Black People can't be racist (2 Viewers)

[riverman]

I post things to derail threads all the time.

Some threads need derailing.

dogs can sniff things out better than humans

 

[Denny Crane]

great post Denny

The Chicago police got caught. I have no doubt it occurs many places, north and south.

This is the significance of BLM, and why white peoples' anecdotes dilute and harm a good cause.

I spent the night in jail on a Friday and got married the next day. Cops pulled me over for riding my dirt bike in the street, 2 blocks from the gas station to home.

Sure I was pissed, but it's not even in the same universe as what my black friends go through.

 

[MarAzul]

I like dviss, I've gotten way too serious a few times in threads myself. I think meeting all of you folks would be interesting and I hope to meet some of you one day. It's not easy to raise issues that we're personally invested in. I posted the comedy skits to lighten the mood, not derail the discussion.

I don't think you did anything wrong. To the contrary, quite commendable for a liberal

 

[jlprk]

But seriously though, what is an acceptable number of people that could be killed by police in the line of duty? If there are almost 320 million people in this country, and there are always going to be a number of crimes committed every year, what is an acceptable number of people that are shot by police in self defense?

Obviously some of the police shootings were messed up. Obviously there's going to be some bad cops. There's over a million cops in the US across federal, state, and local agencies. One million cops to police 320 million people. What is an acceptable number of shootings in the line of duty for 1 million officers?

They're acceptable, as long as the police get life sentences or death sentences, the same as the penalties those very same policemen enforce upon you and me.

But 99% aren't punished with even a week in prison.

 

[riverman]

The Chicago police got caught. I have no doubt it occurs many places, north and south.

This is the significance of BLM, and why white peoples' anecdotes dilute and harm a good cause.

I spent the night in jail on a Friday and got married the next day. Cops pulled me over for riding my dirt bike in the street, 2 blocks from the gas station to home.

Sure I was pissed, but it's not even in the same universe as what my black friends go through.

I'm sure it wasn't, and we all realize the guilt that racism and cops who racially profile and even torture blacks do to stunt progress. You can, however empathize and understand the injustice from a white perspective as well as a black perspective or any minority perspective. To discuss these issues, it's important to see folks even give a shit that something is wrong at all. When I hear of a person arrested for jaywalking, I'm probably going to mention my experience being arrested for jaywalking and not think about being white..in my view, we do live in the same universe

 

[Denny Crane]

We want to live in the same universe, but it isn't a single universe for many many black folks, especially in the places where the protests go on.

Daley, mayor of Chicago, built government housing, known as projects. Invited as many black people as possible to move in, then built freeways around the projects to effectively keep the black people in. And diminish economic prospects.

Same story in Detroit, Baltimore, D.C., east Palo Alto, and so on.

Land in the neighborhoods zoned for toxic waste dumps.

Public school money diverted to the suburbs.

Laws on the books against shining shoes in public. Why would that be?

War on drugs (black enterprises). Harsher laws for likely black incarcerated than for serious crimes (like rape, burglary, battery...).

No, not the same universe.

No need to be guilty about it. Just recognize it and respect the people who are affected. Stamp out this institutionalized racism wherever it is found.

And more importantly, trust black people can thrive if left to their own devices and not harassed by police or other government officials.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I agree with pretty much everything you said except that white people's anecdotes harm a good cause. How is that the case? I just don't see how simply talking about bad things that happen to white people diminishes anything else you said. It doesn't mean we don't respect or care that other people have it worse.

 

[oldfisherman]

Low-income housing projects are NOT restricted to any one particular race or ethnic group.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Low-income housing projects are NOT restricted to any one particular race or ethnic group.

No but in the inner cities, you're likely to only see black and Hispanic families.

 

[Denny Crane]

I agree with pretty much everything you said except that white people's anecdotes harm a good cause. How is that the case? I just don't see how simply talking about bad things that happen to white people diminishes anything else you said. It doesn't mean we don't respect or care that other people have it worse.

Diminish the brand.

Insinuate you have this one thing in common. You don't.

 

[Denny Crane]

There were no white people living in Cabrini Green or the Robert Taylor homes.

Mayor Jane Byrne symbolically moved in for a few days once. It was a circus.

Daley was well known to be racist, antisemite, etc.

 

[riverman]

poor white neighborhoods are usually rural. poor minority neighborhoods are usually urban. more violent crime is found in both demographics. both feel the need for weapons to protect themselves ..is racism a distraction from classism in modern society?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Diminish the brand.

Insinuate you have this one thing in common. You don't.

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see white people complaining about institutionalized racism.

 

[oldfisherman]

Diminish the brand.

Insinuate you have this one thing in common. You don't.

Think you slid too far back in the saddle with this topic, and the horse kicked you in the head.

Finding things we have in common is what is going to end racism.
The more you promote separate brands, the more chance for racism to exist.

 

[Denny Crane]

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see white people complaining about institutionalized racism.

"You suffer from all this racism. I got a jaywalking ticket, so we are even."

Get it?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

poor white neighborhoods are usually rural. poor minority neighborhoods are usually urban. more violent crime is found in both demographics. both feel the need for weapons to protect themselves ..is racism a distraction from classism in modern society?

No I think racism and classism are distractions from a lack of parental control in modern society, look in poor neighborhoods regardless of race. They're usually uneducated and kids are running around with the wrong people because they're being systematically used by the gangs/drug dealers to move product or kill.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

"You suffer from all this racism. I got a jaywalking ticket, so we are even."

Get it?

You're just making up the "so we are even" part.

 

[riverman]

I grew up in the 50s in a county with no black residents but a large Native American reservation. The contrast was pronounced and they were the oppressed minority group. Now, that has changed drastically

"You suffer from all this racism. I got a jaywalking ticket, so we are even."

Get it?

I don't think anyone is making that comparison Denny except you in this example. Human injustice affects humanity. Racism is part of that equation. We react to injustice accordingly. Being harassed by a cop happens to lots of folks..white civil rights workers have died to protect civil rights and because they were white does not make their deaths any less tragic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers'_murders

 

[Denny Crane]

You're just making up the "so we are even" part.

You can tell from dviss1's reaction that it is how it's coming across.

He's said a few times that idiot police who harass anyone need to be dealt with. But you getting a jaywalking ticket and him getting stopped in the park while jogging, and for no good reason, are not equivalent.

 

[speeds]

I keep seeing this thread title and reading it as "Black People can't resist"

Can't resist what?!

 

[Denny Crane]

I grew up in the 50s in a county with no black residents but a large Native American reservation. The contrast was pronounced and they were the oppressed minority group. Now, that has changed drastically

I don't think anyone is making that comparison Denny except you in this example. Human injustice affects humanity. Racism is part of that equation. We react to injustice accordingly. Being harassed by a cop happens to lots of folks..white civil rights workers have died to protect civil rights and because they were white does not make their deaths any less tragic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers'_murders

Indians are literally a nation unto themselves. They were badly mistreated and their land taken from them.

It is not the same as being brought here in chains, families sold off in different directions, zero freedom, no rights, and over a century of establishing laws and business codes to exclude them once free.

Black lives matter is a response to this mistreatment over a long period of time.

No jaywalking ticket comes anywhere close.

Once you get it, you'll get it.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Indians are literally a nation unto themselves. They were badly mistreated and their land taken from them.

It is not the same as being brought here in chains, families sold off in different directions, zero freedom, no rights, and over a century of establishing laws and business codes to exclude them once free.

Black lives matter is a response to this mistreatment over a long period of time.

No jaywalking ticket comes anywhere close.

Once you get it, you'll get it.

What about Irish immigrants ? They went through many of these same injustices

 

[riverman]

You can tell from dviss1's reaction that it is how it's coming across.

He's said a few times that idiot olive who harass anyone need to be dealt with. But you getting a jaywalking ticket and him getting stopped in the park while jogging, and for no good reason, are not equivalent.

Getting stopped without probable cause is the same thing. Getting stopped because you are black or a hippy is unfair treatment. You are right, it needs to be dealt with. Being hispanic and having your ID checked is unfair treatment. Nobody disagrees here about these things but if you want white americans to own their inherited guilt, that's a fair point. Cops who abuse their public trust don't get to determine that if we have an even playing field and we don't have an even playing field here just like I would not have an even playing field in certain neighborhoods in Hawaii for instance. So we talk about these things. You don't get to determine the level of fairness or unfairness as it relates to my experiences or dviss experiences..he does and I do.

 

[Denny Crane]

What about Irish immigrants ? They went through many of these same injustices

You're white. You blend in. Assimilation was quite easy and done long long ago.

You were never slaves.

 

[Denny Crane]

Getting stopped without probable cause is the same thing. Getting stopped because you are black or a hippy is unfair treatment. You are right, it needs to be dealt with. Being hispanic and having your ID checked is unfair treatment. Nobody disagrees here about these things but if you want white americans to own their inherited guilt, that's a fair point. Cops who abuse their public trust don't get to determine that if we have an even playing field and we don't have an even playing field here just like I would not have an even playing field in certain neighborhoods in Hawaii for instance. So we talk about these things. You don't get to determine the level of fairness or unfairness as it relates to my experiences or dviss experiences..he does and I do.

It's not the same thing.

When you get stopped daily, then you have a point.

 

[riverman]

Indians are literally a nation unto themselves. They were badly mistreated and their land taken from them.

It is not the same as being brought here in chains, families sold off in different directions, zero freedom, no rights, and over a century of establishing laws and business codes to exclude them once free.

Black lives matter is a response to this mistreatment over a long period of time.

No jaywalking ticket comes anywhere close.

Once you get it, you'll get it.

I think you're comparison's are assuming we don't live by those principles. My grandmother is native american. I can talk about that because I've grown up around it. If you think Native Americans weren't mistreated over a long period of time, you and I have different views of American history. The thread is a forum to discuss racism and cite examples and exceptions. I experienced a lot of racial tensions in Viet Nam from black and white americans. Neither was justified. If you think a black soldier calling an asian a gook is ok because he's black, I disagree and it has nothing to do with jaywalking tickets or your night in jail. I believe all humans can be guilty of racism and none should practice it

 

[riverman]

If I were aware of cops stopping black people daily because they are black, I'd go out of my way to see they were reported and lost their job. Dviss and I discussed the lack of training and accountability that cops get before they are empowered, that is a different subject

 

[oldfisherman]

Indians are literally a nation unto themselves. They were badly mistreated and their land taken from them.

It is not the same as being brought here in chains, families sold off in different directions, zero freedom, no rights, and over a century of establishing laws and business codes to exclude them once free.

.

About the time Grant was President, most Native American Indians where shipped to containment reservations, many where thousands of miles from their home. The Indians had no rights at these reservations, let alone enough to eat, and could not leave, which made them nothing more than prisons.

Some of the Indians where eventually permitted to return to a reservation near their home land, some were not. Many family members were separated by thousands of miles and never saw each other again before they passed away.

Then there was the bounty placed by the State of CA on the Native American Indians. The going rate was $5 to $10 per head. Just in one year, CA paid out $1 million in bounties for Indians hunted down and killed. Somehow the bounty on Indians is always left out of our history books.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Wrong denny. Irish immigrants were slaves at one time

 

[riverman]

Racism in the United States
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Part of a series of articles on
Racial segregation

Australia
White Australia policy, Freedom Ride (Australia)
South Africa

• Apartheid legislation
• Bantustan
• Bantu Education Act
• Group Areas Acts
• Pass laws

United States

• Black Codes
• Blockbusting
• Chinese Exclusion Act
• Immigration Act of 1924
• Indian Appropriations
• Indian Removal Act
• Japanese American internment
• Jim Crow laws
• Proposition 14
• Racial steering
• Redlining
• School segregation

• Segregation academy

• Separate but equal
• Sundown town

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Racism and ethnic discrimination in the United States has been a major issue since the colonial era and the slave era. Legally or socially sanctioned privileges and rights were given to White Americans that were not granted to Native Americans, African Americans, Asian Americans, and Latin Americans. European Americans (particularly Anglo Americans) were granted in matters of education, immigration, voting rights, citizenship, land acquisition, and criminal procedure over periods of time extending from the 17th century to the 1960s. However, non-Protestant immigrants from Europe; particularly Jews, Irish people, Poles and Italians, suffered xenophobic exclusion and other forms of ethnicity-based discrimination in American society, and were not considered fullywhite.

Major racially and ethnically structured institutions included slavery, Indian Wars, Native American reservations, segregation,residential schools for Native Americans, and internment camps.[1] Formal racial discrimination was largely banned in the mid-20th century, and came to be perceived as socially unacceptable and/or morally repugnant as well.

Racial politics remains a major phenomenon. Racism continues to be reflected in socioeconomic inequality,[2] and has taken on more modern, indirect forms of expression, most prevalently symbolic racism.[3] Racial stratification continues to occur in employment, housing, education, lending, and government.

In the view of the U.S. Human Rights Network, a network of scores of U.S. civil rights and human rights organizations, "Discrimination permeates all aspects of life in the United States, and extends to all communities of color".[4] While the nature of the views held by average Americans have changed much over the past several decades, surveys by organizations such as ABC Newshave found that, even recently, large sections of Americans self-admit to holding discriminatory viewpoints; for example, a 2007 article by the organization stated that about one in ten held admitted to holding prejudices against Hispanic-Americans and about one in four did so regarding Arab-Americans.[5]



Contents
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• 1 African Americans
  • 1.1 Pre-Civil War
    • 1.1.1 Atlantic slave trade
    • 1.1.2 Steps toward abolition of slavery
  • 1.2 Reconstruction Era to WWII
    • 1.2.1 Reconstruction Era
    • 1.2.2 Post-Reconstruction Era
    • 1.2.3 The Great Migration
  • 1.3 WWII to Civil Rights Era
  • 1.4 Present
• 2 Asian Americans
• 3 European immigrants
• 4 Latin Americans
• 5 Middle Eastern and South Asian Americans
  • 5.1 Arab Americans
  • 5.2 Iranian Americans
  • 5.3 Antisemitism
    • 5.3.1 New antisemitism
  • 5.4 Antiziganism
• 6 Native Americans
  • 6.1 Reservation marginalization
  • 6.2 Assimilation
• 7 Consequences
  • 7.1 Developmental
  • 7.2 Societal
    • 7.2.1 Schemas and stereotypes
    • 7.2.2 Formal discrimination
    • 7.2.3 Interpersonal discrimination
  • 7.3 Institutional
    • 7.3.1 Immigration
    • 7.3.2 Wealth
    • 7.3.3 Health care
    • 7.3.4 Politics
    • 7.3.5 Justice system
• 8 Contemporary issues in American racism
  • 8.1 Hate crimes
  • 8.2 Hateful views from Americans
  • 8.3 Whitopia
• 9 Alleviation
• 10 See also
• 11 References