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I think the Cavs are going to lose a crazy amount of games compared to last season. What is the biggest drop off ever? I know the Celtics and Spurs are up there for wins, but what about loses? Internet geeks, I challenge you!
 
Without doing a ton of research, I'd say that it's the Spurs, who were 59-23 in '96 before going 20-62 after the Admiral got injured in '97, leading to the 36-win jump in '98. I'd be willing to bet that 39 games is the biggest drop-off ever.

EDIT: Forgot about the Bulls post Jordan/Pippen/Jackson. Win % dropped from .756 in '98 to .260 in '99, even a bigger drop than the Spurs.
 
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The 1996-97 Spurs had the steepest one-year decline in NBA history, going from 59 wins to only 20 . . .

(On the bright side, that miserable year won them the right to draft Tim Duncan)
 
The 1996-97 Spurs had the steepest one-year decline in NBA history, going from 59 wins to only 20 . . .

(On the bright side, that miserable year won them the right to draft Tim Duncan)

And thus began the era of tanking.
 
The Cavs are in such a shitty spot now. some good sized contracts and not one single player that I would consider worth building around. Most of their team is absolute shit. Once Jamison and Williams are off the books they will be a little closer to rebuilding, but any way you look at it, they need to get lucky with their picks in the future cause they are devoid of talent.
 
The Cavs are in such a shitty spot now. some good sized contracts and not one single player that I would consider worth building around. Most of their team is absolute shit. Once Jamison and Williams are off the books they will be a little closer to rebuilding, but any way you look at it, they need to get lucky with their picks in the future cause they are devoid of talent.

That team is in a world of hurt. Time to shed salaries and start rebuilding.
 
The Cavs are in such a shitty spot now. some good sized contracts and not one single player that I would consider worth building around. Most of their team is absolute shit. Once Jamison and Williams are off the books they will be a little closer to rebuilding, but any way you look at it, they need to get lucky with their picks in the future cause they are devoid of talent.

That's why I think they'd be willing to unload Varejao. He's a good player, but the kind of player that you need on a good team, not on a crappy team. I wonder if they'd do Joel for Varejao straight up.
They'd probably jump at Joel + Andre for Mo Williams + Varejao, and many people would be happy to see a more Roy-compatible PG, but I think I'd balk at that trade, because Miller is so much better than Williams.
 
62 - 21 = 41.
59 - 20 = 39.

The question was 62-13.

I never denied this. Just being accurate.

This was why I went to win% differential in the first reply. Bulls .756 in '98, .260 in '99--decrease of .496. Spurs .720 in '96, .244 in '97--decrease of .476. And to bring it back to Cleveland, if they win 20 or fewer games, their win% decrease would be the biggest ever. I think they'll miss the playoffs, but I don't think they'll be that bad.
 
This was why I went to win% differential in the first reply. Bulls .756 in '98, .260 in '99--decrease of .496. Spurs .720 in '96, .244 in '97--decrease of .476. And to bring it back to Cleveland, if they win 20 or fewer games, their win% decrease would be the biggest ever. I think they'll miss the playoffs, but I don't think they'll be that bad.

Well for what it is worth, this is what basketball-reference said about the 2011 Cavs:

the damage to Cleveland is much worse when you look at the +/- ratings. Replacing a +12.8 player with a +0.0 one in 2966 MP would take a +7.1 efficiency differential team down to a -2.5 one. Which teams had roughly a -2.5 differential last year? The Raptors (-1.9, 40 wins), Hornets (-2.7, 37 wins), and Pacers (-3.1, 32 wins), meaning SPM sees the Cavs finishing in the lottery without LBJ. And APM's story is even more terrifying for the Cavs: losing a +18.1 player would knock a +7.1 team all the way down to a -6.5 team, which is 2010 Clippers territory. And that's if they can replace him with an average player.

Or maybe it would make things easier if we just looked at the way Cleveland played last year when James wasn't on the floor: they were -4.7 in efficiency, akin to the 2010 Kings, Sixers, or Wizards (compared to +11.1 when he was on the court).
Obviously all of these scenarios are simplified models based on many assumptions, but one conclusion that you can count on is that the Cavaliers will be nowhere near the top seed in the East if they can't convince LeBron to stay in Ohio. In fact, if you believe the +/- ratings or the on/off numbers, they probably won't be anywhere near the playoffs without the King, either.

So for Byron Scott's sake, I think it's safe to say he'd better deliver the sales pitch of his life this weekend. Otherwise, he could find himself wishing he was still coaching the Hornets, or even broadcasting for ESPN... Both of those gigs are more appealing than piloting a glorified version of the Clippers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6812
 
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I think the Cavs are going to lose, but part of me wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see them still finish at around .500. On the other hand would andybody be shocked if the Raptors won something like 18 or 20?
 
That's why I think they'd be willing to unload Varejao. He's a good player, but the kind of player that you need on a good team, not on a crappy team. I wonder if they'd do Joel for Varejao straight up.
They'd probably jump at Joel + Andre for Mo Williams + Varejao, and many people would be happy to see a more Roy-compatible PG, but I think I'd balk at that trade, because Miller is so much better than Williams.

I just don't think that the Cavs are looking to save a few bucks like NOH are. They want to try and make a winner again from what I gather, so from that perspective, they don't want joel, they want some package that includes a piece of shit contract along with talent or high picks. this is just my assumption.
 

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