Blazers after Asik again?

[craigehlo]

and I am loath to let Freeland go..he has that Brian Grant factor, tons of heart

Comparison of Freeland to Brian Grant? Um...

 

[Blazinaway]

Our bench isn't that weak. We had Earl Watson come in last night, without having played a single minute this season, and make a huge impact in the win over the Warriors. How is that a weak bench?

and if we did trade for Asik two guys we would most likely lose are McCollum and Leonard, they have basically not played this year, how would that hurt our bench?

 

[Natebishop3]

and if we did trade for Asik two guys we would most likely lose are McCollum and Leonard, they have basically not played this year, how would that hurt our bench?

It wouldn't. With that said, I love what Lopez is doing. I'm still not convinced that Asik is really an upgrade.

 

[Blazinaway]

It wouldn't. With that said, I love what Lopez is doing. I'm still not convinced that Asik is really an upgrade.

I know you know it would not, was basically agreeing with U. I love what Lopez is doing as well, Hawes might actually be a better fit giving us offense WITH Lopez and he'd likely be cheaper as he expires this year.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I have stated in this thread I would love to have Asik for depth purposes. He and Robin around 24 minutes a game. But Joel keeps doing the little things I don't think Asik can do. I realize they are two entirely types of players, but which one is more beneficial? Those two clutch baskets last night by Joel were huge. No way Asik makes them. Joel also can cover big players away from the basket, Asik can't. He spreads the floor more for LMA, Asik can't.

So maybe it is not such a good idea. Joel is a good player to have for 15 minutes a game. Asik may not be happy with that role.

 

[tlongII]

Freeland was one of the best big men in Europe. It was a matter of time before he figured out the NBA.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

He was the #1 rebounder last season. Not much more than that. His negatives and sloppy play cancel most of his value if winning games is your goal.

YAHOO Fantasy league rated Lopez 62nd last year, and Asik 142nd.

Lopez was 13th in blocks last season. Asik was 29th. Don't even get me started on fouls and turnovers.

Asik shot 299 FT's and made 168.

Lopez shot 207 FT's and made 161.

FATALITY

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'm kind of intrigued by Hawes, too - something I NEVER thought would happen (with his soft game and Republicanism). He's really stepped up this year and I think he'd add an interesting wrinkle. Imagine having FIVE guys who can shoot threes on the floor at once!

I wonder if Philly wants to move him (because he's hurting their tanking) or they see him as part of their base. [Checks.] Ah - his contract runs out at the end of the year, so I assume they'll let him leave.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Dave (B-Edge) said Asik only makes sense if we keep Lopez.

But our already weak bench will become even weaker.

Dave doesn't understand intangibles or chemistry or character and their affect on a team. At least his writing is fairly clear on this point, that they play an insignificant role, if any role at all, in a team's success. Perhaps he would argue otherwise, but that's not what his writing suggests.

He can't see the forest through the trees, he can't smell his own $@^# on his knees.

In other words, he can't see how good the Blazers are when he's standing smack dab in the middle of them, and he can't see how poor his analysis is when he spends all his time "praying" to advanced stats and the history. He would call himself a pragmatist, someone who looks at data and what he sees and describes it in his own loquacious manner. Yet, his writing time and again shows a lack of understanding for the influencing elements that exist everywhere but on a stat sheet.

LA hit on it, “This is the most cohesive, selfless team I've been on. Guys playing for each other, guys laying it on the line. Everybody having everybody's back. Every quarter a different guy showing up and making big shots and making big plays. This team has been great all season.”

Heart, pride, putting team needs above personal accolades or successes. I think the soldier/war analogies in sports are often over-used if not misused, and often by people who have no personal frame of reference. But, some of the elements of the Band of Brothers character that leads to combat units performing amazing feats under fire have no doubt been on display throughout this season courtesy of the Blazers. You could even hear it on media day. It just had a different tone. The demeanor was different. And unfortunately for some, and perhaps many, media and fans, they had no frame of reference to recognize it. There's no stat, advanced or otherwise, to describe it. And that's how a team like Portland was so easily written of as a fringe to non-play-off team at best.

It's not that they were wrong, it's simply that they didn't realize what they were looking at.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Dave doesn't understand intangibles or chemistry or character and their affect on a team. At least his writing is fairly clear on this point, that they play an insignificant role, if any role at all, in a team's success. Perhaps he would argue otherwise, but that's not what his writing suggests.

He can't see the forest through the trees, he can't smell his own $@^# on his knees.

In other words, he can't see how good the Blazers are when he's standing smack dab in the middle of them, and he can't see how poor his analysis is when he spends all his time "praying" to advanced stats and the history. He would call himself a pragmatist, someone who looks at data and what he sees and describes it in his own loquacious manner. Yet, his writing time and again shows a lack of understanding for the influencing elements that exist everywhere but on a stat sheet.

LA hit on it, “This is the most cohesive, selfless team I've been on. Guys playing for each other, guys laying it on the line. Everybody having everybody's back. Every quarter a different guy showing up and making big shots and making big plays. This team has been great all season.”

Heart, pride, putting team needs above personal accolades or successes. I think the soldier/war analogies in sports are often over-used if not misused, and often by people who have no personal frame of reference. But, some of the elements of the Band of Brothers character that leads to combat units performing amazing feats under fire have no doubt been on display throughout this season courtesy of the Blazers. You could even hear it on media day. It just had a different tone. The demeanor was different. And unfortunately for some, and perhaps many, media and fans, they had no frame of reference to recognize it. There's no stat, advanced or otherwise, to describe it. And that's how a team like Portland was so easily written of as a fringe to non-play-off team at best.

It's not that they were wrong, it's simply that they didn't realize what they were looking at.

Post of the week

somebody rep this for me please

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Only way we do it is having Lopez as well. So who do they want? Freeland?

I would give Freeland, crabbe, and claver. Otherwise it makes no sense

I'd be open to moving Leonard although it's a risk. But you are right I'd be opposed to breaking up the existing nucleus and chemistry to bring in Asik. That includes McCollum.

 

[MAS RipCity]

We are not trading Robin Lopez. As someone mentioned earlier, LA loves him and he's been a Godsend to this team.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

We are not trading Robin Lopez. As someone mentioned earlier, LA loves him and he's been a Godsend to this team.

Not a chance in hell.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

All in favor of asik for Lopez go ahead and re watch the 4th quarter last night. Especially when Lopez blocked 3 shots in one possession before refs bailed out warriors with a foul call.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'd be open to a CJ and Leonard trade for Asik. Ideally we could keep CJ but I'd be open to it. He hasn't played thus far so he hasn't really been a part of the formula, plus with Mo, it's not likely he'll find much time on the floor.

 

[Draco]

The way we are playing Houston might not entertain any trade with us. We could be a possible playoff opponent.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I'd be open to a CJ and Leonard trade for Asik. Ideally we could keep CJ but I'd be open to it. He hasn't played thus far so he hasn't really been a part of the formula, plus with Mo, it's not likely he'll find much time on the floor.

I wouldn't - you don't know what you have in CJ yet.

He was the most efficient scorer in college basketball before his injury. The only college player you could compare him to (advanced stats) is Lillard.

Lopez looks like he's taking his game to the next level.

 

[Draco]

I'd be open to a CJ and Leonard trade for Asik. Ideally we could keep CJ but I'd be open to it. He hasn't played thus far so he hasn't really been a part of the formula, plus with Mo, it's not likely he'll find much time on the floor.

Not sure if we'll be able to keep Mo after this season. CJ could be a replacement on a super cheap rookie contract.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

By the end of the season nets will be offering brook for robin.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

I wouldn't - you don't know what you have in CJ yet.

He was the most efficient scorer in college basketball before his injury. The only college player you could compare him to (advanced stats) is Lillard.

Lopez looks like he's taking his game to the next level.

Exactly. No interest in moving CJ.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Not sure if we'll be able to keep Mo after this season. CJ could be a replacement on a super cheap rookie contract.

He has a player option for the 2nd year? That's a good point then. I'd like to find a way to beef up the 5 spot a bit though. If the Blazers continue rolling, I can see Neil sacrificing CJ to make the team even better in the short term.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Before Paul hired Olshey to be GM he said he was looking for someone who had the Golden Gut. So that's Olshey, he's the guy with the Golden Gut. Do what does that mean to you? To me it means a risk taker, Someone that isn't afraid and goes against the grain. A little like Bob Wittsitt.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Not sure if we'll be able to keep Mo after this season. CJ could be a replacement on a super cheap rookie contract.

Yeah right now he is making about the same as cJ. He is about to turn 31 and will want/deserve a bump in pay. But I see no reason why he wouldn't sign a new two year contract. (3-4 Mil per year)

 

[Draco]

Yeah right now he is making about the same as cJ. He is about to turn 31 and will want/deserve a bump in pay. But I see no reason why he wouldn't sign a new two year contract. (3-4 Mil per year)

Another team might offer him a starting job. Obviously depends how this season plays out. If he disappoints we might not even want him back. If Mo plays real good as a reserve, which I expect, he might want the full $5+ million MLE. If CJ has good stretches this year we might not want to commit that much salary to a backup. Especially with Lopez, Aldridge, Wes becoming free agents the following summer.

 

[PapaG]

Dave doesn't understand intangibles or chemistry or character and their affect on a team. At least his writing is fairly clear on this point, that they play an insignificant role, if any role at all, in a team's success. Perhaps he would argue otherwise, but that's not what his writing suggests.

He can't see the forest through the trees, he can't smell his own $@^# on his knees.

In other words, he can't see how good the Blazers are when he's standing smack dab in the middle of them, and he can't see how poor his analysis is when he spends all his time "praying" to advanced stats and the history. He would call himself a pragmatist, someone who looks at data and what he sees and describes it in his own loquacious manner. Yet, his writing time and again shows a lack of understanding for the influencing elements that exist everywhere but on a stat sheet.

LA hit on it, “This is the most cohesive, selfless team I've been on. Guys playing for each other, guys laying it on the line. Everybody having everybody's back. Every quarter a different guy showing up and making big shots and making big plays. This team has been great all season.”

Heart, pride, putting team needs above personal accolades or successes. I think the soldier/war analogies in sports are often over-used if not misused, and often by people who have no personal frame of reference. But, some of the elements of the Band of Brothers character that leads to combat units performing amazing feats under fire have no doubt been on display throughout this season courtesy of the Blazers. You could even hear it on media day. It just had a different tone. The demeanor was different. And unfortunately for some, and perhaps many, media and fans, they had no frame of reference to recognize it. There's no stat, advanced or otherwise, to describe it. And that's how a team like Portland was so easily written of as a fringe to non-play-off team at best.

It's not that they were wrong, it's simply that they didn't realize what they were looking at.

Now this is a writer. Well done. I gave a rep, and I read it twice because it was inspiring.

 

[PapaG]

I'd be open to a CJ and Leonard trade for Asik. Ideally we could keep CJ but I'd be open to it. He hasn't played thus far so he hasn't really been a part of the formula, plus with Mo, it's not likely he'll find much time on the floor.

So, you want to eat up $8.3m in cap space for Asik next year to be what, the back-up center?

 

[Natebishop3]

So, you want to eat up $8.3m in cap space for Asik next year to be what, the back-up center?

Asik is one of those guys who has been built up by our fanbase. If we ever did acquire him, I suspect people would be extremely underwhelmed.

 

[PapaG]

Asik is one of those guys who has been built up by our fanbase. If we ever did acquire him, I suspect people would be extremely underwhelmed.

I just don't think much of his game, given his contract. It's one of the cost analysis things where I think he's overpaid, and that Lopez brings more in that cost analysis.

 

[jlprk]

Asik is leaving the Rockets to escape sharing a spot with Howard. Yet some in this thread envision us having both him and Lopez.

He wouldn't come here then. You'd have to trade Lopez for Asik, and not keep Lopez.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

He was the #1 rebounder last season. Not much more than that. His negatives and sloppy play cancel most of his value if winning games is your goal.

YAHOO Fantasy league rated Lopez 62nd last year, and Asik 142nd.

Lopez was 13th in blocks last season. Asik was 29th. Don't even get me started on fouls and turnovers.

Asik shot 299 FT's and made 168.

Lopez shot 207 FT's and made 161.

how is this thread still going?