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A Turner/Swanigan pairing at the 4 and 5? Yikes...
Yeah I guess they'd be mutually exclusive. I don't know why we wouldn't play Moe at the 4 instead of Turner..It would presumably be Turner and Collins
Yeah I guess they'd be mutually exclusive. I don't know why we wouldn't play Moe at the 4 instead of Turner..
So is CJ. You can stagger minutes.Well, Moe is starting.
I like this idea better, especially given his added strength. I think he could regularly attack and beat opposing PFs off the dribble.If Layman is for real he could be another option as a stretch 4.
Whatchu mean?Talk about damning with faint praise
Well, Moe is starting.

This upcoming season feels like its gonna be very mediocre and very weird. I don't like the lineups at all. It all feels so uncertain and just destined to fail. Neil should stop trying to convince us in Olshey and also, I know Dame and others have talked up Meyers again but man I just can't start to believe it after how many chances he has got. ET is meh. Nobody knows what is going on with Moe. Aminu is meh. Nurk is also kind of a toss up because he can be inconsistent. Collins is a toss up. He has his good games but also games where he doesn't exist. I honestly don't know where this team is even going, is there even a plan? I liked the pick up of seth curry and that's about it.
Love that ET is not listed.Lineup offered without comment:
Starters: Dame/CJ/Trent/Collins/Nurk
Bench: Baldwin/Curry/Harkless/Aminu
He still has room for improvement. We have not yet seen Nurk at his best.
Lineup offered without comment:
Starters: Dame/CJ/Trent/Collins/Nurk
We haven't?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201703090POR.html
If he's gonna be better than that, then I'm really excited.
I understand. That one game is at his best though. I'd love to see more than that. If he does, he could become a Top 10 center all time (Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Mikan, Walton, Robinson, Ewing, Ben Wallace.)I meant over the course of a season, not just for one game. Or, do you think he's already peaked and it's all down hill from here?
BNM
Didn't we have all these question marks last year though? And none really solved themselves foe the better.This upcoming season feels like its gonna be very mediocre and very weird. I don't like the lineups at all. It all feels so uncertain and just destined to fail. Neil should stop trying to convince us in Olshey and also, I know Dame and others have talked up Meyers again but man I just can't start to believe it after how many chances he has got. ET is meh. Nobody knows what is going on with Moe. Aminu is meh. Nurk is also kind of a toss up because he can be inconsistent. Collins is a toss up. He has his good games but also games where he doesn't exist. I honestly don't know where this team is even going, is there even a plan? I liked the pick up of seth curry and that's about it.
Look at his first and last half of his previous season and compare. If he can play lime he did down the stretch for a whole season, we have an all-star level big man.We haven't?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201703090POR.html
If he's gonna be better than that, then I'm really excited.
I get it and I like Zach Collins a lot. I too also am interested to see how Simons and Trent develop. Interested in how Nurk plays. I guess I am more so looking at the future beyond this year thinking damn what assets do we have besides an expiring Aminu and Harkless contract? I just want this team to get better, I feel like we have been in the same place for a few years now. I thought we got back great on our feet after LA left but ever since then it's just been mehCippy, my man, why so down? You look at that glass of Red Bull and rum and to you, it looks half empty. From where I'm sitting, it looks half full. Here's why:
Nurk just turned 24 a month ago. Last season was his first as a full time starter. Sure, he struggled initially on the offensive end, but he eventually settled down and, took (and made) better shots, cut down on the TOVs, etc. From the opening game, he was rock solid all season long on the defensive end. He transformed us from a bottom 5 to a top 8 defense. That's quite an accomplishment for such a young, inexperienced player. He still has room for improvement. We have not yet seen Nurk at his best.
Statistically, Zach Collins had an absolutely abysmal rookie year. But, he was only 19 when the season started and had one year of college ball - as a back up. He can only get better (he can't possibly get worse statistically than he was last year).
We return all of our starters from a team that won 49 games. Do you realize how few teams can say the same. If they were able to win 49 games and claim the 3rd seed last year, why cant they do it again (or better) this year? The ONLY key player we lost was Ed Davis. I loved Ed, but he was a back up who played less than 19 MPG and had an average made FG distance of 2.4 feet - not exactly spacing the floor. Great guy, great teammate, solid back up, but his production can be replaced. Zach Collins will get minutes backing up both the 4 and 5 spots and should be able to replace, or exceed Ed's contributions. Zach is bigger, quicker and more talented offensively. He will block more shots and score more points than Ed ever did. If not this year, then next. He's still young, but he will get there. He's a fearless, competivem hard working player with a take no prisoners attitude, on the defensive end. Its rare to see such a young player take so much pride in his defense.
The rest of our bench got better. We have much better shooters, scorers and defenders to trot out with the second unit this year than last year, or anytime in many, many years. These guys are going to be battling for minutes (and some of them playing for their next contracts). That internal competition is healthy. It will make them better, make the team better and give the coach more options to choose from.
I really look forward to watching Simons and Trent Jr. develop. Even if neither cracks the regular rotation this season (I believe Trent Jr. will, during the second half of the season), it will be fun watching these two teenagers get their first taste of NBA action. I think they both have a lot of upside.
Or not...
You never know. That's why the play the games. I can't wait! I'm totally amped for this season to get started!
BNM
I guess I just have the same questions because I don't know which player has really proved themselves. They all have had their flashes of great games and then very underwhelming games. The consistency outside of Dame and relying on CJ just kinda falls apart. I hope the season is good, I really do but it just looks off right now from the feeling I get. I hope it's wrong thoughDidn't we have all these question marks last year though? And none really solved themselves foe the better.
Moe was MIA half the season.
Aminu and ET had typical seasons.
Nurk was inconsistent.
Collins was meh, and only a rookie.
The team played a horrible brand of basketball.
CJ had a down year.
And through all that, we got the 3rd seed.
Not an accident.Love that ET is not listed.
I'm just saying, imagine if we find that consistency. Something to be excited about.I guess I just have the same questions because I don't know which player has really proved themselves. They all have had their flashes of great games and then very underwhelming games. The consistency outside of Dame and relying on CJ just kinda falls apart. I hope the season is good, I really do but it just looks off right now from the feeling I get. I hope it's wrong though
We haven't?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201703090POR.html
If he's gonna be better than that, then I'm really excited.
