OT Black Man In Minnesota Dies After Cop Kneels On His Neck/ Portland Riots (1 Viewer)

[ABM]

Either is mine

Well, cool you just stand proud and speak for yourself, amigo.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is the video Woodson alluded to..

Again, this is taken directly from BLM's website:



Police unions have used their influence to establish unfair protections for police officers in their contracts with local, state and federal government and in statewide Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights. These provisions create one set of rules for police and another for civilians, and make it difficult for Police Chiefs or civilian oversight structures to punish police officers who are unfit to serve. Learn more about how police union contracts help officers avoid accountability here.
POLICY SOLUTIONS

Remove barriers to effective misconduct investigations and civilian oversight

Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:

• allow officers to wait 48 hours or more before being interrogated after an incident
  
  
• prevent investigators from pursuing other cases of misconduct revealed during an investigation
  
  
• prevent an officer's name or picture from being released to the public
  
  
• prohibit civilians from having the power to discipline, subpoena or interrogate police officers
  
  
• state that the Police Chief has the sole authority to discipline police officers
  
  
• enable officers to appeal a disciplinary decision to a hearing board of other police officers
  
  
• enable officers to use the contract grievance process to have an outside arbitrator reverse disciplinary decisions and reinstate officers who have committed misconduct
  
  
• prevent an officer from being investigated for an incident that happened 100 or more days prior
  
  
• allow an officer to choose not to take a lie detector test without being punished, require the civilian who is accusing that officer of misconduct to pass a lie detector first, or prevent the officer's test results from being considered as evidence of misconduct
  

Keep officers' disciplinary history accessible to police departments and the public

Remove contract provisions, local and state policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that allow police officers to:

• expunge or destroy records of past misconduct (both sustained and unsustained) from their disciplinary file
  
  
• prevent their disciplinary records from being released to the public via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request
  

Ensure financial accountability for officers and police departments that kill or seriously injure civilians

Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:

• require officers to be given paid administrative leave or paid desk-duty during an investigation following a police shooting or other use of deadly force
  
  
• prevent officers from receiving unpaid suspensions as discipline for misconduct or allow officers to use vacation or discretionary time to pay themselves while on suspension
  
  
• allow officers to receive paid leave or paid desk-duty after being charged with a felony offense
  

Campaign Zero reviewed the police union contracts in 81 of the largest U.S. cities. 72 of the 81 cities' contracts imposed at least one barrier to holding police accountable. Learn more at CheckthePolice.org.

HOW POLICE UNION CONTRACTS BLOCK ACCOUNTABILITY

1. Disqualifying misconduct complaints that are submitted too many days after an incident occurs or if an investigation takes too long to complete
   
   
2. Preventing police officers from being interrogated immediately after being involved in an incident or otherwise restricting how, when, or where they can be interrogated
   
   
3. Giving officers access to information that civilians do not get prior to being interrogated
   
   
4. Requiring cities to pay costs related to police misconduct including by giving officers paid leave while under investigation, paying legal fees, and/or the cost of settlements
   
   
5. Preventing information on past misconduct investigations from being recorded or retained in an officer's personnel file
   
   
6. Limiting disciplinary consequences for officers or limiting the capacity of civilian oversight structures and/or the media to hold police accountable.
   

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/contracts

 

[Chris Craig]

Well, cool you just stand proud and speak for yourself, amigo.

I'll do that and so will my wife, amigo

 

[ABM]

Again, this is taken directly from BLM's website:

View attachment 32555

Police unions have used their influence to establish unfair protections for police officers in their contracts with local, state and federal government and in statewide Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights. These provisions create one set of rules for police and another for civilians, and make it difficult for Police Chiefs or civilian oversight structures to punish police officers who are unfit to serve. Learn more about how police union contracts help officers avoid accountability here.
POLICY SOLUTIONS

Remove barriers to effective misconduct investigations and civilian oversight

Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:

• allow officers to wait 48 hours or more before being interrogated after an incident
  
  
• prevent investigators from pursuing other cases of misconduct revealed during an investigation
  
  
• prevent an officer's name or picture from being released to the public
  
  
• prohibit civilians from having the power to discipline, subpoena or interrogate police officers
  
  
• state that the Police Chief has the sole authority to discipline police officers
  
  
• enable officers to appeal a disciplinary decision to a hearing board of other police officers
  
  
• enable officers to use the contract grievance process to have an outside arbitrator reverse disciplinary decisions and reinstate officers who have committed misconduct
  
  
• prevent an officer from being investigated for an incident that happened 100 or more days prior
  
  
• allow an officer to choose not to take a lie detector test without being punished, require the civilian who is accusing that officer of misconduct to pass a lie detector first, or prevent the officer's test results from being considered as evidence of misconduct

Keep officers' disciplinary history accessible to police departments and the public

Remove contract provisions, local and state policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that allow police officers to:

• expunge or destroy records of past misconduct (both sustained and unsustained) from their disciplinary file
  
  
• prevent their disciplinary records from being released to the public via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request

Ensure financial accountability for officers and police departments that kill or seriously injure civilians

Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:

• require officers to be given paid administrative leave or paid desk-duty during an investigation following a police shooting or other use of deadly force
  
  
• prevent officers from receiving unpaid suspensions as discipline for misconduct or allow officers to use vacation or discretionary time to pay themselves while on suspension
  
  
• allow officers to receive paid leave or paid desk-duty after being charged with a felony offense

Campaign Zero reviewed the police union contracts in 81 of the largest U.S. cities. 72 of the 81 cities' contracts imposed at least one barrier to holding police accountable. Learn more at CheckthePolice.org.

HOW POLICE UNION CONTRACTS BLOCK ACCOUNTABILITY

1. Disqualifying misconduct complaints that are submitted too many days after an incident occurs or if an investigation takes too long to complete
   
   
2. Preventing police officers from being interrogated immediately after being involved in an incident or otherwise restricting how, when, or where they can be interrogated
   
   
3. Giving officers access to information that civilians do not get prior to being interrogated
   
   
4. Requiring cities to pay costs related to police misconduct including by giving officers paid leave while under investigation, paying legal fees, and/or the cost of settlements
   
   
5. Preventing information on past misconduct investigations from being recorded or retained in an officer's personnel file
   
   
6. Limiting disciplinary consequences for officers or limiting the capacity of civilian oversight structures and/or the media to hold police accountable.

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/contracts

Crap, my search wasn't as good as yours.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Crap, my search wasn't as good as yours.

View attachment 32557

Black Lives Matter activists finally have an answer to critics demanding specific policy proposals.

This has been a central question posed to the movement, which aims to eliminate racial disparities in the criminal justice system, since it rose to national prominence following the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. A lot of groups — from supporters to media to Hillary Clinton — have challenged the movement to define its policy agenda.

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/21/9188729/police-black-lives-matter-campaign-zero

 

[Road Ratt]

 

[tlongII]

Well at least you guys are finally agreeing on what I think is the biggest issue with police reform...the unions.

 

[ABM]

View attachment 32558

Black Lives Matter activists finally have an answer to critics demanding specific policy proposals.

This has been a central question posed to the movement, which aims to eliminate racial disparities in the criminal justice system, since it rose to national prominence following the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. A lot of groups — from supporters to media to Hillary Clinton — have challenged the movement to define its policy agenda.

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/21/9188729/police-black-lives-matter-campaign-zero

I did see that 2015 version. Do they have the same message today?

Nonetheless, I don't really care. I'm connecting with Woodson's group. Their message is compelling to me.

 

[ABM]

Well at least you guys are finally agreeing on what I think is the biggest issue with police reform...the unions.

You can bet on that.

 

[julius]

Funny when a fascist calls someone else a fascist, for doing things that are fully anti fascist.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I did see that 2015 version. Do they have the same message today?

Again, click the site and investigate yourself.

It clearly shows that some of the things they are proposing are or have been tried by cities and the results. These things are continually updated.

There is a lot of good and interesting information there if you want to have an informed discussion.

Some I agree with and some that I don't.

I purposely posted that article from 2015 to show that this is an ongoing discussion.

 

[ABM]

Funny when a fascist calls someone else a fascist, for doing things that are fully anti fascist.

It really is an obscure world. Isn't it?

 

[ABM]

Again, click the site and investigate yourself.

It clearly shows that some of the things they are proposing are or have been tried by cities and the results. These things are continually updated.

There is a lot of good and interesting information there if you want to have an informed discussion.

Some I agree with and some that I don't.

I purposely posted that article from 2015 to show that this is an ongoing discussion.

I guess I'm missing the link directly to BLM's website that discusses the Campaign Zero rhetoric.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Nonetheless, I don't really care. I'm connecting with Woodson's group. Their message is compelling to me.

I'm sorry that you don't care. I do find it interesting that you support Woodson's easily disprovable views on BLM and that those views are compelling to you when you refuse to read the messages he is misrepresenting.

Up until today you didn't even know the group that is behind the 1776 Unite when it was displayed on their video.

 

[ABM]

Up until today you didn't even know the group that is behind the 1776 Unite when it was displayed on their video.

They aren't even mentioned on their website. The 1776 group are pretty much independent thinkers.

You have a problem with the 1776 Unites group? I'm sorry if they don't always cow tow to the corporate line of BLM.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

They aren't even mentioned on their website.

I would say this is a bit more than a mention.

You have a problem with the 1776 Unites group?

I've already said I'm sure they do good. What I have a problem with is them misrepresenting other groups.

I'm sorry if they don't always cow tow to the corporate line of BLM.

I don't know what this means.

If you're saying that some corporations have donated to BLM then sure.

But corporations also donate to CRC. If that means they "cow tow" then sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capit...orted that,more than $265,000 from ExxonMobil.

 

[julius]

It really is an obscure world. Isn't it?

In some aspects, yes. Though I'm not sure you mean obscure.

 

[ABM]

I've already said I'm sure they do good. What I have a problem with is them misrepresenting other groups.

I understand that you have your certain viewpoints, but I'm still not certain Woodson is misrepresenting BLM. As I mentioned earlier, I'm still researching various aspects of BLM. I still don't know that I trust the group "as a whole". The jury's still out with me.

....the Left and Right are often discussing different things and don’t realize they’re talking past each other. To the center-Left, Black Lives Matter is a decentralized rallying cry to bring attention to the cause of police violence. But to the Right and the far-Left, Black Lives Matter is a specific group, with specific chapters and leadership, with radical goals that go far beyond ending police brutality.

 

[ABM]

In some aspects, yes. Though I'm not sure you mean obscure.

Abstractedly speaking, yes. Kettles calling pots black are a dime a dozen

 

[julius]

Abstractedly speaking, yes. Kettles calling pots black are a dime a dozen

But the rest is history, and every cloud has a silver lining, and don't cry over spilt milk.

 

[Minstrel]

"<video giving false information about BLM>"

"That's not accurate."

"I'm not sure that it's wrong, I'm still trying to research their goals."

"Here's a link to their goals."

"Look, you have your views and I have mine."

"Okay, but the information you're looking for is right here..."

"I like my group, they do good work."

"I'm sure they do, but that information is wr-"

"Hey, hey...I'm still researching. We'll see."

"But the information is right at this link."

"I don't care. You have your certain viewpoints, let's just leave it at that."

This has truly been a fascinating debate.

 

[ABM]

But the rest is history, and every cloud has a silver lining, and don't cry over spilt milk.

Exactly. Now you're gettin' it, Charlie Brown.

 

[Chris Craig]

Abstractedly speaking, yes. Kettles calling pots black are a dime a dozen

The pot is usually the one calling the shots.

So, you are calling yourself a fascist then?

 

[GoBlazersGo]

"<video giving false information about BLM>"

"That's not accurate."

"I'm not sure that it's wrong, I'm still trying to research their goals."

"Here's a link to their goals."

"Look, you have your views and I have mine."

"Okay, but the information you're looking for is right here..."

"I like my group, they do good work."

"I'm sure they do, but that information is wr-"

"Hey, hey...I'm still researching. We'll see."

"But the information is right at this link."

"I don't care. You have your certain viewpoints, let's just leave it at that."

This has truly been a fascinating debate.

 

[julius]

"<video giving false information about BLM>"

"That's not accurate."

"I'm not sure that it's wrong, I'm still trying to research their goals."

"Here's a link to their goals."

"Look, you have your views and I have mine."

"Okay, but the information you're looking for is right here..."

"I like my group, they do good work."

"I'm sure they do, but that information is wr-"

"Hey, hey...I'm still researching. We'll see."

"But the information is right at this link."

"I don't care. You have your certain viewpoints, let's just leave it at that."

This has truly been a fascinating debate.

That's a common conversation style here.

 

[MARIS61]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/charred-body-found-in-destroyed-minneapolis-pawn-shop-months-after-riots

Charred body found in destroyed Minneapolis pawn shop months after riots

By Edmund DeMarche | Fox News
Authorities in Minneapolis made a grim discovery Monday when they recovered a charred body left in the wreckage of a pawn shop that was set on fire about two months ago at the height of the George Floyd protests in the city.

Fox 9 reported that the city’s police force is investigating. The body is believed to have been an adult male, the report said. The city’s medical examiner will work to determine the precise cause of death.

City police and other agencies, including the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were investigating Max It Pawn after a tip, the Star Tribune reported.

"The body appears to have suffered thermal injury and we do have somebody charged with setting fire to that place," John Elder, a police spokesman told the paper.

Montez Terrill Lee, 25, was charged federally for his alleged connection to the blaze, the report said.

 

[MARIS61]

Anti-cop 'mob' swarms Back the Blue event in Denver, bloodying several before shutting things down: reports
Acting Deputy Homeland Security Secretary Ken Cuccinelli tweeted, 'These tyrannical, left-wing anarchists hate free speech. If you do not agree with them, they believe you must be beaten down – literally'

By Danielle Wallace | Fox News

A large crowd of anti-cop demonstrators descended on a Back the Blue event in Denver on Sunday afternoon, blowing whistles, banging drums and, in some instances, throwing punches, forcing police to intervene before the gathering was effectively shut down early, according to reports.

The sixth annual Law Enforcement Appreciation Day event was scheduled to be held Sunday from 3 to 6 p.m. at the amphitheater in Civic Center Park in Denver. It was advertised by the Pro Police Rally Colorado Facebook page.

Randy Corporon, an attorney who helped organize the "family-friendly" event involving food and live music by Becker Band, said Denver Police Chief Paul Pazen had asked him to either reschedule or move the pro-police gathering from its normal location, citing a risk that officers could be put in danger as Black Lives Matter demonstrators planned a counter-protest also at the Civic Center Park.

NAVY VETERAN PRAISED AS 'CAPTAIN PORTLAND' AFTER BEATING BY FEDERAL OFFICERS DURING RIOTS

A man bleeds from his head after being injured at a pro-law enforcement rally that clashed with counter-protesters demonstrating against racial inequality, in Denver, Colorado, U.S. July 19, 2020. (Reuters/Kevin Mohatt)

“He was agitated that we're going to get his officers hurt,” Corporon told the Denver Post.“My response to him was that he should allow his officers to do their job and if people are down there breaking the law, to stop them. Because they'll have nothing to fear from us.”

“We’re exercising our constitutional right to peacefully assemble, and we have no intention of giving up that ground to these domestic terrorists,” he said before the event. “This chief of police is the guy who walked hand-in-hand with Black Lives Matter.”

“If you agree that the domestic terrorists don't own the streets and our parks in my birthplace, once beautiful Denver Colorado, please join me,” Corporon tweeted Saturday advertising the event the next day.

Shortly after the band began to play around 3 p.m. on Sunday, anti-police demonstrators, who greatly outnumbered the group who had shown up to show their support for law enforcement, moved into the amphitheater space and banged drums, blew whistles, clanged pots, clapped and shouted obscenities to drown out the music, according to the Denver Post.

Several people threw punches. Photos showed clashes between women from opposing sides pulling each other’s hair. One man was bloodied and had a large gash in his forehead.

Two women begin to fight at a pro-law enforcement rally that clashed with counter-protesters demonstrating against racial inequality, in Denver, Colorado, U.S. on July 19, 2020. (Reuters/Kevin Mohatt)

Officers on duty to monitor the event tried to form a line between the two groups but could not completely separate the opposing sides. Denver Police later confirmed they used chemical sprays in at least three separate instances to help disperse the crowd.

Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin posted several videos documenting the events Sunday as they unfolded. She said Black Lives Matter protesters swarmed the stage and attacked several women attending the pro-police rally, some using collapsable batons.

Acting Deputy Homeland Security Secretary Ken Cuccinelli reacted to the “Outrageous violence” seen in Denver Sunday, tweeting “These tyrannical, left-wing anarchists hate free speech. If you do not agree with them, they believe you must be beaten down – literally.”

Most of the people showing support for law enforcement had left within an hour. Anti-police demonstrators also stood in front of a police vehicle to prevent it from leaving, the Post reported.

One person was arrested for assault. Police said a supervisor was at the scene to ensure the two pepper ball deployments and one hand-held fog device deployment were carried out according to the department's policy.

Anti-police protesters, left, clash with a Pro-Police Rally supporter when dueling rallies collided at Civic Center Park on July 19, 2020 in Denver, Colorado. (Photo by Helen H. Richardson/MediaNews Group/The Denver Post via Getty Images)

“Our goal is to make sure everybody has the ability to exercise their First Amendment rights. Those tools are used only if there is some sort of disruption or threat to safety,” Denver police spokesman Tyrone Campbell told the Post.

The counter-protest was organized by Party for Socialism and Liberation, and other Black Lives Matter supporters, including the Afro-Liberation Front, according to KMGH-TV.

Lillian House, an organizer for the Party of Socialism and Liberation, said any celebration in support of police is “unacceptable” and “just all around out of touch with the struggles people are facing.”

"There's not much else to say other than every cop here is a terrorist by association," Hale Rardin, a Black Lives Matter supporter at the scene, told the station.

In response to the criticism against law enforcement, Pro Police Rally Colorado founder Ron MacLachlan said his group is not against police reform or Black Lives Matter advocating for racial justice but made a distinction that “We've got to stand with our men and women in law enforcement. Without them, we are in chaos and anarchy."

“The idea that these people have been around for the last six weeks going out and terrorizing different neighborhoods for a couple hours at a time, that's not acceptable," he said, referring to the civil unrest that's unfolded since George Floyd died in police custody in Minneapolis in May.

Before the event Sunday, MacLachlan said the pro-police gathering was not just for officers but also for their families. He pondered, “What kind of home are they in when they have that kind of tension going on inside their lives?"

Malkin also claimed MacLachlan “was beaten with just minutes after praying" by Black Lives Matter protesters using a bullhorn and a longhorn. She also said police Chief Pazen, “who marched with BLM last month, let pro-police patriots get beaten and silenced.”

 

[Lanny]

I don't fall for anything Robert Woodson has to say. In fact, my wife and I are considering joining his 1776 team. Deal with it.

That last statement is inflammatory.

 

[ABM]

The pot is usually the one calling the shots.

So, you are calling yourself a fascist then?

Sure, yeah...can't you tell that by now?

 

[ABM]

That last statement is inflammatory.

It was a rather hemorrhoidal remark.