Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free agent."

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Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

I'm looking forward to a 1st round exit and a year wasted this season.

You already said you didn't follow the team last season. Why should anybody give a rat's ass about your view on this season?
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

The site says he has a speaking fee. Maybe Uncle would be willing to just deduct it from my inheritance?
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

You already said you didn't follow the team last season. Why should anybody give a rat's ass about your view on this season?

It's funny, all I remember about you is that you like to attack other people and stir shit up, and are wrong on just about everything you post. Nice reputation.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

It's funny, all I remember about you is that you like to attack other people and stir shit up, and are wrong on just about everything you post. Nice reputation.

I don't remember you at all, but whatever. Isn't it fair to say that your posts since coming back have been to "stir shit up"?
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

Bad management? What major personnel moves did the Blazers get wrong?

Easy....

1.) give Roy a huge contract, even after knowing the knees are bad

2.) picking oden

3.) getting martell Webster instead of d will or cp3

4.) trading miller for Felton

Do I need to go on?
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

Easy....

1.) give Roy a huge contract, even after knowing the knees are bad

2.) picking oden

3.) getting martell Webster instead of d will or cp3

4.) trading miller for Felton

Do I need to go on?

1. Absolutely no one questioned this move when it happened. What are you accusing them of, giving out free money to a guy they knew would fall apart? Sure...

2. Again, it's ridiculous to call this a bad move, nobody was questioning the Oden pick at the time. How is that a failure of decision making?

3. LOL ok, let's say we drafted either DWill or CP3. Roy and Aldridge never happens, Oden pick never happens...where would the team be right now?
How did that work out for Utah and New Orleans?

4. So we traded an aging PG who is now worthless for a scrub PG who is also basically worthless...big deal


#3 is the only bad decision in that list, and it was Paul Allen who made it. Management wanted CP3.

Please go on though, I can keep busting you up all night..
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

I don't remember you at all, but whatever. Isn't it fair to say that your posts since coming back have been to "stir shit up"?


The difference is I'm not trying to start a fight. You argue just for the sake of arguing
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

I can think of Miami building a championship thru free agency, but most championships are won thru the drafts and trade.

The year Jason Kidd flirted with San Antonio, they ended up with Rasho Nesterovic and Robert Horry. Not being able to land a major free agent is not the kiss of death.
 
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2. Again, it's ridiculous to call this a bad move, nobody was questioning the Oden pick at the time. How is that a failure of decision making?

I'm surprised how often Blazers fans on s2 will shit on the Oden pick.

It's one thing to accept that injuries ruined an otherwise dominant career, but who would disagree with the pick, placing themselves back in 2007?

With the Big 10 being my conference, I watched pretty much every game Oden played that season for Ohio State, and he looked every bit as dominant as Shaq. With the way the game is played today, Oden could have led ya'll to multiple titles, easily. I know it's a sore subject, but damn, he was not only a great post player... he was a dominant post player.

Yao Ming was a productive basketball player and a good marketing tool for the Rockets, but the only player drafted in the last decade that I think could rival what Greg Oden could do in the post is Dwight Howard.

He got hurt... that sucks, but that was not a bad pick. If Seattle had the #1 pick, they would have taken Oden as well.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

2. Again, it's ridiculous to call this a bad move, nobody was questioning the Oden pick at the time. How is that a failure of decision making?

3. LOL ok, let's say we drafted either DWill or CP3. Roy and Aldridge never happens, Oden pick never happens...where would the team be right now?
How did that work out for Utah and New Orleans?

4. So we traded an aging PG who is now worthless for a scrub PG who is also basically worthless...big deal

I recall several people questioning the Oden pick. The "honk once, honk twice" billboard existed for a reason--because there was legitimate debate. I certainly supported the Oden pick, but I absolutely understood the arguments of those who wanted Durant.

Roy was drafted through the pick we got from trading Telfair to Boston, so actually, we could have had both CP3 and Roy. Of course, Roy's knees would still have disintegrated, but it sure would have been a fun ride to have both together.

The CW on the Miller trade is that it also precipitated that Smith over Faried pick. THAT, IMO, was the bigger mistake in that deal. However, had we drafted CP3, we would never have signed Miller in the first place.

In any case, it's clear, if you look objectively, that there have been several points over the past decade where management has erred. But that can be said of every team's management. That's the beauty of 20/20 hindsight.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

I'm surprised how often Blazers fans on s2 will shit on the Oden pick.

It's one thing to accept that injuries ruined an otherwise dominant career, but who would disagree with the pick, placing themselves back in 2007?

With the Big 10 being my conference, I watched pretty much every game Oden played that season for Ohio State, and he looked every bit as dominant as Shaq. With the way the game is played today, Oden could have led ya'll to multiple titles, easily. I know it's a sore subject, but damn, he was not only a great post player... he was a dominant post player.

Yao Ming was a productive basketball player and a good marketing tool for the Rockets, but the only player drafted in the last decade that I think could rival what Greg Oden could do in the post is Dwight Howard.

He got hurt... that sucks, but that was not a bad pick. If Seattle had the #1 pick, they would have taken Oden as well.

"He got hurt..."

That right there is the crux of the problem. His broken kneecap falls into the "he got hurt" argument. The 3 MF surgeries - not really. The injury that led to the first surgery might have happened in college, but the second and third "injuries" occured when he was no where near a basketball court. Unlike Roy, his issues were not basketball related. His knee was apparently road kill before he ever donned a Blazer uniform - and the team should have known that.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

I recall several people questioning the Oden pick. The "honk once, honk twice" billboard existed for a reason--because there was legitimate debate. I certainly supported the Oden pick, but I absolutely understood the arguments of those who wanted Durant.

Roy was drafted through the pick we got from trading Telfair to Boston, so actually, we could have had both CP3 and Roy. Of course, Roy's knees would still have disintegrated, but it sure would have been a fun ride to have both together.

The CW on the Miller trade is that it also precipitated that Smith over Faried pick. THAT, IMO, was the bigger mistake in that deal. However, had we drafted CP3, we would never have signed Miller in the first place.

In any case, it's clear, if you look objectively, that there have been several points over the past decade where management has erred. But that can be said of every team's management. That's the beauty of 20/20 hindsight.

Nope, I disagree. It wasn't legitimate lol...anyone in their right mind was going to take Oden, and they did. The honking campaign was all publicity. They never once seriously considered taking Durant. Sorry, not saying you think this, but anyone who wanted to take Durant over Oden is just stupid.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

Nope, I disagree. It wasn't legitimate lol...anyone in their right mind was going to take Oden, and they did. The honking campaign was all publicity. They never once seriously considered taking Durant. Sorry, not saying you think this, but anyone who wanted to take Durant over Oden is just stupid.

Stupid and correct.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

1. Absolutely no one questioned this move when it happened. What are you accusing them of, giving out free money to a guy they knew would fall apart? Sure...

I was all for signing him to the big contract, but I wasn't the GM. I wasn't part of the training staff that had already given the Blazers a warning that his meniscus was failing.

2. Again, it's ridiculous to call this a bad move, nobody was questioning the Oden pick at the time. How is that a failure of decision making?

O'relly?!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...-wouldn-t-have-drafted-Greg-Od?urn=nba,268861

If people that use analytics to predict player performance in the NBA, using performance analytics, meaning what they did in college, and they tell you they had Oden ranked higher than Durant, they are full of crap. There are very few statistical measures that would have rated Oden's system in college better than Durant's. Oden was injured his entire career, that one season at Ohio State. He had to shoot free throws left handed, was not efficient, didn't have a great statistical season.
Our numbers absolutely said they should pick Durant. It wasn't even close.

http://www.nba.com/news/toppick_debate.html

Now “conventional wisdom” says that all championship teams have a great center, which is by no means true. The Pistons had Bill Laimbeer during their back-to-back runs, the Bulls had Luc Longley and more recently, the Spurs had Fabricio Oberto. A better analysis would say that championship teams usually always have a threat on the low block.

The Trail Blazers’ best player, Zach Randolph, is already giving them 23.6 points and 10.1 rebounds in the low post, while LaMarcus Aldridge also gave them solid minutes down low and was named First Team All-Rookie for his efforts. So why grab another low-post player?

Also, with the pressure on and the cameras rolling, Durant wowed the Trail Blazers by delivering a superb workout, while Oden admitted to "getting nervous" and telling the coaches that he needed to be "in better shape." Can you imagine someone like Kobe Bryant or Steve Nash saying something like that? No chance.

Just like there is no chance that Durant would ever utter those words. Because like the other great ones, Durant has that same ultra-competitive drive and closing ability that is maybe the rarest commodity found in players.

And even this board had major debates on Oden vs. Durant. BTW, I was for drafting Oden; but I didn't know about the health concerns.

3. LOL ok, let's say we drafted either DWill or CP3. Roy and Aldridge never happens, Oden pick never happens...where would the team be right now?
How did that work out for Utah and New Orleans?
Utah and NO were relevant during the times CP3 and Dwill were on their team. We still had an opportunity to draft Roy; probably not Aldridge though. So you are saying you would rather have Aldridge than CP3?

4. So we traded an aging PG who is now worthless for a scrub PG who is also basically worthless...big deal
There was no surprise that Aldridge led the lead in Dunks and had his "LaMonster" year when miller was part of the system. Miller was more valuable to this franchise than you think.

#3 is the only bad decision in that list, and it was Paul Allen who made it. Management wanted CP3.

Please go on though, I can keep busting you up all night..

The only thing you busted is your asshole, from talking out of it on this response.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

I was all for signing him to the big contract, but I wasn't the GM. I wasn't part of the training staff that had already given the Blazers a warning that his meniscus was failing.



O'relly?!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...-wouldn-t-have-drafted-Greg-Od?urn=nba,268861



http://www.nba.com/news/toppick_debate.html



And even this board had major debates on Oden vs. Durant. BTW, I was for drafting Oden; but I didn't know about the health concerns.


Utah and NO were relevant during the times CP3 and Dwill were on their team. We still had an opportunity to draft Roy; probably not Aldridge though. So you are saying you would rather have Aldridge than CP3?


There was no surprise that Aldridge led the lead in Dunks and had his "LaMonster" year when miller was part of the system. Miller was more valuable to this franchise than you think.



The only thing you busted is your asshole, from talking out of it on this response.

You want to get down to brass tacks, why the fuck did the Blazers even draft Roy? He already had messed up knees and surgeries under his belt...

What a terrible decision they made, drafting Brandon Roy. Worst management ever.

You literally sit there with 20/20 hindsight and point out all these perceived bad decisions THAT WERE ACTUALLY GOOD decisions at the time...but that doesn't matter to you or a few others on this thread, what matters is that it turned out unfortunate. Then you get to point fingers.

It must be so hard being you.


What kind of retarded GM is going to base his draft solely off of performance metrics anyway? That statement means nothing.

And what are you saying...if we had DWill or CP3, you think the team would have sucked still and we would've traded for #6 to draft Roy?

Give me a break. You ain't never gonna reach these straws bro.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

You want to get down to brass tacks, why the fuck did the Blazers even draft Roy? He already had messed up knees and surgeries under his belt...

What a terrible decision they made, drafting Brandon Roy. Worst management ever.

You literally sit there with 20/20 hindsight and point out all these perceived bad decisions THAT WERE ACTUALLY GOOD decisions at the time...but that doesn't matter to you or a few others on this thread, what matters is that it turned out unfortunate. Then you get to point fingers.

It must be so hard being you.


What kind of retarded GM is going to base his draft solely off of performance metrics anyway? That statement means nothing.

And what are you saying...if we had DWill or CP3, you think the team would have sucked still and we would've traded for #6 to draft Roy?

Give me a break. You ain't never gonna reach these straws bro.

Yeah you're right man. I wish I could talk and pump my chest like you. I bet you knew all along about everything panning out the way it did.

Like superman or something...
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

Yeah you're right man. I wish I could talk and pump my chest like you. I bet you knew all along about everything panning out the way it did.

Like superman or something...

So you go around and post your baseless opinions and then get butthurt when I call you out on it? Makes sense...
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

So you go around and post your baseless opinions and then get butthurt when I call you out on it? Makes sense...

I'm not butt hurt. I think you're cute. You remind me of that chicken hawk from looney tunes.

Impressive
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

I'm not butt hurt. I think you're cute. You remind me of that chicken hawk from looney tunes.

Impressive

Lol, man... I don't even know why I decided to respond to your comments. I could have accomplished more by bashing my head into a brick wall.

It's not like your comments were an abnormality. You do it allll the tiiiime. I just never bothered to respond before.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

I like your posts, C_note. Almost spot on in their entirety.

I would have taken Durant, played LMA at C, and kept ZBo at PF. Like you said, though, nobody could fault the pick of Oden... There was LeBron like hype around the guy, once in a decade franchise player, etc. it was quite evident that Durant was a home run pick, though.

I also don't see why marquee FAs wouldn't sign with Portland. Money is just as green in the Pacific Northwest, Durant seems to be doing just fine in OKC, and as mentioned, Hibbert actually did sign.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

Lol, man... I don't even know why I decided to respond to your comments. I could have accomplished more by bashing my head into a brick wall.

It's not like your comments were an abnormality. You do it allll the tiiiime. I just never bothered to respond before.

Ah man that sucks. I mean it's so important that a superman macho forum tough guy likes me. Whatever shall I do? Do you think I'll ever be tough and cool like you?
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

Ah man that sucks. I mean it's so important that a superman macho forum tough guy likes me. Whatever shall I do? Do you think I'll ever be tough and cool like you?

Yeah 'cuz that's how a forum works. You get to read other people spewing bullshit all the time, but don't you dare challenge them on it!! They might call you a "superman macho forum tough guy".
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

Yeah 'cuz that's how a forum works. You get to read other people spewing bullshit all the time, but don't you dare challenge them on it!! They might call you a "superman macho forum tough guy".

You got that right! I mean only the thick skin survive right? Maybe I can be the forum tough guy like you?

Fact is, I have you my insight and others did to. Hell even Denny would have rather had Durant over oden.

But that's behind is man because you spoken and you will yell at anyone that disagrees! Scary!!!
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

You got that right! I mean only the thick skin survive right? Maybe I can be the forum tough guy like you?

Fact is, I have you my insight and others did to. Hell even Denny would have rather had Durant over oden.

But that's behind is man because you spoken and you will yell at anyone that disagrees! Scary!!!

To be fair, he's right about everything else. Including that the pick was as foregone a conclusion as it could be. Even if it had Bowie v2.0 written all over it.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

To be fair, he's right about everything else. Including that the pick was as foregone a conclusion as it could be. Even if it had Bowie v2.0 written all over it.

Possible, but then again; Roy was just diagnosed with losing all his meniscus in one knee and the other was already degrading. Our management made a stupid mistake and signed him to a max contract.

I love Roy; but that is a serious red flag and even people in this forum argued over it.

As for being right about the pick. Yeah I wanted oden too; but he claimed everyone wanted oden; which wasn't the case. Even people in blazer management; which I provided in quotes; showed picking oden was a red flag.

Then if you think he was right about picking Webster over cp3 or d will; then I just don't know what to say. This forum erupted on the decision.
 
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Lol, man... I don't even know why I decided to respond to your comments. I could have accomplished more by bashing my head into a brick wall.

It's not like your comments were an abnormality. You do it allll the tiiiime. I just never bothered to respond before.

Why did you come back to the board again??
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

To be fair, he's right about everything else. Including that the pick was as foregone a conclusion as it could be. Even if it had Bowie v2.0 written all over it.

...and the Head Troll chimes in with the usual bullshit post...
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

#3 is the only bad decision in that list, and it was Paul Allen who made it. Management wanted CP3.

Please go on though, I can keep busting you up all night..

Just wow, mags. You didn't read what he wrote and just argued for the sake of it?

Who were you going to take instead of Roy at #6? Randy Foye? JJ Redick? Roy was an outstanding pick.
 
Re: Bitter Truth: "Portland will never, ever, ever be able to sign a marquee free age

Just wow, mags. You didn't read what he wrote and just argued for the sake of it?

Who were you going to take instead of Roy at #6? Randy Foye? JJ Redick? Roy was an outstanding pick.

Didn't say the pick Denny. I said the contract.
 

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