Black People can't be racist (1 Viewer)

[julius]

In 'murica if anyone can grow up to be president then anyone can grow up to be racist.

and if you're lucky, both!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

and if you're lucky, both!

Never be afraid to dream.

 

[dviss1]

Could you give me some examples of what white people in Portland would complain about? Personally, I can't think of any time where I have felt discriminated against because of my race. I have definitely felt discriminated against because of my age. I have always looked younger than I am, and I have felt a bunch of times that my opinion was valued less because someone thought I was really young. In that regard, it doesn't feel good to feel discounted because of something that's outside of your control.

You're a young white male you're going to be ok. Its the older white males that are getting age discrimination. That age discrimination you believe you're getting has not done anything adversely to your upward mobility has it?

You, and the videochick, both demand that we ignore our reality and pretend that we're in your shoes.

Then you prove you've never done it yourself with this stupid comment.

Honestly, when White people complain about racism, it's often met with an eyeroll because racism really doesn't effect them at all except by simply being irritated (please don't bring up affirmative action when Black unemployment is through the roof).

Ignore your reality? Whatever dude... No one in here including you has ever brought up anything about How racism really adversely effects white people as a whole. It affects us with housing, jobs, health care, the ability to get into schools, upward mobility etc. Nobody is asking you to accept racism at all. But the truth is that it doesn't really affect you when someone calls you a cracker. Nobody's asking you to accept anything but I bet if someone called you cracker you wouldn't give a shit. You could literally think in your head, just have fun trying to get a job Jerome. And you'd be right. This is why I don't like debating this topic with white males.

 

[dviss1]

Holy Crap! What the hell is really sad is none of the Black people that speak on this tragedy, ever speak of the real problem, and you just walked right over it again.
Neighborhood watch is use all over the country. Another guy and myself set one up in our neighborhood about 15 years ago. The key to it is having neighbors watch out for each other
and the watcher knowing the people that live in the neighborhood.

Now here is how I see that tragedy unfold.

1. Trayvon's moved into the neighborhood but no one informed the neighborhood watch. Normally that job would fall to his father or mother.

2. His father never taught the lad that you do not do Whoop Ass on the neighborhood watch.

3. The neighborhood watch was not well trained at all. One little guy should not be out on patrol alone, especially one that looks like he might be an easy mark to practice Whoop Ass on.
Of course that leads to bad things happening.

No empathy whatsoever no empathy whatsoever. Just deal with it and stop whining. The amount of bullshit in this post barely requires a response. It's just full of whatever I don't give a shit. So just stop responding to me Mar Azul I don't like you. Your post is full of bulshit. Trayvon shouldn't have been chased in the first place. Refuting this amount of bullshit is a full time job. Your own stand-your-ground law the one that you love gives Trayvon the ability to stop running and defend himself from his grown man attacker. He was following him and then began chasing him. What are we supposed to tell our children when a stranger is following them? When was Trayvon within his right to stand his ground? You are full of shit.

 

[dviss1]

You may not think that it's laid out for me, but I've been told that countless times by others.

That may get on your nerves I'm sure. But realistically did it affect you adversely or did it just get on your nerves?

 

[dviss1]

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1987/02/a-question-of-fairness/306370/

I am a Thomas fan. He was a black panther type, a black nationalist, Malcolm X kind of guy.

He didn't benefit from AA, he had a perfect or near perfect GPA.

Read the Atlantic article.

He is not evil... Those who say he has THE black seat are. There's no rule SCOTUS can't be 9 black persons.

Carson is a smart and accomplished fellow, but his folksy common sense isn't common sense to me.

When your wife works for the health care lobby, you should recuse yourself from any case regarding health care. He's a huge corporatist. Corporatists pollute the Supreme Court.

 

[Denny Crane]

When your wife works for the health care lobby, you should recuse yourself from any case regarding health care. He's a huge corporatist. Corporatists pollute the Supreme Court.

Odd how lefties wanted Thomas to recuse himself, assuring ObamaCare would pass supreme court muster, but didn't want Kagan or Ginsberg to over gay marriage. Both had officiated gay marriages - obviously couldn't be impartial.

I'm glad none of them did. They shouldn't be intimidated by partisans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/opinion/the-supreme-courts-recusal-problem.html?_r=0

Liberals in Congress have called for Justice Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from the review of the health care reform law because his wife, Virginia, has campaigned fervently against it. Conservatives insist that Justice Elena Kagan should remove herself from the case because, they claim, as solicitor general she was more involved in shaping the law than she lets on.

Interest groups keep stirring the fight, though, so far, no party in the case has asked either justice to step aside and experts in legal ethics generally concur that a strong case for recusal hasn’t yet been made.

 

[donkiez]

See talked way too fast to clearly understand her message. My first impression is, she is a very smart person using a bunch of dumb ideas trying to create a believable theory.

However I can not be sure since she uses so much misdirection information. I would need to study a transcript of her message to possibly have an understanding of what she is trying to say.

It was actually a good message. I put it there not in jest but so some people could get a better idea of what Black People Can't be Racist means. She acknowledges the fallacies of the statement but still gets across why its an important message to have. I think further had it right in that its a jump off point for discussion, and Dviss has it right in that ultimately it has to do with empathy and respect. The issue I have with the statement though is that some people take that message and run with it to a point of being militant. The statement is meant to give oppressed people power and for some people that oppression and new power distorts them. When you see a bunch of black people crashing political rallies saying "black people cant be racist" and "you are the problem" then its a little off putting, puts me on the defensive and just makes me think that they are crazy.

 

[donkiez]

I get it. And I do feel bad knowing someone goes through life having to worry about things that I don't . I have a black coworker who when asked if she would be interested in moving to estacada because houses and land are cheap there, immediately said no way because she would feel uncomfortable living in a predominantly white area that is known to have multiple firearms. It's sick that this is the world we still live in. I do have empathy for these problems.

On the flip side, I've been told countless times from people that my life is so easy and that everything gets laid out for me. This is the furthest from the truth. I've had to work my ass off for everything I've had, and it hasnt been easy whatsoever. I've made multiple sacrifices to get to where I am, so when I hear from someone that my skin color is the reason I got these things, instead of the dedication and work, as well as sacrifices and struggles I've gone through, it really grinds my gears.

People tend to only see the world from their perspective. My girl reminds me of this all the time when we are discussing travel plans for her. Im like that neighbor hood is safe Ive never had a problem, and she say not for a girl by herself. Oh yea, didn't think of that. On a more personal note I suffer from a visual disability and even people in my life that know about it are always suggesting things that I cant do, have trouble doing, or which make me feel very uncomfortable doing. So don't feel bad for being naive to others needs, just feel bad if your an asshole about others needs.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

That may get on your nerves I'm sure. But realistically did it affect you adversely or did it just get on your nerves?

I get what you're saying and don't disagree with you. I'm sure I'll never understand what it's like. And the slurs I've gotten for having an Irish name probably don't affect my upward mobility either. It just hurts when you struggle in life and work your ass off to succeed and then someone tells you it's all been handed to you.

 

[dviss1]

Odd how lefties wanted Thomas to recuse himself, assuring ObamaCare would pass supreme court muster, but didn't want Kagan or Ginsberg to over gay marriage. Both had officiated gay marriages - obviously couldn't be impartial.

I'm glad none of them did. They shouldn't be intimidated by partisans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/opinion/the-supreme-courts-recusal-problem.html?_r=0

Liberals in Congress have called for Justice Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from the review of the health care reform law because his wife, Virginia, has campaigned fervently against it. Conservatives insist that Justice Elena Kagan should remove herself from the case because, they claim, as solicitor general she was more involved in shaping the law than she lets on.

Interest groups keep stirring the fight, though, so far, no party in the case has asked either justice to step aside and experts in legal ethics generally concur that a strong case for recusal hasn’t yet been made.

There is no such thing as gay marriage. It's called marriage. The 14th amendment gives them the right of equal protection. Plus any law made out of respect of religion is unconstitutional. They didn't need to recuse themselves. Clarence Thomas actually was paid by lobbying. His wife is a fucking lobbyist. That's a completely different story.

 

[magnifier661]

Is there such thing as gay marriage. It's called marriage. The 14th amendment give them the right of equal protection. Plus any law made out of respect of religion is unconstitutional. They didn't need to recuse themselves. Clarence Thomas actually was paid by lobbying. His wife is a fucking lobbyist. That's a completely different story.

I was wondering, not calling you out or anything, but the constitution define or even acknowledge marriage?

 

[dviss1]

I was wondering, not calling you out or anything, but the constitution define or even acknowledge marriage?

We're getting off topic here but that's not the point. The point is that all citizens have equal protection under the law. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[dviss1]

Please take three and a half minutes of time out of your day and gain perspective. This is what we want white people to do:



If you Really want to gain perspective, I encourage you to take some time to watch this. Joy DeGruy Leary is amazing:

 

[magnifier661]

We're getting off topic here but that's not the point. The point is that all citizens have equal protection under the law. Nothing more nothing less.

I get that, but that protection is what is laid out in the constitution. They cannot be protected if that protection isn't clearly described in the constitution. The federal government's job is to make laws, which are defined in the constitution.

And this doesn't mean I don't support "gay marriage" I actually do. But the federal government doesn't even have man and woman marriage defined in the constitution. From what I remembered, they allowed each state to determine the laws of their state. This is why I'm a little confused with the Supreme Court Ruling.

 

[riverman]

I think we could probably take the word racist and replace it with ignorant in most cases. My son is mixed race..in asia he experienced it in public school overseas and then again in public school here in the states. He out grew it but was a victim of racial bullying and was not black...I'll never compare being a white male to being a black male and what that experience is like..guys like dviss and black friends of mine educate me so I can try to understand but I know racism exists outside the black white examples. I think this is where folks get confused. Most of my friends overseas were Taiwanese and if I were out with them and a caucasian person entered the place, they expected me to go meet that person and talk with him because we're both white..

 

[Denny Crane]

There is no such thing as gay marriage. It's called marriage. The 14th amendment gives them the right of equal protection. Plus any law made out of respect of religion is unconstitutional. They didn't need to recuse themselves. Clarence Thomas actually was paid by lobbying. His wife is a fucking lobbyist. That's a completely different story.

He is not his wife, not directly involved in anything related. The other justices in the gay marriage case were directly involved.

I'm pro gay marriage, so don't get me wrong. If YOU are going to set some standard for Thomas, it should apply to the others.

But since it doesn't, it's hypocrisy.

 

[Denny Crane]

I get that, but that protection is what is laid out in the constitution. They cannot be protected if that protection isn't clearly described in the constitution. The federal government's job is to make laws, which are defined in the constitution.

And this doesn't mean I don't support "gay marriage" I actually do. But the federal government doesn't even have man and woman marriage defined in the constitution. From what I remembered, they allowed each state to determine the laws of their state. This is why I'm a little confused with the Supreme Court Ruling.

It is spelled out.

The 14th requires the states to treat their persons equally under the law. The US constitution doesn't have to say anything about marriage. The states define marriage ("by the power vested in me by the state of ____, I pronounce you married."

 

[magnifier661]

It is spelled out.

The 14th requires the states to treat their persons equally under the law. The US constitution doesn't have to say anything about marriage. The states define marriage ("by the power vested in me by the state of ____, I pronounce you married."

That makes sense. I just want to understand how I can apply this to those that argue otherwise.

Again, I support gay marriage.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Please take three and a half minutes of time out of your day and gain perspective. This is what we want white people to do:



If you Really want to gain perspective, I encourage you to take some time to watch this. Joy DeGruy Leary is amazing:

I only had time to watch the first video right now, but that's a great example of things most people don't think about. I have no context or whatever about the cashier, but I'd like to think this is dying more and more with each generation in America. I was a cashier for multiple years in college and never treated anybody like that. it's wrong that people are legitimately acting that way. Thanks for sharing

 

[oldfisherman]

Please take three and a half minutes of time out of your day and gain perspective. This is what we want white people to do:

Grocery store shopping, hate it. This is why.

The store isles are designed so two carts can pass each other with plenty of room. Most people are courteous and respect the space of others when they stop to look at a product. However, there is one large group that likes to take their half of the isle out of the middle when they stop moving. They intentionally block the movement of others, in both directions. A passive aggressive person who feels entitled to disrupt the movement of others.

Black people are never passive aggressive in the grocery stores. Just the opposite, they tend to go out of their way to be polite with everyone and respect the space of others. The same can be said for Mexican shoppers.

Every encounter I have had with a passive aggressive shopper, which have been way too many, has been a white female.

 

[magnifier661]

Please take three and a half minutes of time out of your day and gain perspective. This is what we want white people to do:



If you Really want to gain perspective, I encourage you to take some time to watch this. Joy DeGruy Leary is amazing:

Okay, I watched the first video and definitely agree. I've seen this first hand and have made the case whenever I've seen this injustice.

 

[dviss1]

He is not his wife, not directly involved in anything related. The other justices in the gay marriage case were directly involved.

I'm pro gay marriage, so don't get me wrong. If YOU are going to set some standard for Thomas, it should apply to the others.

But since it doesn't, it's hypocrisy.

They do the taxes together don't they? Now, I'm really done debating about this piece of shit so just stop okay? fuck Clarence Thomas

 

[MarAzul]

It is spelled out.

The 14th requires the states to treat their persons equally under the law. The US constitution doesn't have to say anything about marriage. The states define marriage ("by the power vested in me by the state of ____, I pronounce you married."

You are correct Denny. However, the definition of Marriage had to change before the 14th became applicable. The definition of the word was alway from religion ( in all major religions marriage is between a man and a woman) and here in Oregon, Marriage was defined as union of a man and a woman in our Constitution. So the Oregon attorney General that would not defend this, was not failing to defend a law that prohibited Gays from Marriage (the were free to marry), she would not defend the definition of marriage as the people had defined. The Gay Judge that ruled it unconstitutional over stepped his authority by a mile since the US Constitution does not deal with the definition of Marriage. The 14th was not violated for about 150 years until the Gays managed to change the definition of the word, just like they did the word Gay.

 

[MarAzul]

white female

Me too! However, I will have to add Vietnamese fisherman at the fuel dock in the years right after they began to immigrate to this country.

 

[magnifier661]

So @Denny Crane does the 14th Amendment protect violent criminals from the death penalty?

 

[e_blazer]

I watched the video and it makes a solid point. I would have liked to have heard what the manager's take and actions were. Was there actually a policy requiring ID for everybody writing checks? If so, then the cashier should have been reprimanded or fired for ignoring the policy with the "white" lady. If not, then the cashier should have been immediately fired for being racist towards the second lady. If the manager didn't take any action against the clerk either way, then I'd want to talk to the owner of the place about policies that are being enforced differently based, apparently, on skin color. There might need to be a complaint filed with the state for discriminatory practices.

All of that said, racism and xenophobia are pretty deeply ingrained in the human psyche and they aren't likely to go away completely no matter what laws are passed. I suspect that it's rooted in our DNA as a part of a survival mechanism to seek protection in the known group vs. the outsider or people who simply aren't like us. That doesn't mean that we don't fight against those tendencies to try to make things better for everyone, but it probably, unfortunately, means that change isn't going to come easily or ever be complete.

 

[dviss1]

And for those of you who don't know the lady in the video, she is Joy Degruy. She is a very prominent leader in our community. She lives right here in Portland and that happened at a local Safeway. Her former husband helped found SEI. The hour and 20 minute video is a must watch for those of you who would like to try to gain a different perspective on this subject. MarAzul will not be watching the video I can guarantee it.

 

[Denny Crane]

So @Denny Crane does the 14th Amendment protect violent criminals from the death penalty?

No.

The constitution states that no person shall be deprived of LIFE, liberty, or property without due process.

As long as there is due process, the state can take a person's life.

 

[Denny Crane]

They do the taxes together don't they? Now, I'm really done debating about this piece of shit so just stop okay? fuck Clarence Thomas

Do they?

You leap to conclusions much? That's rhetorical, you do