OT Black Man In Minnesota Dies After Cop Kneels On His Neck/ Portland Riots

[Lanny]

my high school, Madison on 82nd is going to change the name too.

My first college roommate graduated from Madison a long time ago as in once upon a time.

 

[Orion Bailey]

My first college roommate graduated from Madison a long time ago as in once upon a time.

class of ‘91

 

[Lanny]

class of ‘91

You're just a baby. My little brother graduated from Lincoln in 1969.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You're just a baby. My little brother graduated from Lincoln in 1969.

awwee the summer of love...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[theprunetang]

Should have called it Chinook Land Independent Territory.

Those old white cops would NEVER find their hiding spot.

 

[Hoopguru]

Should have called it Chinook Land Independent Territory.

Those old white cops would NEVER find their hiding spot.

Chinook Winds needs to build a casino on the river!
Also, the PDP should hand out free hats to the Anarchist....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[GoBlazersGo]

"bLuE LiVeS mAtTer!"

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Change!

 

[Minstrel]

Change!

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

Only one way to find out!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Unmasked Walmart shopper is caught on camera pulling a GUN on customer during 'dispute about face coverings' as young girl attempts to pull victim away from the confrontation

• An unmasked shopper at a Florida Walmart pulled a gun on another customer who was wearing a facial covering, said the Palm Beach Sheriff's Office
• The incident at the Walmart store in Royal Palm Beach Sunday was caught on surveillance video
• Authorities released images of the gunman as he faced off with the mask-wearing customer, who also is seen being pulled away by a young girl
• Another masked customer is seen in the released images, who the gunman is alleged to have given the finger, cops said
• The gunman, who was seen pushing an elderly man in a wheelchair, left the store in a white van
• He was later found by cops, who said he is cooperating with an ongoing investigation

The sheriff's office declined to name the gunman, but said he was cooperating with an ongoing investigation looking into why he brandished the weapon.

'The suspect has been identified and is cooperating with the investigation,' said sheriff's spokeswoman Teri Barbera, in an email Wednesday sent to the Sun-Sentinel.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-fellow-shopper-wearing-facial-covering.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Unmasked Walmart shopper is caught on camera pulling a GUN on customer during 'dispute about face coverings' as young girl attempts to pull victim away from the confrontation

• An unmasked shopper at a Florida Walmart pulled a gun on another customer who was wearing a facial covering, said the Palm Beach Sheriff's Office
• The incident at the Walmart store in Royal Palm Beach Sunday was caught on surveillance video
• Authorities released images of the gunman as he faced off with the mask-wearing customer, who also is seen being pulled away by a young girl
• Another masked customer is seen in the released images, who the gunman is alleged to have given the finger, cops said
• The gunman, who was seen pushing an elderly man in a wheelchair, left the store in a white van
• He was later found by cops, who said he is cooperating with an ongoing investigation

The sheriff's office declined to name the gunman, but said he was cooperating with an ongoing investigation looking into why he brandished the weapon.

'The suspect has been identified and is cooperating with the investigation,' said sheriff's spokeswoman Teri Barbera, in an email Wednesday sent to the Sun-Sentinel.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-fellow-shopper-wearing-facial-covering.html

If that was a black man pulling a gun on a white man there wouldn't be an ongoing investigation. He would be arrested.

 

[THE HCP]

So the guy who pulls the gun has an American flag on the back of his t-shirt. Proud to be an American.......

 

[Road Ratt]

 

[tlongII]

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

Would you want that job?

 

[Minstrel]

Would you want that job?

Far more so than many other law enforcement jobs, if danger is what we're talking about. The idea that traffic stops need armed men and women to handle them is part of the problem of the absurd escalation in violence we see in law enforcement.

 

[tlongII]

Far more so than many other law enforcement jobs, if danger is what we're talking about. The idea that traffic stops need armed men and women to handle them is part of the problem of the absurd escalation in violence we see in law enforcement.

I completely disagree with this statement. You've got no idea what you're walking into during a traffic stop.

 

[Minstrel]

I completely disagree with this statement. You've got no idea what you're walking into during a traffic stop.

That's like saying parking meter readers should be armed because "you never know." What if someone was incensed over getting a ticket a minute after the meter ran out? Obviously, violence could erupt in any situation; that's a terrible reason for arming everyone.

Married women probably should be armed against their husbands more than police doing traffic stops, if the metric is likelihood to experience violence.

 

[tlongII]

That's like saying parking meter readers should be armed because "you never know." What if someone was incensed over getting a ticket a minute after the meter ran out? Obviously, violence could erupt in any situation; that's a terrible reason for arming everyone.

Married women probably should be armed against their husbands more than police doing traffic stops, if the metric is likelihood to experience violence.

False equivalence. There are so many things a cop can't see during a traffic stop.

 

[Minstrel]

False equivalence. There are so many things a cop can't see during a traffic stop.

Sure, and how many traffic stops erupt in violence? We don't need to wait for the future--what percentage of these stops are leading to armed violence (where the person stopped had a weapon)?

 

[e_blazer]

Far more so than many other law enforcement jobs, if danger is what we're talking about. The idea that traffic stops need armed men and women to handle them is part of the problem of the absurd escalation in violence we see in law enforcement.

In 2018, Oregon had 13,707 DUI cases. I don't see any way that you can safely turn the enforcement of drunk driving offenses over to glorified meter readers.

 

[tlongII]

Sure, and how many traffic stops erupt in violence? We don't need to wait for the future--what percentage of these stops are leading to armed violence (where the person stopped had a weapon)?

I would guess very few. But you can be damn sure you're glad you have a gun when they do.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Far more so than many other law enforcement jobs, if danger is what we're talking about. The idea that traffic stops need armed men and women to handle them is part of the problem of the absurd escalation in violence we see in law enforcement.

1009% disagree with this. Just google cop killed during traffic stop. (for videos)

 

[e_blazer]

I do think that speeding violations could be enforced with existing technology of radar and cameras to reduce the number of officer-involved traffic stops.

 

[Minstrel]

In 2018, Oregon had 13,707 DUI cases. I don't see any way that you can safely turn the enforcement of drunk driving offenses over to glorified meter readers.

Why not? Do they result in violence particularly often?

 

[e_blazer]

Why not? Do they result in violence particularly often?

There's certainly more potential for that with someone who's judgement is impaired. But that's not the main issue. In most if not all states, Oregon included, DUII can lead to felony charges that can result in prison time and loss of driving privileges. IMO, you need a law officer to gather evidence (field sobriety test, breathalyzer, etc) and, potentially, arrest the suspect.

 

[Minstrel]

There's certainly more potential for that with someone who's judgement is impaired. But that's not the main issue. In most if not all states, Oregon included, DUII can lead to felony charges that can result in prison time and loss of driving privileges. IMO, you need a law officer to gather evidence (field sobriety test, breathalyzer, etc) and, potentially, arrest the suspect.

What you're saying is that you need people with training. I think you've misunderstood my position, then. I wasn't saying we should send meter-readers out in police cars to do traffic stops. I brought up meter-readers as an argument that just because you could encounter violence doesn't mean it makes sense to be armed. I absolutely think traffic stops should be handled by trained police. I just don't think they necessarily need to be armed.

 

[e_blazer]

What you're saying is that you need people with training. I think you've misunderstood my position, then. I wasn't saying we should send meter-readers out in police cars to do traffic stops. I brought up meter-readers as an argument that just because you could encounter violence doesn't mean it makes sense to be armed. I absolutely think traffic stops should be handled by trained police. I just don't think they necessarily need to be armed.

We'll have to disagree on that one. As a citizen, I'm not going to ask a law enforcement officer to potentially put their life on the line without the ability to carry a firearm. I get that the Black community has a different perspective on this and I understand why, but I think disarming the police is not the answer. The answer has to be in increased training, psychological assessments, and stronger citizen oversight.