Bishop Eddie long.....The "MONSTER"

[ABM]

Wow.......

http://www.essence.com/news/hot_topics_4/update_bishop_eddie_long_accuser_speaks.php

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

monster cawk?

 

[MickZagger]

The guy was over the top about his disdain for homosexuals. I love when these nutjobs who are radical against homo's turn out to be homo's themselves. Its the definition of irony.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

he's on the down low!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't get how these guys were all "tricked" into having sex with him. Someone starts running at me with their cawk, I run the other direction.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Gross. "Couldn't get the smell of his body off of mine" fucking gross!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Gross. "Couldn't get the smell of his body off of mine" fucking gross!

SMELL MY FINGER!
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[BLAZER PROPHET]

Unless, of course, it's a set up to get money from him.

 

[ABM]

Unless, of course, it's a set up to get money from him.

Good thing these boys aren't white.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Good thing these boys aren't republicans.

fixed it

 

[MickZagger]

I don't get how these guys were all "tricked" into having sex with him. Someone starts running at me with their cawk, I run the other direction.

Yeah right, you hop on like its a pogo stick.

 

[crandc]

OK, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but...

But this man says he is "David against Goliath". Excuse me? A millionaire, with bodyguards ahd driver, 25,000 members of his church, friends in high places, media access against 4 scared kids with nothing, knowing their entire life histories will be put on display in order to prove them "nuts and sluts". Sounds like he has David and Goliath mixed up.

I used to say nothing is 100% certain except the physical laws of the universe. I now say nothing is 100% certain except the physical laws of the universe and some professional male "hate is a family value" homophobe being caught with another male. (So far never heard of a female professional "hate is a family value" homophobe being caught with another woman. Interesting.)

 

[ABM]

........some professional male "hate is a family value" homophobe being caught with another male. (So far never heard of a female professional "hate is a family value" homophobe being caught with another woman. Interesting.)

IMO, Long's rise to "stardom" has been about influence, power, and control. I would also say these traits are consistent with what is being portrayed by these young men. How he can separate what he's been preaching and what he's been accused of doing is beyond me, though. To me, it's, either, delusion or pure arrogance.

 

[BrianFromWA]

It doesn't have to be delusion, arrogance or anything else. It's just sin. If one goes into a situation thinking that b/c this guy is a pastor or Christian or public speaker, he's perfect, you're going to be disappointed.

I guess if he would've just waited one more year until they were 18, "Monster" Long could've just had perfectly legal, perfectly acceptable intercourse with whomever he wanted and still kept preaching about whatever he wanted to--since what goes on in bedrooms is no one's business. But b/c they were 17, he's vilified even among the homosexual community for having homosexual intercourse. Unless you're saying that being a hypocrite is a felony?

 

[BrianFromWA]

hold on a second... http://www.ajc.com/news/bishop-eddie-long-charges-619267.html

The AJC says that

the plaintiffs were of legal age of consent, and don't assert they were forced to submit, made drunk or drugged,

So let me get this straight...the OP's link and this AJC article are all that I've read, so I could have some facts mixed up. But this guy's being persecuted right now because he had consensual gay sex with people who are above the age of consent? And the most prominent gay-rights people on the board are calling him a nutjob and saying that he's "guilty" of something? Of what, being gay? The horror!

 

[ABM]

hold on a second... http://www.ajc.com/news/bishop-eddie-long-charges-619267.html

The AJC says that

So let me get this straight...the OP's link and this AJC article are all that I've read, so I could have some facts mixed up. But this guy's being persecuted right now because he had consensual gay sex with people who are above the age of consent? And the most prominent gay-rights people on the board are calling him a nutjob and saying that he's "guilty" of something? Of what, being gay? The horror!

He's also married with, I believe, 4 kids.

 

[crandc]

Brian can always be counted upon to show in equal measure lack of knowledge, lack of compassion, and bigotry.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I take offense to that. I'm much more "lack of knowledge" than "bigotry". And as for compassion...well, we'll agree to disagree.

But back to the point, what exactly is he guilty of, crandc? That he's having consensual gay sex? Where's my bigotry and lack of compassion here? And where does your hypocrisy about lifestyle and choices and rights end?

 

[BrianFromWA]

He's also married with, I believe, 4 kids.

I was unaware that adultery and sexual intercourse out of wedlock was being prosecuted in our country. Chalk that up to my "lack of knowledge".

If this happened, I think it's horrible. As far as the laws of our land go, he's not guilty of anything. And I know for a fact that many in here don't care what the Flying Spaghetti Monster has to say about adultery or extramarital sex of any kind, so I'm trying to see what the hubbub is about.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Brian can always be counted upon to show in equal measure lack of knowledge, lack of compassion, and bigotry.

My opinion is that your biases against men, religion and homophobes are hypocritically overcoming your biases for free expression of sexuality, homosexual rights and the assertion that "what goes on in the bedroom between consenting adults isn't anyone's business". I'm struggling to understand why that would be the case. And how that hypocracy is then turned into an attack on me, for no other reason that pointing out facts reported by the news.

 

[Jayps15]

The article you linked to said he was being accused/charged with sexual coercion, so I'd say most aren't considering this truely consenting gay sex. Using ones position of power/influence to coerce those you have power over into sexual favors is taking away the victims ability to genuinely consent.

If his accusers are to be believed, statements like "I cannot forget the way he made me cry many nights when I drove in his cars on the way home. I'm not able to take enough showers to wipe the smell of him off my body." make it hard to believe it was just 2 guys hooking up.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

maybe they were just trying to justify their homosexual acts. they could all be "on the downlow"

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down-low_(sexual_slang)

 

[BrianFromWA]

There must be proof that the religious leader compromised the will of his victim, said Atlanta attorney Lee Parks, who has represented people coerced into sex.

"It is not enough to say they got enough gifts until they said yes," Parks said. "That is still yes."

Proving that in the Long case will be difficult, because the plaintiffs were of legal age of consent, and don't assert they were forced to submit, made drunk or drugged, Parks said. Consequently, there must be proof that Long had so much control over his accusers they had no power to resist, the attorney said.

+

These cases often end in a financial settlement between the parties.

"The publicity in this kind of case is something the defendant does not want," Parks said.

Seem curious to me.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

**eagerly awaits Rev. Fred Phelps response**

 

[ABM]

If I understand things correctly, Long was "setting the stage" with these boys in their early teens (14?). It was only when they then turned 17 that he "pounced". To me, there's something inherently wrong with that. As such, this whole thing wreaks of coercion.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I hadn't read anything about that.

In my worldview, there is something totally wrong, not just inherently wrong, with what Long's said to have done. Yet, the only articles posted on the board so far have said he's had consensual homosexual sex. When I say that that behavior is not in accordance with what the Bible teaches (and calls "sin") I'm called a bigot and homophobe and idiot for believing in fairy tales, etc. Yet when a pastor/congressman/someone in the closet does it, it's all of a sudden something to judge and spray around the media and/or be "guilty" of by the those who practice or condone or lobby for that same action.

 

[agoo]

Part of the outrage against him is that he's actively anti-homosexual.

From wikipedia**:
CNN has said "Long frequently denounces homosexual behavior."[13] Long has ministered “homosexual cure” programs to recruit gays and lesbians for what he called “Sexual Reorientation” conferences and his church offers an ongoing “Out of the Wilderness” ministry to help convert homosexuals into heterosexuals.[14] In 2004, Long led a march with Bernice King to the grave of her father, Martin Luther King, Jr. The march was a protest against same-sex marriage and in support of a national constitutional amendment to protect marriage "between one man and one woman."[15] A 2007 article in the Southern Poverty Law Center's magazine called him "one of the most virulently homophobic black leaders in the religiously based anti-gay movement."

**Not the finest source I know, but you can follow the links from there.

 

[crandc]

Brian sits up high on his holy Mount Olympus, looking down his sanctimonious nose at all the sinners below. I have yet to see any tragedy, suffering, anguish or betrayal for which he expressed sympathy (well, maybe tax increases on billionaires). No, all these sinners just get what they deserve. Besides, there really is no difference, in his world view, between a loving same sex couple of 50 years standing who raised a family, built a home, and were together until death did them part and a hate-preaching homophobic predatory manipulator preying on troubled young men desperate for a father figure. All are EVILLLLLLLLLLLLLLL HOMOSEXUALLLLLLLLL. And if you don't believe that you are bigoted against straights. Because we all know how persecuted straight people are by gays. Of course if straight people actually, you know, have SEX they are (almost) as sinful as gays. Not as much, of course. But still deserve punishment, like loss of job or forced pregnancy.

If my cat watched the video of that tormented young man he'd feel compassion. Brian? Forget it.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Tragedy, suffering ,anguish and betrayal happen every day. I'm saddened by it, every day. Part of that sadness is that sinners bring it on themselves by their actions and the consequences of those actions, and don't know where to go for forgiveness.

In my worldview, if straight people have sex out of marriage they ARE as sinful as those who practice homosexual sex. And those who don't honor their parents. And those who lie. Etc, etc...we've been over this. You know these things. You're either choosing to not comprehend in order to bait, or not paying attention. I can't help either one, sorry. It could be because of your rationale from the Mary Thread:

It is possible my viewpoint is also colored by the numerous "family values" holier than thou's who turned out to have "wide stance" or go on vacation with "escort boys" or be part time male hookers, or patronize brothels where they asked to be spanked, etc.

Your bias and hate for those you disagree with colors your stand on issues. I choose to live by one worldview, and apply it to my life and situations consistently.

Why is the young man tormented? Could it be because of a poor decision he made? I sympathize with consequences of bad decisions, I've gone through many. I'm not saying I'm any better than this man. In fact, since you bring up my "high and holy Mount Olympus", I'll quote myself from the earlier thread...maybe this time it will be read and/or understood:

Another of the tenets of my worldview is that "I'm the worst sinner I know". Because I know what's in my heart...I know the stuff that doesn't come to the surface much, but it's there nonetheless. I know when I've looked at a woman and lusted, even if I didn't go sleep with her. I know when I've been uncharitable, even if it looks to an outsider like I gave the homeless guy my pocket change. I know when I stop myself from yelling at someone for frustrating me, when in reality it's my impatience and lack of grace to others that's the issue. But those are between me and God, and it's His forgiveness I pray for. If, however, I was to act on my sin...if I was to do one of those things that are against societal laws (like, for instance, breaking a contract with your employer or jaywalking or stealing bread) I'm at the mercy of the societal justice.

If the pastor did use his office to coerce these men into sex they didn't want to have, he will be at the mercy of societal justice. And you already know where I stand on criminals getting punished for breaking laws. If he didn't, and just had consensual sex with the men, my worldview states that he has still sinned because he's committed adultery and had homosexual sex. But that's not for me or you to judge, because that's between him and his God. For you to speak out against it seems pretty presumptuous and hypocritical, since you consistently champion

A couple's private consenting relations is not immoral to me..

Edit: http://sportstwo.com/threads/161586-So-what-would-they-say-to-Mary/page4 Post 51 for your quote, post 97 for mine