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David Hernandez Filmed Portland Police Fatally Shoot Robert Delgado in Lents Park: “It Was Horrifying”
By Suzette Smith |

David Hernandez was smoking a joint with a friend in a parking lot at the edge of Lents Park on the morning of April 16, when a man walked over to his auburn-colored Chevrolet Suburban. They exchanged greetings and smoked a little pot together.

Hernandez saw the handle of a gun hanging out of the man’s shirt pocket, obscured slightly by his jacket’s lapel.

“The clip was not in it,” Hernandez says. “I never knew about a BB gun having a clip, but apparently they do.” Had he seen the whole toy replica, he would have noticed the large orange tab at the front, meant to distinguish the toy from a real gun. As it was, Robert Delgado assured Hernandez and his friend that it was merely a BB gun.

The meeting was brief and uneventful; Hernandez says he was too high to remember what they talked about.

Hernandez recorded DeLong shooting Delgado. He allowed WW to record his cellphone video.

Content warning: This video contains images of a violent death and its aftermath.



It shows DeLong aiming at Delgado from 90 feet away, from behind a tree, as Delgado stands shirtless in the grass, tossing around the tent he’d slept in.

The video does not provide any evidence that DeLong violated protocol by shooting Delgado. But what is striking to the layman is how how long officers wait after the shooting before approaching Delgado on foot.

While the video is unclear about what caused police to shoot, Hernandez says he watched as Delgado reached down to pick up an object. Then, he says, DeLong fired.

For the next six minutes after DeLong fired the lethal shot, video shows Delgado lying prone in the grass, moving at least once. Police seem unsure whether Delgado still poses a threat. They issue orders to him over a loudspeaker: “If you reach for that gun again, you will be shot.” One officer appears to fire non-lethal rounds at Delgado, about four minutes after he falls to the grass.

A group of officers finally approaches Delgado, using a rolling patrol vehicle for cover. When they realize he’s dead, they begin placing crime tape at the scene.

Hernandez, who lives in his Chevy Suburban, spoke with WW reporters in the park this afternoon. He showed us his recording and answered questions about what he recalled from that morning in the park.

What did Delgado do after you two hung out?

He was folding up his tent, moving everything towards the fence. Getting ready to do his daily duties.

What made you start filming?

The first two officers showed up. They got out of their cars holding their weapons. And I said, ‘Oh shit, this is gonna be serious,’ so I just started filming.

What did the officers do when they arrived?

They showed up and immediately moved behind that tree. They didn’t talk to him, not till they were behind that tree. It was a little bit of time until they started making commands. They were studying him and looking at him.

When they pulled up, he just got irate, just crazy. I can understand. Not many people like the police. But police made several commands. He didn’t obey them. He bent over to pick something up. I seen it. I seen him pick something up, but I couldn’t see what it was. Soon as he stood up to look at them, they shot him two times from the AR-15.

They hit him, they hit him once. Couple minutes later another officer came around from the other side and shot the body with a beanbag to make sure he was dead. And then everybody approached him.

How was it filming that scene?

It was horrifying. We’ve all seen people passing, but I’ve never seen a life taken before in front of me. That really disturbs me because that’s just not right. If you’re able to see the whole film on my phone, you can understand why I’m really apprehensive about the police now. They don’t get enough training. They don’t. They just don’t.

You never saw him point the BB gun at the police?

No, not at all. A good part of the video he has his hands up. Empty hands, no shirt, and nothing around his waist.

Has the shooting changed your view about policing?

It really has. The officer did not take notes or actually investigate the scene. He jumped out of his car, made commands, shouted orders at the guy. I understand that might be procedure, if someone has a gun. But he came in combative.

How have Portland police treated you?

They were very, very nice. But I’m worried. I’m gonna testify. I’m gonna tell them exactly what I saw, exactly what everybody saw. But what I testify is going to impact the life of that officer. That worries me. I’m exhausted and I didn’t do shit.
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Sad, really really sad.
 
calvin natt said:
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Nothing disrespectful and I have an all weather American flag on my 20 foot lighted flag pole. I love the flag and sometimes fly my Army flag below the American flag. We try to set the flags at half mast whenever the President or our governor decrees. I literally am incapable of doing it physically but I get my wife to do it amongst all her other chores so sometimes it doesn't get done right away.
 
Some years ago a woman was shot dead by cops in San Jose. She had a history of mental disability. A neighbor heard her sobbing in her apartment and called 911, explaining the woman had mental health problems and asked they send a doctor, nurse, social worker, clergy member, someone who had experience calming distraught people. She also explained the woman, who was Vietnamese, did not speak English. They sent two English speaking cops, who broke down her door. The woman, seeing two strange men bursting in shouting at her, was terrified and grabbed a kitchen knife. She was under five feet tall and 90 pounds. The cops shot her dead in front of her children. Ruled justified.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Why isn't his primary concern ensuring that NOBODY gets killed? Again, she's a kid. She's not a hardened criminal. He shouldn't even have had his gun out. Knife crime is a bigger deal in the UK than here (because - no guns!) but the cops don't go around shooting people who have knives.



...if you ignore the entire history of this country and the fact that Kyle Rittenhouse WAS CARRYING A FUCKING ASSAULT RIFLE and ACTUALLY KILLED TWO PEOPLE and wasn't shot.
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Interesting point... What makes it an assault rifle? Was it select fire with both fully automatic and semi automatic capability?

What made that rifle more dangerous than a hunting rifle?
 
jonnyboy said:
They’re a bunch of white kids from the suburbs.
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Scary. Kill them all. This scourge of suburban white kids who feel empathy for those who are abused in our country must be stopped...

There is no other choice but to give up our 1st ammendment right to assembly and encourage police to beat random people who exercise that right.
 
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Tyrant of Ants said:
I'm still pissed at the Tamir Rice killing. That case saddened the hell out of me as my nephew was around his age at the time.
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My daughter is that age. Her friends are that age.

Those cops needed to be put in jail and the department which paid people like that to carry guns needs to be completely changed.

That poor child.
 
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Should have tazed the knife girl. Would have stopped her. But, she was about kill someone, so shooting her was understandable...sucks though to see cops always go straight to their guns.

The Lents cop should be fired and be held accountable for sure. Police need better training how to deal with the mentally ill and how to de-esculqte situations. Not run up, make demands with guns drawn, and then shoot seconds later. Those cops were behind trees, he wasn't pointing a gun at them. They were not in danger. And then they bean bagged his dead body? Jesus.
 
Chris Craig said:
Should have tazed the knife girl. Would have stopped her. But, she was about kill someone, so shooting her was understandable...sucks though to see cops always go straight to their guns.

The Lents cop should be fired and be held accountable for sure. Police need better training how to deal with the mentally ill and how to de-esculqte situations. Not run up, make demands with guns drawn, and then shoot seconds later. Those cops were behind trees, he wasn't pointing a gun at them. They were not in danger. And then they bean bagged his dead body? Jesus.
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1) Look how far he was in the video. Chances the tazer was going to stop her are slim
2) He walked out of his car holding the gun, he didnt have time to get his tazer (swap them out).

Reason he walked out with his gun is because on the 911 call he got 30 secs earlier, it sounded like it was life and death situation.

For people to argue against what the cop did is illogical.
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
1) Look how far he was in the video. Chances the tazer was going to stop her are slim
2) He walked out of his car holding the gun, he didnt have time to get his tazer (swap them out).

Reason he walked out with his gun is because on the 911 call he got 30 secs earlier, it sounded like it was life and death situation.

For people to argue against what the cop did is illogical.
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I think based on how things played out, this shooting was understandable enough that I wouldn't assume racism or psychopathy in this police officer.

I also think based on both recent and long-established history, it's understandable that many people have almost no trust in cops these days and I get why there's been some harsh snap reactions.
 
Meanwhile, Republican controlled states have another pet project, along with making it hard to vote and hating trans kids. Outlawing protests. Numerous states have bills pending to make civil disobedience, like sitting down on the streets, a felony. Various bills woul block anyone arrested for unlawful assembly from state jobs, running for office (which would have barred Julian Bond, John Lewis Vernon Jordan, and other civil rights leaders), barring anyone arrested for unlawful assembly from student loans, unemployment, or housing assistance. Baby rapers can get unemployment but not protesters.

Florida governor just signed a bill, surrounded by an all white group of legislators, making protest tactics a felony, absolving from damages anyone who drives a car into a crowd of demonstrators from being held responsible for injuries, and as icing on the rancid cake, protects confederate monuments. The law also prohibits local communities from making changes in public safety without the governor's consent.

And new voting restrictions will, they hope, keep Republicans in total control is state's governor, legislature, and courts.
 
crandc said:
Meanwhile, Republican controlled states have another pet project, along with making it hard to vote and hating trans kids. Outlawing protests. Numerous states have bills pending to make civil disobedience, like sitting down on the streets, a felony. Various bills woul block anyone arrested for unlawful assembly from state jobs, running for office (which would have barred Julian Bond, John Lewis Vernon Jordan, and other civil rights leaders), barring anyone arrested for unlawful assembly from student loans, unemployment, or housing assistance. Baby rapers can get unemployment but not protesters.

Florida governor just signed a bill, surrounded by an all white group of legislators, making protest tactics a felony, absolving from damages anyone who drives a car into a crowd of demonstrators from being held responsible for injuries, and as icing on the rancid cake, protects confederate monuments. The law also prohibits local communities from making changes in public safety without the governor's consent.

And new voting restrictions will, they hope, keep Republicans in total control is state's governor, legislature, and courts.
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With so many states legalizing or decriminalizing things like marijuana this is going to hurt the legal system. We have to fill this felony void. Otherwise we won't need as many jails, lawyers, etc. Since it's obvious that the majority of these protestors are high on the marijuanas laws like this will allow society to still punish and oppress these peoples.
 
Im sick of politics and the media and how it try's polarized everything it touches.
 
crandc said:
Forgot to add Florida bill denies bail to people arrested at protest.

I am sure they will make exceptions for Trumper insurrectionists.
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I'm sure it specifies only Dems, BLM or anarchists are denied bail.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Interesting point... What makes it an assault rifle? Was it select fire with both fully automatic and semi automatic capability?

What made that rifle more dangerous than a hunting rifle?
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I don't find that an interesting point. What is this obsession with the definition of "assault rifle"? Yes, I know that the A in AR-15 stands for Armalite.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I don't find that an interesting point. What is this obsession with the definition of "assault rifle"? Yes, I know that the A in AR-15 stands for Armalite.
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I asked a question. How is that an obsession?

You said it was an assault rifle. If it was a legally owned AR of any style, that's just flat out wrong. Assault rifles are capable of fully automatic fire. You can not legally own an assault rifle in the US without an incredibly expensive and invasive licensing process.

What this kid used to commit that terrible act was an underpowered hunting rifle which is used over 99.9% of the time to shoot rodents and paper targets.
 
Phatguysrule said:
What this kid used to commit that terrible act was an underpowered hunting rifle which is used over 99.9% of the time to shoot rodents and paper targets.
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"Underpowered" lol. Only in America, where SUVs are considered mid-size cars.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
"Underpowered" lol. Only in America, where SUVs are considered mid-size cars.
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An AR-15 is small enough that most states prohibit their use to hunt elk and they are on the small side for deer, so.... They are less powerful with a smaller round than most hunting rifles.

So, when I called it an "underpowered hunting rifle" I was being 100% accurate and when you called it an "assault rifle" you were 100% inaccurate.

The value in the AR15 is that it often looks "cool" (though, any rifle could be configured to look this way) and the rounds are less expensive (being smaller and mass produced to a greater extent than most other rounds).

So for people who like to shoot it's less costly to to go to the range if you are bringing your AR15 than your 30-30, 240, 270, 300, 30-06, 7mm, etc. See the AR-15 round below compared to the most common round used in hunting today (30-06).

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Phatguysrule said:
An AR-15 is small enough that most states prohibit their use to hunt elk and they are on the small side for deer, so.... They are less powerful with a smaller round than most hunting rifles.

So, when I called it an "underpowered hunting rifle" I was being 100% accurate and when you called it an "assault rifle" you were 100% inaccurate.

The value in the AR15 is that it often looks "cool" (though, any rifle could be configured to look this way) and the rounds are less expensive (being smaller and mass produced to a greater extent than most other rounds).

So for people who like to shoot it's less costly to to go to the range if you are bringing your AR15 than your 30-30, 240, 270, 300, 30-06, 7mm, etc. See the AR-15 round below compared to the most common round used in hunting today (30-06).

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Phatguysrule said:
An AR-15 is small enough that most states prohibit their use to hunt elk and they are on the small side for deer, so.... They are less powerful with a smaller round than most hunting rifles.

So, when I called it an "underpowered hunting rifle" I was being 100% accurate and when you called it an "assault rifle" you were 100% inaccurate.

The value in the AR15 is that it often looks "cool" (though, any rifle could be configured to look this way) and the rounds are less expensive (being smaller and mass produced to a greater extent than most other rounds).

So for people who like to shoot other people it's less costly to use an AR-15 than your 30-30, 240, 270, 300, 30-06, 7mm, etc. See the AR-15 round below compared to the most common round used in hunting today (30-06).

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Most of this post doesn't really matter as it's just semantics, except for the part I bolded and updated.
 
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Shaboid said:
Most of this post doesn't really matter as it's just semantics, except for the part I bolded and updated.
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No, that's a misquote and an absolute lie. Literally, far more than 99.99% of these guns are never used in a crime of any kind, let alone a murder.

In fact well over 99.99% of gun homicides are committed with a gun other than a rifle of any kind.

That's not semantics.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No, that's a misquote and an absolute lie. Literally, far more than 99.99% of these guns are never used in a crime of any kind, let alone a murder.

In fact well over 99.99% of gun homicides are committed with a gun other than a rifle of any kind.

That's not semantics.
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Alright man. Really I was only agreeing with you on the fact that .223 rounds are cheaper. Not sure where you are getting these 99.99% numbers, but okay.
 
Kentucky is considering a bill making it a crime to insult a police officer. The bystanders who called out Chauvin while he murdered George Floyd would be committing a crime. Cancel culture!

Under the newly signed Florida law the penalty for taking down a confederate traitor monument is quite literally equal to the sentence for first degree rape.

Oklahoma's newly signed law blocks prosecution of anyone who drives a car into protesters even if someone is killed. So the nazi now in prison for killing Heather Haier in Charlottesville wouldn't be charged. Nazi lives matter.
 
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