Blazers are tanking for 4th year in a row

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Bingo Bango

Bingo Bango

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Look at all the guys on our “injured” list as the season winds down. It’s pathetic, and it’s obvious what they’re doing. I can’t believe they do this year after year and never get fined or even warned by the NBA. Apparently Adam Silver has no problem with teams throwing games.
 
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Let’s even allow them to tank for four games to end the year, let alone a “fourth season” post.
 
Tanking poorly.

This was always going to happen this season. The only problem is they fooled themselves into thinking it wasn't going to happen. So it's exponentially worse.

The only thing that can save this is an incredibly lopsided trade or just getting some of that white trash trailer park lotto luck. Either at the draft lottery or just lucking into the best player in the draft at #9 (probably our most likely draft position).
 
So is there a player worth tanking for in next year draft?
 
1. The Trail Blazers traded the 14th pick last summer (in a weaker draft) and their 2nd best of 3 in 2029 and Brogdon (who was MBEC and needed a new team) for Deni — not a tanking move.
2. The Trail Blazers did not tank earlier this season. No one wins that many in a row when tanking … and still too many wins lately.
3. The Trail Blazers did not make trades to clear their veterans at a loss to get expiring contracts and some trade capital in February for a post-all star tankorama.

Are they tanking the last handful of games to stay at 9 or maybe getting to 8 going into the lottery? Yes. Then take a future 2nd round pick away and have one less draftee selected into the NBA. Or drop that pick down to wherever it would be with the other, egregious tankers getting the same. Or take away receiving revenue from not being a taxpayer OR make them pay more if they are a taxpayer.

I’m not sweating adding or maintaining a few percentage points here at the end.

I have enjoyed seeing the growth of Scoot, Shaedon, Toumani, Deni, and Donovan. There is reason for hope.
 
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We have to get and mix the ingredients before we bake the cake.

Right now we're a couple of eggs short of a cake mix.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is almost certainly what we'll do. Unless we get super lucky.
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If they can somehow luck into any of the top 4 picks it could help them drastically. Just not sure about anything out of the top 4 and definitely don’t expect anything for outside the top 10.
 
kjironman1 said:
If they can somehow luck into any of the top 4 picks it could help them drastically. Just not sure about anything out of the top 4 and definitely don’t expect anything for outside the top 10.
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Agreed. Top 4 could possibly set us up to compete with the best young teams out there. We could have a realistic expectation of competing with them long term.

Unfortunately right now we simply don't have enough.
 
Imagine the positive spin you have to do here: "we can luck in the 4 top spots still"

Its like gambling but saying "no, I want worse odds, make that happen, and then let's talk". That's what they cheered for all season lol. Glad I didn't.
 
Thread should be an indictment on the incompetence of Joe Cronin.
 
If the Blazers were really tanking, they would have added me to the roster.
 
BigGameDamian said:
So is there a player worth tanking for in next year draft?
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You don't make this decision based on a single player who's available. You make the decision based on what you are currently capable of and the odds of getting a player you can use higher in the draft.

If you need young players drafting them high in the draft is the most likely way to get the best young players.

If you need vets you're better off to trade for them.

This whole season we have known that we need more good young players. So tanking was a foregone conclusion. But we were to foolish to realize that when it could have really helped us.

Now we're just basically down to hoping that God will choose to answer our prayers over the prayers of every other team.
 
dviss1 said:
I'm talking about our need to tank in the first place.
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I don't think you could realistically trade Dame when we did and be in a situation where you didn't have to tank this season.

And Dame hasn't been healthy enough for us to have really had much success if we had kept him regardless of who else we brought in.

Trading Dame seems like it was the best option. And pretty much everything was going well with the rebuild until we decided not to tank this season.

The Deni trade was questionable, IMO. I didn't think that we were close enough to competing that we should have given up such quality draft draft capital so soon.

I think that trade (Because Deni is so good) probably convinced Burt Kolde that we no longer needed to build through the draft.

So we very well may have traded two or three top four or five draft picks for Deni. And I'm just not sure that we had enough depth to make that kind of a move yet.

Once again, don't get me wrong, I love Deni. I just think trading for him probably cost us a lot of depth moving forward. It may well have cost us Flagg.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
The Deni trade was questionable, IMO. I didn't think that we were close enough to competing that we should have given up such quality draft draft capital so soon.

I think that trade (Because Deni is so good) probably convinced Burt Kolde that we no longer needed to build through the draft.

So we very well may have traded two or three top four or five draft picks for Deni. And I'm just not sure that we had enough depth to make that kind of a move yet.

Once again, don't get me wrong, I love Deni. I just think trading for him probably cost us a lot of depth moving forward. It may well have cost us Flagg.
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Yeah, I totally disagree. The goal is to get better players, and Deni has arguably turned out to be better than any player in last year's draft and probably better than the 4 pick in this draft.

I can understand if you don't like that they did not do a full on tank job. But not trading for a young player like Deni, just to tank, would have been idiotic. You don't waste that opportunity IMO. Did Utah trade any of their guys? Nope they are still sitting there waiting to play with whoever they draft.

I am more of a one-in-hand instead of two-in-the-bush guy. Joe has made mistakes, but he and his scouts nailed this one. They knew way more than any of us about Deni. The key factor here is that he is still only 24.
 
A complex chain of events can eventually be used to confirm MANY possible theories. So I’m not saying anyone is wrong just that getting Den Avdija was outstanding. Better than expected. Schmitz like him in his draft, and management laid the foundation months before the trade. A 14th pick is great to have but not compared to Deni. The 2nd best pick in 2029 is potentially a good pick; the Blazers still have the best of 3 (and the 3rd best). Brogdon I don’t count as much as he wasn’t being kept regardless.

Not trading away Ant, Grant and Ayton hurt the tank that should have been. Getting draft capital is key this summer.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, I totally disagree. The goal is to get better players, and Deni has arguably turned out to be better than any player in last year's draft and probably better than the 4 pick in this draft.

I can understand if you don't like that they did not do a full on tank job. But not trading for a young player like Deni, just to tank, would have been idiotic. You don't waste that opportunity IMO. Did Utah trade any of their guys? Nope they are still sitting there waiting to play with whoever they draft.

I am more of a one-in-hand instead of two-in-the-bush guy. Joe has made mistakes, but he and his scouts nailed this one. They knew way more than any of us about Deni. The key factor here is that he is still only 24.
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Except it was more like a 1 in the hand maybe four in the bush situation... It cost us the picks we traded, plus probably a couple more high draft picks.

It probably led to the team going into win now mode and costing us a ton of draft capital.

The trade wasn't a bad trade. It was a great trade. It was just the wrong time to make that kind of a trade. We didn't have enough talent to make that kind of a trade yet, IMO.

It's probably made it much more difficult to get to where I think we all want to get.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
A complex chain of events can eventually be used to confirm MANY possible theories. So I’m not saying anyone is wrong just that getting Den Avdija was outstanding. Better than expected. Schmitz like him in his draft, and management laid the foundation months before the trade. A 14th pick is great to have but not compared to Deni. The 2nd best pick in 2029 is potentially a good pick; the Blazers still have the best of 3. Brogdon I don’t count as much as he wasn’t being kept regardless.

Not trading away Ant, Grant and Ayton hurt the tank that should have been. Getting draft capital is key this summer.
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It's also the lost draft capital we could have gotten this season and next season.

How many wins is Deni worth? 8? 10? 12? What pick would we have with 12 fewer wins this season? How about next season?

The timing is so critical on this one.

Again, I love Deni. I'm happy he's on this team. But we're going to need a lot more talent to compete with the other young teams in the future. I'm just not sure where we're going to get that talent...
 
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Phatguysrule said:
It's also the lost draft capital we could have gotten this season and next season.

How many wins is Deni worth? 8? 10? 12? What would pick would we have with 12 fewer wins this season? How about next season?

The timing is so critical on this one.

Again, I love Deni. I'm happy he's on this team. But we're going to need a lot more talent to compete with the other young teams in the future. I'm just not sure where we're going to get that talent...
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Free agency.
 
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