OT Bill Cosby Will Serve Less Than 3 Years (1 Viewer)

[PtldPlatypus]

You have to excuse MarAzul as he like many 'practicing christians' are picking and choosing what scripture best fits at this moment. Which is not what it says at all.

At the end of the day Cosby is a child molester. Which is fucking disgusting.
Put him in jail and leave it at that.

Thing is, Marzy doesn't proclaim to be a Christian, just to be familiar with and appreciate the tenets. I presume he brought up Jesus' teachings in response to me because he knows that I profess adherence thereto.

Honestly, I have no issue with that line of discussion; I was legitimately interested in his perspective on the matter, as was I in C2's views on the topic he brought up, and would be in your views on any scriptural issue you'd choose to bring up. Always interested in honest discussion and inquiry.

 

[H.C.]

Thing is, Marzy doesn't proclaim to be a Christian, just to be familiar with and appreciate the tenets. I presume he brought up Jesus' teachings in response to me because he knows that I profess adherence thereto.

Honestly, I have no issue with that line of discussion; I was legitimately interested in his perspective on the matter, as was I in C2's views on the topic he brought up, and would be in your views on any scriptural issue you'd choose to bring up. Always interested in honest discussion and inquiry.

Fine so Marazul isn't a christian.
He however brought up certain scripture while ignoring the rest of it.
This is the classic picking and choosing what best fits the moment.
Many christians and non christians do this when they have nothing to add to a discussion.
It's tiring to read the same shit.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

At the end of the day Cosby is a child molester.

Woman molester/rapist.

 

[Hoopguru]

I don't claim to be any more knowledgeable than any other, and I know that much of scripture is open to interpretation, which was why I wanted to hear your perspective first before I gave my own.

While it is true that many verses in the NT advise against vengeance, those are all (to my knowledge) about individuals taking vengeance into their own hands, which is very different than governmental meting out of justice. To that end, I submit Romans 13:1-4.



There is most certainly no Biblical prohibition against government punishing criminals. In fact, it's expected, and identified as just and godly.

In Jeremiah (I'm old now cant remember verse from church days) it say"by no means should I clear the guilty"

and of course "judgment starts in the house of the lord"

yep, were all going to heaven in a Honda, one accord!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Bill Cosby Gets Vanilla Pudding in Jail for First Meal Behind Bars

https://theblast.com/bill-cosby-first-meal-jail-pudding/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Bill Cosby Gets Vanilla Pudding in Jail for First Meal Behind Bars

https://theblast.com/bill-cosby-first-meal-jail-pudding/

 

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[MarAzul]

You ask that with the amount of women's lives he's destroyed?

Yes.

 

[MarAzul]

...castrate an 81 year old man?...what purpose does that serve?...cut his balls off and turn him loose?...seriously?

...is that one of "Jesus' teachings"?

No. It would be mine. Certainly more effective in curbing the hunting instinct, and less costly than jail time. Proscribing time he doesn't not have is rather useless.

 

[yankeesince59]

No. It would be mine.

...you could have stopped right there...that's all I needed to know.

 

[Chris Craig]

It is terrible that Cosby's lawyers or anyone else are trying to make this about race. Cosby was judged not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character.

 

[Natebishop3]

But I'm guessing you are fine with locking up children at the border, right? What would Jesus think of that?

barfo

So I am genuinely curious about this....

What should the government do with the people they catch trying to cross the border illegally?

It is my understanding that they used to lock the kids up with the parents while they waited to be shipped back to Mexico, but people freaked out about having kids locked up with adults, so they passed the current law (which to my understanding was passed before Trump became President) and put the kids in a separate holding area.

Should they set the kids free on the streets without the parents? Should they find them foster homes? What exactly is the answer here?

I would like to point out that it's the parents who bring the kids across in the first place, and put them in a dangerous situation. They can't turn the people away when the find them because they would most likely die from lack of food or water. So they have to detain them and ship them back (so they can try again at a later date!)

So what would be the acceptable way to handle these people who are breaking the law and putting themselves and their children in danger?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So I am genuinely curious about this....

What should the government do with the people they catch trying to cross the border illegally?

It is my understanding that they used to lock the kids up with the parents while they waited to be shipped back to Mexico, but people freaked out about having kids locked up with adults, so they passed the current law (which to my understanding was passed before Trump became President) and put the kids in a separate holding area.

Should they set the kids free on the streets without the parents? Should they find them foster homes? What exactly is the answer here?

I would like to point out that it's the parents who bring the kids across in the first place, and put them in a dangerous situation. They can't turn the people away when the find them because they would most likely die from lack of food or water. So they have to detain them and ship them back (so they can try again at a later date!)

So what would be the acceptable way to handle these people who are breaking the law and putting themselves and their children in danger?

But many are not crossing illegally. They come to the border asking for asylum. Asylum is recognised by US and international law. In the past we have allowed families to stay together while they're claims and reasons for asylum are being investigated. We are currently doing this for non-latino asylum seekers. It's only the brown people on our southern border where we are holding children separately from their parents.

The narrative that these people are all lawbreakers is not accurate.

 

[barfo]

So I am genuinely curious about this....

What should the government do with the people they catch trying to cross the border illegally?

It is my understanding that they used to lock the kids up with the parents while they waited to be shipped back to Mexico, but people freaked out about having kids locked up with adults, so they passed the current law (which to my understanding was passed before Trump became President) and put the kids in a separate holding area.

Should they set the kids free on the streets without the parents? Should they find them foster homes? What exactly is the answer here?

I would like to point out that it's the parents who bring the kids across in the first place, and put them in a dangerous situation. They can't turn the people away when the find them because they would most likely die from lack of food or water. So they have to detain them and ship them back (so they can try again at a later date!)

So what would be the acceptable way to handle these people who are breaking the law and putting themselves and their children in danger?

First, let me say I sure as shit don't have all the answers. Nor am I an expert on this subject, and it's pretty complicated.

But, if I were suddenly made King against my will, I would start by trying a few things:

1) put in place a workable temporary work visa so that for people coming here to work, it's actually easier, faster, cheaper, safer to do it legally than illegally.
2) reform permanent immigration processes so that people aren't waiting for years
3) stop treating asylum seekers as criminals
4) with 1-3 in place, there will be far fewer people trying to get across the border illegally, so enforcement will be more effective

barfo

 

[calvin natt]

First, let me say I sure as shit don't have all the answers. Nor am I an expert on this subject, and it's pretty complicated.

But, if I were suddenly made King against my will, I would start by trying a few things:

1) put in place a workable temporary work visa so that for people coming here to work, it's actually easier, faster, cheaper, safer to do it legally than illegally.
2) reform permanent immigration processes so that people aren't waiting for years
3) stop treating asylum seekers as criminals
4) with 1-3 in place, there will be far fewer people trying to get across the border illegally, so enforcement will be more effective

barfo

Get that logic outta here

 

[yankeesince59]

Oh come now sir! You know these teaching better than me. But a couple come to mind.

"
Romans 12:19 ESV / 680 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”


Revelation 21:8 ESV / 111 helpful votes
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

...yes, let's use a book written 2000 years ago to determine how to handle criminals...let's just do away with all criminal law, open all jails and release all prisoners, and simply wait for them to die, at which time, "God" will deal with them...brilliant, simply brilliant !

 

[Spud147]

Oh I don't think the amount of time they give the dude changes the value the court places on the victims. Actually I don't think you really probably do either.

The truth is, castration would likely serve society better than time in jail, even for the old dude.

Castration for the benefit of society but he gets to enjoy retirement in the lap of luxury, that's a great deterrent!

Almost every single woman I know (including myself) has been touched in a way by men (often strangers) who think it's okay to grab and grope because they like what they see or they want to intimidate.

-I remember when I was 11, my parent's insurance agent stopped by to drop some paper work off while my parents weren't home (he was also one of the Sunday school teachers at our church). He decided to make a grab at me but I said no and wiggled away and he stopped. I knew it felt creepy but he was a trusted adult who was supposed to be a "good guy" so I just ended up super confused about it and didn't tell my parents until I was in college.

-Another time I was walking around with my friend Shannon after cheerleading practice at school. We were at the farthest corner of building away from the main office. Two football players walked by and one got a little gleam in his eye when he looked at me. He proceeded to grab my friend by the shoulders and shoved her out the locking door to the outside and then went at me. He was grabbing everything he could and then tried to tear at my clothes. My friend Shannon was frantically banging on the window and trying to get back in the door. Fortunately the guy's buddy got alarmed enough that he ran over and opened the door (he didn't want to break the Bro Code but he did let my friend in so I guess he deserves a little credit here). All 95 pounds of her she came running at him swinging and got him to back off me and he walked away. This was in the 9th grade at my junior high where I should've been safe, I was 13.

-Then another time, I was either 15 or 16, my parents and I took a vacation to Glacier National Park and decided to go to the hot springs pool. You're sitting there along the perimeter on benches that are submerged. The adult man sitting next to me starts running his hand up my leg to my crotch. I keep trying to move farther away (it was crowded so there wasn't a lot of room) and he keeps moving over as well and doing it again. Finally I just went to a completely different area of the pool. About 10 minutes later my mom came over to where I was and asked if he was touching me because after I moved he just scooted closer to my mother and started doing it to her. This scumbag's wife was sitting right on the other side of him and his kids where playing in the water about 5 feet away.

Trust me I could go on, and I can assure you these experiences are "normal" for most women, but that doesn't make it okay. These are vivid traumatic memories for me and thank God I've never been raped. But someone else decided to touch me sexually when I didn't want it and I couldn't control it. Like most women I didn't report anything to anybody. I was too afraid I'd be seen as hysterical or I was making it up or that the man would try and hurt me worse.

So, you're wrong - I see the human value in the women who were victimized by him and they deserve justice. The benefit to society is the next creep that thinks he can violate another person like that might think twice. You don't get a pass because your dozens of victims are afraid to come forward for years because of the perps' power and money and physical dominance or because he's too old. No one has the right to physically violate another person and get away with it. You're post is bull shit.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Castration for the benefit of society but he gets to enjoy retirement in the lap of luxury, that's a great deterrent!

Almost every single woman I know (including myself) has been touched in a way by men (often strangers) who think it's okay to grab and grope because they like what they see or they want to intimidate.

-I remember when I was 11, my parent's insurance agent stopped by to drop some paper work off while my parents weren't home (he was also one of the Sunday school teachers at our church). He decided to make a grab at me but I said no and wiggled away and he stopped. I knew it felt creepy but he was a trusted adult who was supposed to be a "good guy" so I just ended up super confused about it and didn't tell my parents until I was in college.

-Another time I was walking around with my friend Shannon after cheerleading practice at school. We were at the farthest corner of building away from the main office. Two football players walked by and one got a little gleam in his eye when he looked at me. He proceeded to grab my friend by the shoulders and shoved her out the locking door to the outside and then went at me. He was grabbing everything he could and then tried to tear at my clothes. My friend Shannon was frantically banging on the window and trying to get back in the door. Fortunately the guy's buddy got alarmed enough that he ran over and opened the door (he didn't want to break the Bro Code but he did let my friend in so I guess he deserves a little credit here). All 95 pounds of her she came running at him swinging and got him to back off me and he walked away. This was in the 9th grade at my junior high where I should've been safe, I was 13.

-Then another time, I was either 15 or 16, my parents and I took a vacation to Glacier National Park and decided to go to the hot springs pool. You're sitting there along the perimeter on benches that are submerged. The adult man sitting next to me starts running his hand up my leg to my crotch. I keep trying to move farther away (it was crowded so there wasn't a lot of room) and he keeps moving over as well and doing it again. Finally I just went to a completely different area of the pool. About 10 minutes later my mom came over to where I was and asked if he was touching me because after I moved he just scooted closer to my mother and started doing it to her. This scumbag's wife was sitting right on the other side of him and his kids where playing in the water about 5 feet away.

Trust me I could go on, and I can assure you these experiences are "normal" for most women, but that doesn't make it okay. These are vivid traumatic memories for me and thank God I've never been raped. But someone else decided to touch me sexually when I didn't want it and I couldn't control it. Like most women I didn't report anything to anybody. I was too afraid I'd be seen as hysterical or I was making it up or that the man would try and hurt me worse.

So, you're wrong - I see the human value in the women who were victimized by him and they deserve justice. The benefit to society is the next creep that thinks he can violate another person like that might think twice. You don't get a pass because your dozens of victims are afraid to come forward for years because of the perps' power and money and physical dominance or because he's too old. No one has the right to physically violate another person and get away with it. You're post is bull shit.

Thank you for sharing that.

 

[MarAzul]

You're post is bull shit

Sorry you feel it is bull shit. You might note that I did not say jail time should not be given for these dudes.
What I did say or mean to say is that it might not be enough. I am not at all sure a character that willing pull this crap
you describe will be corrected or Rehabilitated with jail time. Although I am not against it at all. I would like the correction process
include removing the ability of the perpetrate to repeat the crime, because I really am not convinced rehabilitation is possible for all crimes, especially this crime.
But handing out jail time that exceeds the time the guy probably has, is hardly a step forward.

 

[yankeesince59]

But handing out jail time that exceeds the time the guy probably has, is hardly a step forward.

...well, castrating Jello man, who likely also has a Jello dick these days anyway, is "hardly a step forward" either.

 

[Lanny]

...castrate an 81 year old man?...what purpose does that serve?...cut his balls off and turn him loose?...seriously?

...is that one of "Jesus' teachings"?

Doesn't the Bible teach eye for an eye? How do you pay back for what that man did?

 

[yankeesince59]

Doesn't the Bible teach eye for an eye? How do you pay back for what that man did?

...yup, but it was Marz's opinion and he was on a roll at the time.

 

[Natebishop3]

But many are not crossing illegally. They come to the border asking for asylum. Asylum is recognised by US and international law. In the past we have allowed families to stay together while they're claims and reasons for asylum are being investigated. We are currently doing this for non-latino asylum seekers. It's only the brown people on our southern border where we are holding children separately from their parents.

The narrative that these people are all lawbreakers is not accurate.

How would people who are not from Canada or Mexico seek asylum at our border?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

How would people who are not from Canada or Mexico seek asylum at our border?

Mexico permits refugees from Central America to travel through Mexico to the US to seek asylum.

 

[Natebishop3]

Mexico permits refugees from Central America to travel through Mexico to the US to seek asylum.

And those people are being treated differently? Someone from Venezuela is being allowed into the country until their application is reviewed?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And those people are being treated differently? Someone from Venezuela is being allowed into the country until their application is reviewed?

AFAIK, no. I was under the impression that all the refugees/asylum seekers/border crossers coming up from/through Mexico are being treated with the same degree of inhumanity, regardless of their country of origin.

 

[Natebishop3]

AFAIK, no. I was under the impression that all the refugees/asylum seekers/border crossers coming up from/through Mexico are being treated with the same degree of inhumanity, regardless of their country of origin.

Yeah.

My stance has been from the very beginning that someone should not have an easier time gaining access to the US simply because they happen to come from a country that shares a border. There are millions of people who would love to come here from all over the world.

It bothers me that some people feel that people from Mexico should get special treatment. Most countries do not have open borders. Most of the countries in Europe that people like to champion as a better model for social services are extremely difficult to emigrate to.

To me, it has nothing to do with skin color. Immigration to this country should be done fairly. Nobody should be able to cut the line.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yeah.

My stance has been from the very beginning that someone should not have an easier time gaining access to the US simply because they happen to come from a country that shares a border. There are millions of people who would love to come here from all over the world.

It bothers me that some people feel that people from Mexico should get special treatment. Most countries do not have open borders. Most of the countries in Europe that people like to champion as a better model for social services are extremely difficult to emigrate to.

To me, it has nothing to do with skin color. Immigration to this country should be done fairly. Nobody should be able to cut the line.

Reviewing an asylum request without separating families and holding the applicants in detention camps doesn't seem to me to be "special treatment" or "cutting the line".

 

[Natebishop3]

Reviewing an asylum request without separating families and holding the applicants in detention camps doesn't seem to me to be "special treatment" or "cutting the line".

So where do they go while you review the application?

And what's to stop them from disappearing while we review it?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So where do they go while you review the application?

And what's to stop them from disappearing while we review it?

Don't know--that's outside of my wheelhouse.

If someone flies over here from Russia and then requests asylum, how is that handled? I don't know the answer to that either. But I think you and I agree that both should be handled the same way.