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Not arguing with you at all, but it's drifting off topic.
Lanny what? Crandc and I were having a conversation about Lebron statement. Seems you think I was bing bold trying to argue with ya, I would never attempt that Im not an argumentative person. The statement was to Crandc.
 
Lanny what? Crandc and I were having a conversation about Lebron statement. Seems you think I was bing bold trying to argue with ya, I would never attempt that Im not an argumentative person. The statement was to Crandc.
No, no, no, I tried to make it clear that I was not arguing with you and my comment about being bold was meant as a complement.
The thread title had to do with the kneeling on the neck of a black man. I just didn't see the connection with the Lebron comment.
Please forgive me for not following along.
Geez, you are one of the last people I would ever even think of giving a hard time to. Never have and never plan to. When? Never, that's when.
 
No, no, no, I tried to make it clear that I was not arguing with you and my comment about being bold was meant as a complement.
The thread title had to do with the kneeling on the neck of a black man. I just didn't see the connection with the Lebron comment.
Please forgive me for not following along.
Geez, you are one of the last people I would ever even think of giving a hard time to. Never have and never plan to. When? Never, that's when.
Alls sweet my pall ! The thread was started along time ago, like me. I often get off track on things now days. Keeping up on this forum is like riding wild horse or women, and making an effort to participate can be reckless at times. I love it when there is more humor inserted!
 
Alls sweet my pall ! The thread was started along time ago, like me. I often get off track on things now days. Keeping up on this forum is like riding wild horse or women, and making an effort to participate can be reckless at times. I love it when there is more humor inserted!
I certainly didn't mean to make a big deal out of it.
Yes, all's quiet on the Sly front. Get it? Western front, Sly front. Hey, I heard that groan from here.
 
It's weird because when I was a kid, cops wore the more dressy uniforms. They looked, I don't know if friendlier is the right word, but more engaging.

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Now, most cops look like troops on the street. The only thing they're missing is the AR-15/M4 rifle and the MICH helmet.

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If you had to choose between the two, which ones look more like members of the community and which ones look like they're out on patrol looking for the enemy?

i think its only fair to keep in mind criminals went from:

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To:

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Im not trying to condone abusive police at all. But the reasoning for cops to armor up more, started becoming valid when assult rifles found their ways into gangs and criminals hands.
 

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i think its only fair to keep in mind criminals went from:

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Im not trying to condone abusive police at all. But the reasoning for cops to armor up more, started becoming valid when assult rifles found their ways into gangs and criminals hands.
Maybe in places like LA or Chicago but how many shootouts were cops involved in here in Portland that involved an AR?

And if memory serves, law enforcement was fighting dudes with Tommy guns back in the 20s.
 
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Maybe in places like LA or Chicago but how many shootouts were cops involved in here in Portland that involved an AR?

And if memory serves, law enforcement was fighting dudes with Tommy guns back in the 20s.

i should clarify it wasn't just about the rifles, it was the body armor and militia style criminal that prompted law enforcement to change their training.
In the old mafia days they were laegely shooting each other with tommy guns. Not so much the cops and innocents.
Im just saying, right or wrong, it was the style and level of crimes emerging that prompted a shift in personal security for the officers to ensure no matter what they encounter they will have a certain level of protection for their life.

They went too far in their training, but i dont disagree with officers wearing body armor and such to protect themselves. So the look has changed no doubt. But i dont really blame them for wanting to protect themselves against any potential threat to thier life.

cops were dressed just like your first picture in the famous 97 bank robbery and they got slaughtered. It set a president for change.
Again. Too much change? Yes. But i dont think it was just because cops want to be bad cops or what not like so many have a narrative of.
 
I like this idea...

https://www.kcra.com/article/san-joaquin-county-town-welcomes-protesters-coffee-with-a-cop/36305811

San Joaquin County town welcomes protesters to 'Coffee with a Cop'

WOODBRIDGE, Calif. —

While many cities across the country have been trying to discourage protesters from demonstrating in the streets, a community in San Joaquin County is welcoming them.

Just outside of Lodi, the annual Coffee with a Cop event in the town of Woodbridge is scheduled for Saturday, and protesters with Progressive Unity plan on demonstrating there.

"Coffee with a Cop is our opportunity for our citizens to come and sit with our local law enforcement officers of multiple departments in a time of non-crisis," said organizer Terry Wells-Brown.

Officers from the California Highway Patrol, sheriff's office, district attorney's office and other agencies all show up for one-on-one conversations with members of the community.

Wells-Brown said the town has been hosting this annual event since 2015 and it's helped strengthen relationships between the community and law enforcement. But word started circulating about protesters picketing Saturday's event.

"Somebody sent me a flyer that Black Lives Matter were going to be protesting our Coffee with a Cop and we all have seen and heard those images of the bad things that can happen," Wells-Brown said.

Organizers with the protesters and Progressive Unity said the group is not affiliated with the Black Lives Matter or Justice for Breonna Taylor organizations, but stands with those ideals.

Instead of canceling the event, she decided to host the demonstrators as well.

"We can be hospitable, or we can be hostile, and I don't want to be hostile. So, I thought, 'I'm going to welcome them. I hope they come. I want them here. Our businesses need them,'" Wells-Brown said. "The fact is that they have something to say. They need a place to say it."

Community leaders are going to give the protesters a front row spot to demonstrate in front of Woodbridge Florist directly across the street and they're going to provide the protesters with water, coffee, donuts and pizza.

The manager of Oddfellows, the restaurant where the event will be held, said there was no way they were going to cancel.

"The reason we decided to do it was because the community here is so strong and we want to support the community, and the cops are so awesome here that it seems like a no-brainer," said Kaitlyn Joachim.

So this year's event will go on as planned, but with a few welcome changes.

"I'm tired of the fighting. Like, we're all tired of the fighting," said Wells-Brown. "Hopefully, we can bridge some gaps."
 
Maybe in places like LA or Chicago but how many shootouts were cops involved in here in Portland that involved an AR?

And if memory serves, law enforcement was fighting dudes with Tommy guns back in the 20s.
I have a friend who still keeps a loaded Tommy gun (.50 cal.) in his car. He had to use it once to prevent a car jacking. The car-jacker got sent running.
 
I have a friend who still keeps a loaded Tommy gun (.50 cal.) in his car. He had to use it once to prevent a car jacking. The car-jacker got sent running.

Is this the car he prevented from being stolen?

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Tired of black kids being shot by cops?

Now, the narrative (which may be true, I don't kn0w) is that she was about to stab someone. Is shooting her the only way to stop her? I find that very hard to believe.

the full video was posted a few posts above? Maybe watch it before finding things hard to believe? Just a suggestion. :)
 
i should clarify it wasn't just about the rifles, it was the body armor and militia style criminal that prompted law enforcement to change their training.
In the old mafia days they were laegely shooting each other with tommy guns. Not so much the cops and innocents.
Im just saying, right or wrong, it was the style and level of crimes emerging that prompted a shift in personal security for the officers to ensure no matter what they encounter they will have a certain level of protection for their life.

They went too far in their training, but i dont disagree with officers wearing body armor and such to protect themselves. So the look has changed no doubt. But i dont really blame them for wanting to protect themselves against any potential threat to thier life.

cops were dressed just like your first picture in the famous 97 bank robbery and they got slaughtered. It set a president for change.
Again. Too much change? Yes. But i dont think it was just because cops want to be bad cops or what not like so many have a narrative of.
So two things. Body armor is one thing, plate carriers are something else entirely.

Secondly, the kind of body armor they wear won’t stop a rifle round. In order to be protected from something as large as 5.56 or 7.62 they would need ballistic plates. Those are much larger and would require a more serious plate carrier. Most cops wear Kevlar and Kevlar won’t stop anything more than a pistol round.
 
So two things. Body armor is one thing, plate carriers are something else entirely.

Secondly, the kind of body armor they wear won’t stop a rifle round. In order to be protected from something as large as 5.56 or 7.62 they would need ballistic plates. Those are much larger and would require a more serious plate carrier. Most cops wear Kevlar and Kevlar won’t stop anything more than a pistol round.

im no expert on armor and what cant cant work against different types of bullets. Im just saying that the resulting effect of having cops look like militia didn't just get whipped up without a thread of credence. There were situations that led to cops increasing things. The issue is they went way too far on certain aspects and seemed to forget about the innocent until proven guilty concept.
Many changes need to happen in recruiting, training and social interaction with citizens.
But its not like cOps went overboard with no reason at all is all im saying.
 
im no expert on armor and what cant cant work against different types of bullets. Im just saying that the resulting effect of having cops look like militia didn't just get whipped up without a thread of credence. There were situations that led to cops increasing things. The issue is they went way too far on certain aspects and seemed to forget about the innocent until proven guilty concept.
Many changes need to happen in recruiting, training and social interaction with citizens.
But its not like cOps went overboard with no reason at all is all im saying.



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Portland police consider saying goodbye to two-tone 'Portland Blue' uniforms
By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive
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View full sizeBenjamin Brink/The OregonianPortland Police Chief Mike Reese says he likes the lighter feel of the new, single-tone dark Navy blue uniform that may soon replace the bureau's historical two-tone garb. But the chief, modeling the new uniform in this photo, isn't willing to give up the brass badge for a sewn-on cloth badge that other agencies now have.

The familiar two-tone Portland police uniform, with its unique "Portland Blue" shirts and darker blue trousers, may soon become so last season.

The bureau is considering replacing its nearly five decades-old uniform, and outfitting officers in the single-tone, dark navy blue commonly referred to as

"I think a lot of people will be sad because this is iconic. It's going to be sad to say goodbye to this," said Sgt. Kristy Galvan, her hand running over the current two-tone uniform that has identified Portland cops since 1962.

But the bureau needs to trim costs, and other options provide greater flexibility, not to mention rain resistance.

"For practicality sake, for those police officers running after bad guys, getting in and out of cars making traffic stops, they deserve something better," Galvan argues. "Officers need pockets in different places. They need to have the stretch. They need to have something that water beads off of."

The dark blue uniforms are much lighter, provide more pockets on cargo-type pants, and are easier to obtain as the color has become the standard dye for law enforcement.

"It is very comfortable,"

agreed, modeling his test uniform. "I like the look."

Other agencies around the region, such as Gresham, Beaverton, Hillsboro and Salem, have gone to the LAPD look, but some larger agencies have been reluctant to change.

shirt and dark trousers.

"I think there was some talk of possibly changing it, but it didn't get much traction," said Seattle Detective Mark Jamieson, department spokesman. "We're certainly identifiable."

Hillsboro police had worn the "Portland Blue" two-tone uniform, but gradually phased it out over two years, moving as well to the darker LAPD blue. Now only four top commanders still wear the old uniform.

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The Oregonian/1911Police fashions evolve. Portland patrolman Endicott resembled a British bobby when he marched with President Theodore Roosevelt in 1911.

"From the day I got here, I said, 'Let's go to a dark blue.' I started my career in Los Angeles, so I was biased," Hillsboro Lt. Michael Rouches said. "But I also think it resonates quicker with a lot of people that 'It's the police.' "

Some veteran Portland cops are leery of the change.

"The reality is that policing is kind of traditional," North Precinct Cmdr. Jim Ferraris said. "Our uniform really does set us apart because it's so distinctive."

"I've worn this for 20 years, and I like it," Traffic Capt. Todd Wyatt said. "It's a good-looking uniform, and I think it's what the citizens expect to see of a Portland officer."

Galvan estimates the bureau will save up to $250,000 next year by changing to LAPD blue, phasing in the new uniforms by precinct. The bureau also plans to appoint a quartermaster to inventory the police uniforms for greater accountability, something that's been lacking, considering the pile of discarded uniforms on the 16th floor of the bureau.

A group of Portland officers is trying out uniforms from different manufacturers. The bureau will seek a request for bids, and plans to award a new contract by January.

Because the bureau's "Portland Blue" garb, with a distinctive stripe down the side of the trousers, is custom-made, it's more expensive. Its long-sleeved shirt can run from $58 to $108 depending whether it is pure polyester, polyreon or polywool, while the standard single-tone, dark-blue uniforms, including top and bottom, can run under $100.

The newer uniforms are made of either pure polyester, or a blend of polyester, reyon and lycra, and are wash-and-wear.

"Feel how light," Reese said, offering his sleeve for a touch -- a marked difference from the weightier historic Portland uniform.

Galvan picked officers of all sizes and ranks to wear the different options, and provide feedback. Galvan was surprised to find some brands didn't make separate styles or sizes for women. "Which is silly," Galvan said.

Among the most common complaints about the current uniform is the cost of dry cleaning, and how it performs in rain.

"You'd be a wet dog out there in this one," Galvan says. "I mean, we're Oregon! What, does it rain 200 days out of the year?"

Galvan spilled drops of water on the dark blue uniforms under consideration, and the drops stayed on the surface.

Ferraris, in his 27th year with the bureau, said he hopes whatever is chosen is professional without being too military-looking. "Something that drapes nicely and hangs nicely, and is not this wash-and-wear mess that after a few wears looks like you slept in them."

With a change in uniform color, the police patch will also be altered, from its current bright royal blue background to a more subdued navy blue. Greg Nebeker, manager of Blumenthal Uniforms, said the "Portland Blue" two-tone police uniform is slowly getting phased out.

"As mills go out of business, it's more difficult to obtain," he said. "The dark navy is well-stocked. But you do lose a little identity. It comes down to tradition versus practicality."

And, those short, formal so-called Ike police jackets with clip-on ties?

Aside from command staff, expect them to follow the path of the old police capes, and police skirts.

"When do we wear those? For funerals?" Galvan said. "Why are they necessary? They're $250 apiece!"

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Chicago Police Need “Overhaul” After Foot Chases Led to Alvarez & Toledo Killings Within 48 Hours.

 
How callous Colorado cops left 73-year-old dementia sufferer in a cell for six HOURS after breaking her arm and dislocating her shoulder over $13 stolen groceries - and laughed as she cried out for a doctor
  • Loveland Police Officers Austin Hopp and Daria Jalali arrested Karen Garner, 73, on June 26, 2020, after she left Walmart without paying $13-worth of items
  • Footage from Hopp's body-camera shows him slamming Garner, who has dementia, to the ground, causing her to fracture her elbow and dislocate her arm
  • In the first hour in custody, Garner screamed out in pain or pleaded for help 51 times, according to an amended lawsuit
  • Attorney Sarah Schielke told DailyMail.com that Garner still doesn't have full mobility of her arm, 'Mentally it's a heartbreaking picture'
  • New video released by an attorney for Garner's family on Monday purportedly showed the officers laughing at body-camera footage of the arrest hours later
  • Hopp is heard saying: 'Ready for the pop?' at the moment Garner's arm came out of its socket
  • Schielke filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Hopp on April 15
  • State prosecutors subsequently opened a criminal investigation into Hopp, Jalali and their supervisor, Sgt Phil Metzler
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hout-medical-care-SIX-HOURS-cops-laughed.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-former-colorado-officers-charged-214405705.html

The officers involved have been fired and are facing 6 charges.
 
This is the kind of shit I'm talking about regarding their training. How does his partner see that and not see what he's doing is fucked up? It looked fucked up enough for a passerby to stop and questioned what they were doing to that lady. Watch the video. It's pathetic how that cop handled that elderly lady.

Loveland police face federal civil rights lawsuit over arrest of 73-year-old woman



https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-former-colorado-officers-charged-214405705.html

The officer who brutally assaulted her is fired and facing charges. His partner is fired and facing charges for not intervening.
 
Report Documents 32,542 Police Killings in U.S. Since 2000 with Vast Undercount of People of Color.

 
I bet I know who HE voted for. You on here who did as well, should feel VERY proud of your brethren.


They can rebury him at Mar A Lago. Trump can get an extra tax deduction.
 
In response to protests Florida passed laws making blocking streets a felony and immunizing from prosecution anyone who drives a car into protesters. Governor DeathSantis insisted it was about public safety, not politics.

Last week Florida streets were repeatedly blocked by protests against the Cuban government. No one was arrested, much less charged with felony. Because Republicans claim to support the protests. Although not crazy about democracy here.

It was about politics. No surprise.
 

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