't think UofO with a significantly smaller metro area than 6 other PAC schools will be a high target. California schools will be target #1 and #2; then Arizona schools. UW will be much higher than UofO, yes as well as Colorado because of Denver. Maybe the Ducks sneak in with another team, but they aren't a top target of what is left in this pathetic Pac12 er Pac10 or whatever conference.

OSU and WSU are totally screwed if the conference breaks up, no doubt about it, they have even far less appeal than the insignificant Ducks.
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I'm sorry...what you are saying is not anywhere close to what I've been seeing, or reading, or even hearing on the down low. The Ducks are not "insignificant" as a media draw or brand...that assertion is horseshit...are you just trolling?

average TV audience in 2022:

1. Ohio State — 5.80M
2. Alabama — 5.11M
3. Michigan — 4.37M
4. Tennessee — 4.13M
5. Georgia — 3.50M
6. Notre Dame — 3.30M
7. LSU — 3.22M
8. Texas — 3.06M
9. Penn State — 3.05M
10. Clemson — 2.59M
11. Florida — 2.57M
12. Oregon — 2.21M
14. Southern Cal — 2.07M
23. Oklahoma — 1.748M
25. UCLA — 1.591M
26. Wisconsin — 1.587M
29. Baylor — 1.32M
33. Utah — 1.16M
34. Washington — 1.15M
37. Minnesota — 1.05M
41. Washington State — 907K
45. California — 857K
46. North Carolina — 849K
47. Stanford — 846K
48. Syracuse — 841K
56. Pittsburgh — 650K
57. Oregon State — 625K
58. Rutgers — 618K
59. Miami FL— 608K
62. Arizona — 506K
66. Boise State — 353K
67. Colorado — 352.9K
71. Arizona State — 314K
73. Toledo — 306K



LOL....yeah, Colorado and Arizona State are so much bigger of a media draw than Oregon that 7 times as many people tuned into Duck games as ASU and 6 times as many as Colorado. The Bay area is such a big selling point for Cal and Stanford that Oregon by itself outdrew those two schools, combined, by over a half million...each game

Oregon essentially doubled the average viewers of Washington....nothing like the power of Seattle, huh?

Oregon averaged 150K more than USC and 630K more than UCLA...and they are both in a metro area of 13M. Rutgers is in NYC metro and averaged more than 3 times fewer viewers and they have the power of the Big-10 pushing them. How come the Ducks averaged more than 3 times the viewers as Pittsburgh? I mean, Eugene has 250K people and Pittsburgh has 10 times that many; what gives?

this list puts Oregon at 10th:

https://cornhuskerswire.usatoday.com/lists/the-15-most-watched-teams-in-college-football/

the Ducks have been working hard for decades on branding, and branding is critical for these numbers
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I am not saying Oregon will be invited to the Big-10. I think it's probably a less than even chance over the next 5 years. But they are definitely on the Big-10's radar

your contention that Colorado or ASU are more desirable is laughable. There's a lot more to the equations than just looking at city populations
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Yeah thats the problem, what teams can replace a big portion of the now vacant USC/UCLA market.

Its probably a bad option, but maybe they try to get UC Irvine type of other California schools in the mix.

Maybe combine with a few schools from the Big12 such as some in Texas to open up that whole new region to their market. But the Big12 already lost every in demand team to the SEC.
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How about Fresno State? They used to be a pretty good sports franchise.
 
Hopefully Phil can get some of his top notch biz friends together, and figure a way to save the Pac 10. It's worth saving. Having Westcoast teams in a conference based in the mid west or east coast is asinine.
 
tykendo said:
Hopefully Phil can get some of his top notch biz friends together, and figure a way to save the Pac 10. It's worth saving. Having Westcoast teams in a conference based in the mid west or east coast is asinine.
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it's a horrible situation for any traditional way of thought. But it's media dollars driving the train

Bob Dylan: "money doesn't talk, it swears"
 
tykendo said:
Hopefully Phil can get some of his top notch biz friends together, and figure a way to save the Pac 10. It's worth saving. Having Westcoast teams in a conference based in the mid west or east coast is asinine.
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Except all I've heard about Uncle Phil is that he is pushing hard for Ducks to B1G...
 
BBert said:
How about Fresno State? They used to be a pretty good sports franchise.
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Plus they're renovating their stadium. Looks nice. Very similar to Oregon's stadium originally. The reno is going to look cool.
 
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