Blazers are in 4th seed

[Reep]

It's really confusing.

Let's say #8 seed actually won its season series vs the #1 seed. Would the #8 team have HCA in that series?

Why does this reversion to h2h only apply to HCA in tiebreaker situations? Makes very little sense.

No, H2H only comes into play if teams have the same record. #1 would have home court even if they were 0-4 against #8.

 

[hoopsjock]

No, H2H only comes into play if teams have the same record. #1 would have home court even if they were 0-4 against #8.

But the Head to Head wouldn't matter with teams tied in further series. Lets say 3 teams tied with the same record. If those teams faced each other in round 2 or 3 the head to head doesn't matter, only the seed.

 

[hoopsjock]

Sounds like we'll have home court in the first round. I guess I'd rather face the Pels, but having home court is a bigger factor to me than which of those teams we get. I'm more concerned about not having home court in the second round, if we make it that far, which is why I really want the Blazers to win tonight. Win tonight, get playoff momentum, defend home court.

Not a single outcome tonight affects whether or not we would have HCA in round 2. If we are the 3 seed we'd need the 7th seed to beat the 2nd seed to have HCA in round 2. If we are the 4th or 5th seed we'd need the 8th seed to upset the 1st seed to have HCA in round 2.

 

[Chris Craig]

It's really confusing.

Let's say #8 seed actually won its season series vs the #1 seed. Would the #8 team have HCA in that series?

Why does this reversion to h2h only apply to HCA in tiebreaker situations? Makes very little sense.

To screw the Blazers...this rule has been made entirely to screw the blazers

 

[hoopsjock]

The reason no one can find clarification is because the NBA made it so no clarification was needed.

Seeding is determined by tiebreakers.

HCA is determined by seeding.

It really is that simple since the new seeding rules came into play.

 

[e_blazer]

Not a single outcome tonight affects whether or not we would have HCA in round 2. If we are the 3 seed we'd need the 7th seed to beat the 2nd seed to have HCA in round 2. If we are the 4th or 5th seed we'd need the 8th seed to upset the 1st seed to have HCA in round 2.

I believe that the thinking goes that if the Blazers get the 3rd seed, with the Warriors banged up there's at least a fair chance that a team like the Thunder could take a series from them and end up facing the Blazers in the 2nd round. As crappy as the Blazers have been playing of late, I can't get worked up enough to even fantasize about that prospect.

 

[hoopsjock]

I believe that the thinking goes that if the Blazers get the 3rd seed, with the Warriors banged up there's at least a fair chance that a team like the Thunder could take a series from them and end up facing the Blazers in the 2nd round. As crappy as the Blazers have been playing of late, I can't get worked up enough to even fantasize about that prospect.

I understand what the thinking is but there is no answer to his question after tonight.

 

[Chris Craig]

The reason no one can find clarification is because the NBA made it so no clarification was needed.

Seeding is determined by tiebreakers.

HCA is determined by seeding.

It really is that simple since the new seeding rules came into play.

Thats ridiculous. If you have the higher seed you should have HCA...

 

[hoopsjock]

Thats ridiculous. If you have the higher seed you should have HCA...

That's what I'm saying, it is that way now. I don't know why everyone keeps referencing 3 years ago when the rules were different.

 

[Chris Craig]

That's what I'm saying, it is that way now. I don't know why everyone keeps referencing 3 years ago when the rules were different.

Because no one can find where the rules state differently...where they have been updated.

 

[hoopsjock]

Because no one can find where the rules state differently...where they have been updated.

But no one can find where a three team tie results in another tiebreaker to determine HCA either.

 

[Chris Craig]

But no one can find where a three team tie results in another tiebreaker to determine HCA either.

I did but its old...I don't trust it. At the same time I have nothing that states otherwise.

 

[kjironman1]

Bet we will all know in the morning.
Blazers just need to go out and take care of business.

 

[Chris Craig]

But no one can find where a three team tie results in another tiebreaker to determine HCA either.

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

 

[hoopsjock]

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

Yes, the same page has been posted several times from 2010 before the rules were changed.

The EXACT quote for HCA is:
"For purposes of home court advantage, ties will be broken pursuant to the procedures used for breaking two-team ties for playoff position."

That doesn't say anything about multiple teams tied or that the rule is applied after the other tiebreaker.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yes, the same page has been posted several times from 2010 before the rules were changed.

The EXACT quote for HCA is:
"For purposes of home court advantage, ties will be broken pursuant to the procedures used for breaking two-team ties for playoff position."

That doesn't say anything about multiple teams tied or that the rule is applied after the other tiebreaker.

It makes it sound like the seed tie breaker happens first, then if two teams meet in the first round tied, it goes back to the H2H 2 team tiebreaker. Thats how I read it anyway.

 

[hoopsjock]

It makes it sound like the seed tie breaker happens first, then if two teams meet in the first round tied, it goes back to the H2H 2 team tiebreaker. Thats how I read it anyway.

I understand how it could be interpreted that way but once again these are old rules. The new rules make it so no scenarios have this issue.

 

[trailblazer18]

Spurs Talk forum seems to think they will have home court as the 5th seed vs 4th seed Blazers if we end up tied. Not that they make the rules, but that is their understanding over there.

 

[tester551]

That's what I'm saying, it is that way now. I don't know why everyone keeps referencing 3 years ago when the rules were different.

It's based on this tweet. He said he talked to the "league" about it.

 

[hoopsjock]

It's based on this tweet. He said he talked to the "league" about it.

Yet once again that tweet references a 2 team tie not a 3 team tie.

 

[tester551]

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

As stated, that's from 2010.
The current ones are here:
https://stats.nba.com/playoffpicture/

Ties for playoff positions (including division winners) will be broken utilizing the criteria set forth in subparagraph a. below (in the case of ties involving two teams) and subparagraph b. below (in the case of ties involving more than two teams), and the guidelines set forth in subparagraph c. below.

There is nothing that talks about HCA.

 

[KingSpeed]

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

That is from 2010 when division winners got a top 4 seed.

 

[tester551]

Yet once again that tweet references a 2 team tie not a 3 team tie.

Completely understand that.

The crux of the question is, what determines HCA? If seeding does not = HCA, then it does go to a 2 team tie to determine HCA.

 

[KingSpeed]

This is a mess.

 

[HailBlazers]

Just WIN.

 

[KingSpeed]

It’s you that’s not understanding. There’s nothing about home court tiebreakers on that chart.

But it’s ok, I found the answer.

View attachment 20062

So looks like we wont have home court if we lose to the jazz and the spurs and thunder win.

That was back when division winners got a top seed. That is not the case here.

 

[KingSpeed]

Just WIN.

I agree with that.

 

[BonesJones]

Just WIN.

Exactly.

Or Spurs need to lose.

 

[Chris Craig]

So do get HCA with the 4 seed or not?

 

[Titan]

Just WIN.

This, please just do this.