Blake's 71.4 win percentage leads team.

[PapaG]

That's not what I asked you. Would you want someone like that in the game with the game on the line? That was the ultimate example of choking when your team needs you. There were 15 seconds left, we had Rudy, Outlaw, and Batum in there (all who can shoot) and Blake jacked up some terrible off-balance three.

What say you?

<Blake took a bad shot in a game he otherwise balled his ass off in. Use this as evidence of Steve Blake's entire value. That'll show 'em.>

 

[PapaG]

I like how all the posts in this thread are moving towards just easily shooting down Kingspeeds' attempts at defending Blake.

I must be reading a different thread, because from your posts, you actually provided proof for why Blake should play MORE (he apparently improves the play of LMA/Roy), and after being busted on this, you said the stats don't matter.

 

[hasoos]

I must be reading a different thread, because from your posts, you actually provided proof for why Blake should play MORE (he apparently improves the play of LMA/Roy), and after being busted on this, you said the stats don't matter.

What's new? You try to skew the stats to show they play better when in fact the reason the unit is playing better is because Aldridge and Roy are in it. Not Blake. I could throw in a white guy in overalls in that slot and that unit would come out on top in the stats.

 

[PapaG]

Oden's fouls in the playoffs

Game 1- http://www.nba.com/games/20090418/HOUPOR/playbyplay.html- Oden had 3 fouls- loose ball, Yao, Scola

Game 2- http://www.nba.com/games/20090421/HOUPOR/playbyplay.html- Oden had 6 fouls- Yao, Lowry, loose ball, ?, Brooks,

Game 3- http://www.nba.com/games/20090424/PORHOU/playbyplay.html- Oden had 5 fouls- ?, Yao, ?, ?, Lowry

Game 4- http://www.nba.com/games/20090426/PORHOU/playbyplay.html- Oden had 5 fouls- Artest, Yao, ?, ?, Yao

Game 5- http://www.nba.com/games/20090428/HOUPOR/playbyplay.html- Oden had 4 fouls- Landry, Landry, Offensive, ?

Game 6- http://www.nba.com/games/20090430/PORHOU/playbyplay.html- Oden had 4 fouls- Artest, Yao, Brooks, Offensive

The ?s are fouls in which no one shot free throws and they weren't loose ball fouls or offensive fouls. Most likely, these were fouls against his own man prior to his man shooting. If they were fouls against guards penetrating, they would have put up the shot and gone to the line. But let's add up the fouls we know about:

Yao: 6
Scola: 1
Landry: 2
Artest: 2
Lowry: 2
Brooks: 1
Offensive fouls: 2

So, out of the 16 fouls we know about, only THREE were against point guards and I can't be certain that Blake was guarding them when those fouls were committed. I could figure it out, but I'm lazy. Also- almost all of those ? fouls were against Oden's own man.

There you go. All that bullshit about half of the fouls being against guards has been proven wrong. Eat it.

Repped ... but what do those stats show us?

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

it's primarily because he is so mediocre that he leads the team

Waitaminute. Let me make sure I have this right.

Blake is highly mediocre and hence, Blake = Mediocre Man
Blake Leads the team which means....

Mediocre Man leads the team.

And all this time I thought it was Roy's team.

Am I missing anything????

Gramps...

 

[PapaG]

What's new? You try to skew the stats to show they play better when in fact the reason the unit is playing better is because Aldridge and Roy are in it. Not Blake. I could throw in a white guy in overalls in that slot and that unit would come out on top in the stats.

C-Note literally tried to /end thread. When it was pointed out that the stats he posted actually contradicted his claim, he ignored them and said they don't mean anything.

Classic thread.

 

[PapaG]

You can speak up for Blake all you want. It's your basketball IQ on the line not mine. Have at it.

"James Harden is playing better than Brandon Roy."

Your own BB IQ self-imploded at that moment.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

PapaG had to come in and regulate!!!

 

[C_note]

C-Note literally tried to /end thread. When it was pointed out that the stats he posted actually contradicted his claim, he ignored them and said they don't mean anything.

Classic thread.

Reading comprehension 101. My stance this whole thread was its impossible to prove one way or the other.

And i pointed out there are a multitude of ways of looking at this topic. ONE OF WHICH supports your claim.

 

[PapaG]

Reading comprehension 101. My stance this whole thread was its impossible to prove one way or the other.
And i pointed out there are a multitude of ways of looking at this topic. ONE OF WHICH supports your claim.

Well, now it's your stance. Earlier, it was that Blake had a high win% because he played with Roy/LMA 71% of the time.

I don't have a claim other than that Blake has the highest win% on the team. That's a fact, not a claim. Dissecting why, such as you unsuccessfully tried to do, is a "claim".

 

[Natebishop3]

<Blake took a bad shot in a game he otherwise balled his ass off in. Use this as evidence of Steve Blake's entire value. That'll show 'em.>

Everyone else gets the joke. Not my fault you don't.

<---- (signature papag shrug emote)

 

[PapaG]

Everyone else gets the joke. Not my fault you don't.

<---- (signature papag shrug emote)

What's the joke? Your intent seemed clear to me.

 

[Natebishop3]

What's the joke? Your intent seemed clear to me.

How long have you been posting on this board? You don't know Eric's style?

 

[LittleAlex]

Do you think we can win a championship with Blake at the point, with the way he is playing this year?

The arguement really isn't about Blake being a championship quality point guard.

He probably isn't.

Rather is Blake the lesser of three evils in the starting unit?

As of right now it appears the answer is yes but only because the other back court starter's defense is pretty bad. If Roy picked it up on the defensive end then Blake's contributions wouldn't be as pronounced which in turn would open up the spot for Bayless.

There are many, many point guards in the league who would be a better option for Portland then Blake is. Unfortunately they all play for different teams.

The odd man out in all of this is Miller. He is playing bad defense along with bad offense. Pretty much a waste of 21 million dollars. Give Bayless Miller's minutes, start Blake and have done with it. Everyone wins while Bayless picks up the finer points of team defense (we hope).

 

[LittleAlex]

This thread blew up in a hurry!

I'll admit that Blake's career positive +/- or win% gives me some pause. His traditional numbers aren't good and observationally, he seems quite limited. But it does seem true that units he plays with consistently do pretty well, so there might be something more than meets the eye with Blake.

Still, I'm more apt to trust the tangible measures first and foremost (scoring, rebounding, creating assists) and use the intangible measures (which is really what +/- types of statistics are about) more around the edges. I think Miller is clearly a better player than Blake,and Bayless is likely to be better. Does Blake have an "intangibles" edge over them? Perhaps, but I'd rather first see the players with superior production play significant minutes together before deciding that intangible benefits overwhelm productivity benefits.

I will say that my impression of Blake's defense has changed recently, both with the Synergy Sports findings and his +/- results. Blake is probably not as bad at defense as I thought and many here think.

Unless I am mistaken Synergy Sports generates their finds via analysis of individual play through all games. I believe Tince did that for them for awhile. That's why I would give their observational analysis far more credit then I would +/- and the like.

I would hope that in order to get such a job you would have to know far more about basketball in general then most folks on this board. As such I would have to bow to their expertise rather then remain convinced of my ignorance.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I must've missed the Synergy thing...was there a blog post on it or something? Thanks in advance.

 

[WillG]

Alls I know is that I was pissed when we resigned Blake after his stint at Denver. I was glad the Blazers had moved on.
Resigning Blake always struck me as a personal favor to Steve by the Blazers front office, and not the best move the FO could have done at the position.