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Be that as it may, I wouldn’t say he is a better rebounder than Lee

I would. Without question. Oden has been a rebounding machine. He plays only 23 minutes or so and gets over 8 rebounds per game. Oden is already one of the best rebounders in the game, on a per-minute basis. Fouls are his main problem at the moment.

The fact that he was recruited as a point guard doesn’t make him anymore of one.

The fact that he was recruited to play point guard and was going to play point guard at Arizona is certainly more evidence that he is one than you have presented that he isn't one...that evidence being nothing but your say-so.

Bayless is not a combo guard either - he is a tweener.

He's a classic combo guard. A player who has a scoring mentality, point guard skills, but may not have the court vision and instincts to be an NBA point guard full-time.

And how would a true point guard lower Roy’s value?

It would take away a large part of Roy's value, which is his ability to direct the offense and distribute the ball. Playing Roy off the ball would not be using him optimally. He's not a catch-and-shoot or catch-and-drive player. I'm sure he could do that, but that would waste his play-making skills.

Roy is best used the way Kobe Bryant is used (not to suggest Roy is as good as Kobe). Allowing him to dominate the ball and direct the flow on offense. A true point guard would need the ball in his hands, in order to do his job, and that would not be ideal. The best complement to a player like Kobe or McGrady or Roy, or that type of player, is someone who can also pass but is more of an off-the-ball player and who can defend point guards.
 
I would. Without question. Oden has been a rebounding machine. He plays only 23 minutes or so and gets over 8 rebounds per game. Oden is already one of the best rebounders in the game, on a per-minute basis. Fouls are his main problem at the moment.
Not quite, he is closer to 7 RPG than he is to 8 RPG. Oden might be playing less minutes, but I don’t know if rebounding rate is good enough to determine who the better rebounder is. Does Oden have the stamina to play 34 MPG and rebound at the same rate? Can he do it in a run and gun offense like David Lee? Does he get as many back taps to teammates as Lee? Those are all questions to consider. I don’t think you can say Oden is without question the superior rebounder, it’s definitely up for debate.

The fact that he was recruited to play point guard and was going to play point guard at Arizona is certainly more evidence that he is one than you have presented that he isn't one...that evidence being nothing but your say-so.
His playing style does not reflect that of a point guard. He could technically be labeled as a point guard, but that doesn’t matter unless he decides to play like one plays like one. For example, Jamal Crawford was also drafted as a point guard but plays nothing like a one.
He's a classic combo guard. A player who has a scoring mentality, point guard skills, but may not have the court vision and instincts to be an NBA point guard full-time.
You just proved why he’s a tweener ;) He doesn’t have ideal SG height, but he doesn’t have the instincts or court vision to play point guard fulltime. A combo guard is a player that can comfortably play both positions on both sides of the ball.
It would take away a large part of Roy's value, which is his ability to direct the offense and distribute the ball. Playing Roy off the ball would not be using him optimally. He's not a catch-and-shoot or catch-and-drive player. I'm sure he could do that, but that would waste his play-making skills.
You don’t have to be a catch and shoot/drive player to mesh with a distributor. Roy will still have plenty of opportunities to isolate and create for himself and his teammates. Furthermore, a distributor can have scoring ability as well. Derrick Rose is the perfect example. Do you really think a player like Derrick Rose will be lowering Roy’s value?
Roy is best used the way Kobe Bryant is used (not to suggest Roy is as good as Kobe). Allowing him to dominate the ball and direct the flow on offense. A true point guard would need the ball in his hands, in order to do his job, and that would not be ideal. The best complement to a player like Kobe or McGrady or Roy, or that type of player, is someone who can also pass but is more of an off-the-ball player and who can defend point guards.
I don’t know, man. I think a distributor can make everyone better, including Roy. Even Kobe wanted Jason Kidd a couple of years ago. At the end of the day, players with great scoring abilities like Kobe and McGrady are better off focusing on scoring than they are setting up the offense.
 
Not quite, he is closer to 7 RPG than he is to 8 RPG. Oden might be playing less minutes, but I don’t know if rebounding rate is good enough to determine who the better rebounder is. Does Oden have the stamina to play 34 MPG and rebound at the same rate? Can he do it in a run and gun offense like David Lee? Does he get as many back taps to teammates as Lee? Those are all questions to consider. I don’t think you can say Oden is without question the superior rebounder, it’s definitely up for debate.

It's up to debate, anything is. I just don't think the numbers are deceptive. Oden is an enormous rebounding presence. Lee is a good rebounder, but he doesn't seem at all dominant to me, when I watch him.

His playing style does not reflect that of a point guard. He could technically be labeled as a point guard, but that doesn’t matter unless he decides to play like one plays like one. For example, Jamal Crawford was also drafted as a point guard but plays nothing like a one.

He was playing shooting guard at Arizona, so that affected his playing style. I assume that's what you're referring to when you talk about his playing style, since he hasn't played enough NBA minutes to have established a "playing style" at this level.

At Arizona, he was pencilled in as the point guard, but had to be shifted to shooting guard when their expected shooting guard was injured. Playing shooting guard, of course he wouldn't play like a point guard. That doesn't say much for what he "really" is.

I think he isn't a true point guard at the NBA level, but I think he has the potential to be a scoring point guard, like a prime Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis.

You just proved why he’s a tweener ;) He doesn’t have ideal SG height, but he doesn’t have the instincts or court vision to play point guard fulltime. A combo guard is a player that can comfortably play both positions on both sides of the ball.

A combo guard isn't a player who can "comfortably play both positions." Almost all combo guards are scoring guards who don't quite have the ability to be a true point guard. Anyone who can be a true point guard plays point guard, because true point guards are far rarer and more valuable than shooting guards.

IMO, "combo guard" refers to skillset and "'tweener" refers to size. Bayless is a combo guard because he has skills of both point guards (ball-handling, passing) and shooting guards (shooting, slashing, finishing). He's not a 'tweener, because he's not "in between" point guard and shooting guard heights...he's ideal point guard size. He'd be a bigger point guard, but not oversized.

You don’t have to be a catch and shoot/drive player to mesh with a distributor. Roy will still have plenty of opportunities to isolate and create for himself and his teammates. Furthermore, a distributor can have scoring ability as well.

I'm not saying that a distributor can't have scoring ability or that only catch-and-shoot players can mesh with distributors. My point is that two people can't be primary on-the-ball players. Roy's strength is that he's capable of being a primary on-the-ball player. Those types of players (who are also really good) are fairly uncommon. Another primary on-the-ball player would mean that either he or Roy would be wasting that ability to be able to run the offense. It's not like I'd turn down a young Steve Nash, or a current Devin Harris or Derrick Rose. But since Portland doesn't have one, paying what it would cost to get such a player would be a waste since Portland doesn't need such a player with Roy.
 
most arent getting the point. wether its lee or whoever....


WE NEED A TRADE BADLY. :clap:
 
ok guys...we can keep throwing diogu and channin fuckin frye out there and hope they hit there 20 ft jumpers.

lee doesnt bang, doesnt rebound, doesnt post up. he does nothing we need.

hes everything our big men arent. lets wait for bayless to develop like we did with outlaw. that worked out well.

He averages 11 rpg. :dunno:
 
its mixum hes always serious about everything he says....
 
David Lee is one of the better rebounders in the game. We're slowly building the best bench in the League if we are able to land Lee.

I would not give up Bayless. I view him as our future starter next to Roy. Last week an article stated the Knicks are looking at three PG's naming Sergio as the one they really like of the three (Atkins, Felton were the others).

PG: Bayless
SG: Fernandez
SF: Webster
PF: Lee
C: Przybilla
 
Larry Brown loved Lee in New York, I'm thinking that us trading for Lee is part of a larger scheme to turn around trade him to Charlotte. I'm thinking that Pritchard is going hard after G. Wallace hard and he knows that Charlotte really wants Lee and that if they get him and can throw in another player, say Outlaw it could work. If that's the case, I think it would be worth taking a gamble on getting rid of Bayless for a fairly young and still in his prime G. Wallace. I think if it goes down, it won't be a 3 team deal. It will be more along the lines of what happened when he was traded to Atlanta and then turned around traded to Detroit a couple days later.

G. Wallace would be a perfect fit. A great defender, a guy who doesn't need plays called for him to be effective and an excellent team guy who never oversteps his role and acts like a player he's not. High character guy and brings us a lot of toughness that we desperately need. I don't think there's a better, more reasonable fit out there than G. Wallace.
 
Knicks president Donnie Walsh denied that he is working on a three-way deal with the Blazers and Clippers, but several team sources confirmed that Walsh and the Knicks' coaching staff have discussed the possibility of adding Camby, who was traded from Denver to the Clippers last July.

Portland has been trying for months to acquire Lee, who will become a restricted free agent this summer. Mike D'Antoni would prefer to have the athletic 7-foot Camby as his center as opposed to the 6-9 Lee, who has improved offensively but has struggled on the defensive end.

There was a report of the Knicks being involved in a deal that would send Quentin Richardson to the Clippers and Lee to Portland, with the Knicks getting back Camby and former Knicks first-round pick Channing Frye. Walsh, however, denied having discussed that trade with the Clippers and Blazers.
- NY Daily News (Via Hoopshype)

This sounds a lot better than what we heard yesterday.

So Channing Frye for David Lee is the deal. How can you not do this? There is probably a lot more to the package. If I remember correctly, KP tried to land Lee instead of Frye on that draft night deal.
 
- NY Daily News (Via Hoopshype)

This sounds a lot better than what we heard yesterday.

So Channing Frye for David Lee is the deal. How can you not do this? There is probably a lot more to the package. If I remember correctly, KP tried to land Lee instead of Frye on that draft night deal.

IMO FRYE FOE LEE is simply ridiculous, NO WAY that happens except in our fantasies.
 
- NY Daily News (Via Hoopshype)

This sounds a lot better than what we heard yesterday.

So Channing Frye for David Lee is the deal. How can you not do this? There is probably a lot more to the package. If I remember correctly, KP tried to land Lee instead of Frye on that draft night deal.

That's my recollection too. The only thing I would fear would some team way under the cap offering him a ridiculous amount of money this coming off season, making it next to impossible (or at least incredibly foolish) for the Blazers to retain him.
 
I'm a big fan of Lee. If we could get him here as a backup I'd be ecstatic. However, there are some caveats. I wouldn't want to see significant value traded for him unless KP were convinced he'd accept a backup role and re-sign after this year. However, even if he won't stick around, if all we have to give up is something like Frye or Rodriguez (which I'd be surprised if thats true), I'd be ok with a half year rental. There's always the opportunity to sign and trade him in the offseason, and he'd definitely help for this season.
 
That's my recollection too. The only thing I would fear would some team way under the cap offering him a ridiculous amount of money this coming off season, making it next to impossible (or at least incredibly foolish) for the Blazers to retain him.

Yes, but Frye is a perfectly acceptable cost for a half-season rental, IMO. Essentially, get Lee as the team's primary power forward the rest of the year, and then have none of Lee, Frye and Diogu at the end of the season...which is where we'd be even if we didn't make the deal.

I just seriously doubt we can get Lee for Frye. But if we can, great.
 
You know, considering how shitty that Frye and Diogu have been playing, I wonder why anybody even questions this move. Can he play any worse? Really? What is worse than an outside shooting PF who doesn't rebound and doesn't defend and doesn't hit his outside shots? Or an undersized PF who constantly looks bewildered out on the court even though he has been in the league several years?


Seriously folks, could we really do any worse with Lee as a backup PF???
 
Seriously folks, could we really do any worse with Lee as a backup PF???

I don't know that (m)any here don't prefer Lee to Ike and Frye... but that doesn't mean that we're willing to give up a ton to get him.

Personally? I am not willing to give up Bayless. RLEC would be a close call... I would actually probably be willing to do Frye + RLEC for Lee if the team is confident we can re-sign (and keep happy) David Lee.

As a player, I prefer Gerald Wallace... but when Webster gets back I think that the Webster/Batum/Outlaw small forward combination is pretty promising, and Lee would be both a short-term and long-term improvement to this team in the big man rotation.

Ed O.
 
I don't know that (m)any here don't prefer Lee to Ike and Frye... but that doesn't mean that we're willing to give up a ton to get him.

Personally? I am not willing to give up Bayless. RLEC would be a close call... I would actually probably be willing to do Frye + RLEC for Lee if the team is confident we can re-sign (and keep happy) David Lee.

As a player, I prefer Gerald Wallace... but when Webster gets back I think that the Webster/Batum/Outlaw small forward combination is pretty promising, and Lee would be both a short-term and long-term improvement to this team in the big man rotation.

Ed O.

Yea that is the thing. My hopes of Webster being back this year, with any semblence of physical conditioning intact, are pretty low right now.
 
Yes, but Frye is a perfectly acceptable cost for a half-season rental, IMO. Essentially, get Lee as the team's primary power forward the rest of the year, and then have none of Lee, Frye and Diogu at the end of the season...which is where we'd be even if we didn't make the deal.

I just seriously doubt we can get Lee for Frye. But if we can, great.

For Frye I have no qualms about getting Lee as a rental, my main fears are having to give up actual assets like Jerryd or Rudy for a rental player.
 

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