Blazers getting some Love in NBA.COM

[Boob-No-More]

Just went to nba.com and two of the six featured articles are about the Blazers.

The first one is: Trail Blazers Answering The Questions by Fran Blinebury.

This article came out after Friday's win over San Antonio. Blazer Fanatic did reference it and provided a link in the recently bumped "Who the Hell is Sekou Smith" thread, but I thought it deserved it's own place for those who don't follow old, bumped threads.

The second article, ironically posted on Sekou Smith's Hang Time Blog is:
Batum Says He’s Earned All-Star Nod by Jeff Caplan.

In addition to a nice interview with Nic, the author reinforces Nic's contention that he's worthy of being an all-star. Nic doesn't have the flashy individual stats, but these advanced stats provided by the author shows the positive impact Nic has on the team when he's on the floor:

"Delving into the advanced stats reveals Batum’s all-around value to the Blazers as well as his worthiness for a coveted All-Star spot. Here’s how he ranks among the league’s forwards in key categories (my comments in bold):

> 1st: In offensive rating (113.5 points team scores per 100 possessions with Batum on the floor) Nic is basically playing point forward and does a great job creating easy baskets for his teammates - especially Robin Lopez.

> 4th: In net rating (10.2, the difference between offensive and defensive rating) behind his teammate Aldridge, Indiana’s David West and Golden State’s Lee) All those ahead of him are power forwards. His net rating is better than Durant and LeBron.

> 4th: In true shooting percentage (59.2 percent, adjusted to include the value of 3-pointers and free throws) behind Miami’s LeBron James, Oklahoma City’s Durant and Toronto’s Amir Johnson LeBron and Johnson are in the Eastern Conference.

> 4th: In effective field-goal percentage (55.5 percent, adjusted for 3-pointers being 1.5 times more valuable than 2-pointers) behind James, Johnson and Houston’s Chandler Parsons Again James and Johnson are in the Eastern Conference.

> 3rd: In assist percentage (21.9 percent, percent of teammates’ field goals that the player assisted) behind James and Durant James is Eastern Conference. It's a given Durant is the best small forward in the Western Conference and will be starting in the All-Star game.

> 5th: Among small forwards in rebound percentage (10.3, percentage of total rebounds a player obtains while on the court) behind New York’s Carmelo Anthony, Dallas’ Shawn Marion, James and Durant James and Melo are Eastern Conference, Durant is a given and Marion won't be making the All-Star team.

Not too shabby."

So, what do you think? Personally, even if they have the best record in the West at the All-Star break, I doubt if the Blazers get more than two All-Stars. I think Lillard and Aldridge will definitely make it. If there is a 3rd Blazer All-Star, I'm not sure who is more deserving, Wes or Nic. They are both having great years, but are very different players. Wes is shooting the ball great this season and has become a dependable 3rd scorer. Nic is much more of a glue guy/role player. I don't mean that in a derogatory way. Every championship team needs a guy like that and I'd rather have Nic Batum putting up decent, but not great, individual stats on the 31-9 Blazers than Kevin Love putting up huge individual stats on the 17-19 Timberwolves.

But, glue guys/role players rarely make the All-Star team, and on the rare occasions they do, it's usually in the season AFTER they win a championship.

So, in the bigger picture, what do you think of Nic's claim that he's the 2nd best small forward in the Western Conference? I agree with him on that one. Durant is clearly miles ahead of every other small foward in the West, and the other two clearly better small forwards (LeBron and Paul George) are in the East (as is Carmelo Anthony who really is more of a power forward these days).

So, 2nd best SF in the Western Conference: yes. All-Star: no.

BNM

 

[TheBlueDoggy]

I concur with your assessment of Batum. He's likely the 2nd best SF in the West, but he's not an All Star yet. His advanced stats are nice, and he certainly is a glue guy, but All Stars have historically not been about what a player truly does for his team, but have been about individual stats, flair, and aggressiveness. Nic is a little lacking in individual stats, and is pretty much absent of flair and aggressiveness most of the time. If he played with the fire he had last night in Dallas, every game, he'd probably fit that All Star mold better. As it is, the All Star game isn't about those deserving glue guys, but rather who is more marketable.

Maybe next year or the year after, but I personally don't think Batum has a shot this year.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I concur with your assessment of Batum. He's likely the 2nd best SF in the West, but he's not an All Star yet. His advanced stats are nice, and he certainly is a glue guy, but All Stars have historically not been about what a player truly does for his team, but have been about individual stats, flair, and aggressiveness. Nic is a little lacking in individual stats, and is pretty much absent of flair and aggressiveness most of the time. If he played with the fire he had last night in Dallas, every game, he'd probably fit that All Star mold better. As it is, the All Star game isn't about those deserving glue guys, but rather who is more marketable.

Maybe next year or the year after, but I personally don't think Batum has a shot this year.

The bolded is very true, and unfortunate. I suggested in the "Is Lillard the team MVP" thread that Batum might actually be the most irreplaceable member of the squad, and perhaps the most valuable. The vast variety of his skills and contributions continue to impress me every game I watch.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I concur with your assessment of Batum. He's likely the 2nd best SF in the West, but he's not an All Star yet. His advanced stats are nice, and he certainly is a glue guy, but All Stars have historically not been about what a player truly does for his team, but have been about individual stats, flair, and aggressiveness. Nic is a little lacking in individual stats, and is pretty much absent of flair and aggressiveness most of the time. If he played with the fire he had last night in Dallas, every game, he'd probably fit that All Star mold better. As it is, the All Star game isn't about those deserving glue guys, but rather who is more marketable.

What you said is definitely true of the fan voting, but the coaches select the reserves and sometimes will pick a role player (Doc Rivers, Tayshaun Prince, Charles Oakley, etc.) with lesser individual stats due to the impact he has on his team's success. Those selections are rare and usually occur when a team is having unexpected success, or in the season after they win a championship. Every once is a while, the coaches like to reward a guy who does all the "little things" that helps his team win.

BNM

 

[TheBlueDoggy]

What you said is definitely true of the fan voting, but the coaches select the reserves and sometimes will pick a role player (Doc Rivers, Tayshaun Prince, Charles Oakley, etc.) with lesser individual stats due to the impact he has on his team's success. Those selections are rare and usually occur when a team is having unexpected success, or in the season after they win a championship. Every once is a while, the coaches like to reward a guy who does all the "little things" that helps his team win.

BNM

Very true, I just question how much Batum is on the coaches radar. I'm sure they all know in the back of their minds what he brings to the table, but is that enough to think about him when it comes to a vote? Perhaps an article on NBA.com like this one can help, but I feel it's likely too little too late Imo.

 

[B-Roy]

What you said is definitely true of the fan voting, but the coaches select the reserves and sometimes will pick a role player (Doc Rivers, Tayshaun Prince, Charles Oakley, etc.) with lesser individual stats due to the impact he has on his team's success. Those selections are rare and usually occur when a team is having unexpected success, or in the season after they win a championship. Every once is a while, the coaches like to reward a guy who does all the "little things" that helps his team win.

BNM

I don't think Prince has ever made an all star game but I see your point. If the Blazers are good year after year there's a good chance Batum makes at least one all star game even if his individual stats are not as good.

 

[Hobbesarable]

The bolded is very true, and unfortunate. I suggested in the "Is Lillard the team MVP" thread that Batum might actually be the most irreplaceable member of the squad, and perhaps the most valuable. The vast variety of his skills and contributions continue to impress me every game I watch.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. So, he's more than the glue of the team?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't think Prince has ever made an all star game but I see your point. If the Blazers are good year after year there's a good chance Batum makes at least one all star game even if his individual stats are not as good.

You're right. Prince was 4 time 2nd team All-Defense, but never made the All-Star team. Perhaps Ben Wallace would have been a better example. He made the All-Star team 4 times in spite of never averaging double digits in scoring. He made it for his defense, which impresses the coaches much more than casual fans who tend to like players with high scoring averages and flashy highlights.

BNM

 

[KingSpeed]

Nic isn't a role player. Role players don't get triple doubles. Battier is a role player. Batum is a top 5 SF.

 

[KingSpeed]

The fact is that all 5 of our starters are playing at an All Star level. That's why we are 31-9.

 

[BBert]

Nico is All NBA perhaps, but PDX isn't a hot bed of 'stars'. And glue guys, even super glue guys, as has been stated, don't normally get all star recognition, or all star treatment. Strike three, he's out.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Meh. The all-star game is an orgy for people who think the NBA should be a showcase for individuals rather than a team sport.

 

[PapaG]

You're right. Prince was 4 time 2nd team All-Defense, but never made the All-Star team. Perhaps Ben Wallace would have been a better example. He made the All-Star team 4 times in spite of never averaging double digits in scoring. He made it for his defense, which impresses the coaches much more than casual fans who tend to like players with high scoring averages and flashy highlights.

BNM

Ben Wallace was voted in by the fans as a starter his first two All-Star appearances. I'm not sure he's a good example, either.

 

[KingSpeed]

Nico is All NBA perhaps, but PDX isn't a hot bed of 'stars'. And glue guys, even super glue guys, as has been stated, don't normally get all star recognition, or all star treatment. Strike three, he's out.

Lillard and LMA are superstars. Nic and Wes are top 5 at their position. And Lopez matches up well with centers who have made the All Star team in recent years.

 

[PapaG]

Meh. The all-star game is an orgy for people who think the NBA should be a showcase for individuals rather than a team sport.

Did someone say orgy?

 

[Strenuus]

Lillard and LMA are superstars. Nic and Wes are top 5 at their position. And Lopez matches up well with centers who have made the All Star team in recent years.

This is highly subjective at this point.

 

[crowTrobot]

LMA & Love are locks, leaving 2 spots open for Cousins, AD, & Dirk who are respectively #5, 6, & 8 in the entire league in PER.

As good as the Blazers record is if the coaches voted Nick in over 2 of those guys there would be riots. Not gonna happen. It will be bad enough when AD or Cousins gets snubbed.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

The bolded is very true, and unfortunate. I suggested in the "Is Lillard the team MVP" thread that Batum might actually be the most irreplaceable member of the squad, and perhaps the most valuable. The vast variety of his skills and contributions continue to impress me every game I watch.

Let's be honest. Every starter is irreplaceable. The totality of the heart, effort, chemistry, unselfishness, toughness, acceptance of individual roles, versatility... etc, the starters play with is the best in the entire NBA.

#1 record in the West

#1 in the NBA in rebounding? I do recall saying this was an improved rebounding team before the 1st game of the regular season, and some rube saying you can't take anything away from pre-season but negative stuff like turnovers. D. Decker from Homer's Edge is a dummy. lol

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

This is highly subjective at this point.

What does that make your comment? At least he added something interesting to the thread.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Meh. The all-star game is an orgy for people who think the NBA should be a showcase for individuals rather than a team sport.

I'm OK with that. I would just prefer the coaches select the entire teams so that it actually means more when the tag "All Star" is added to a player's name.

 

[Strenuus]

What does that make your comment? At least he added something interesting to the thread.

An opinion? Mine was an opinion just like his.

No need to get defensive.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

"Not too shabby." Jeff Caplan is NBA.com's Adam Sandler now? lol

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

An opinion? Mine was an opinion just like his.

No need to get defensive.

What am I defensive about? Why are you defensive?

 

[Strenuus]

What am I defensive about? Why are you defensive?

For the sake of transparency, I shall put IMO. If it'll make it easier for you, IMO. Okay, IMO?

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

For the sake of transparency, I shall put IMO. If it'll make it easier for you, IMO. Okay, IMO?

If I may, I might suggest that you could explain what facts, or stats, or observations, etc., leads you to that opinion... for the sake of adding something to the topic of course.

 

[Strenuus]

If I may, I might suggest that you could explain what facts, or stats, or observations, etc., leads you to that opinion... for the sake of adding something to the topic of course.

Okay. I will do that, so long as you provide your stats without being condescending or belittling to others. Deal?

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Okay. I will do that, so long as you provide your stats without being condescending or belittling to others. Deal?

I don't know why you stating that someone's take is subjective is not condescending, but someone saying your opinion is subjective is. It wasn't my intent, just an observation. I am certain you could bring more to the discussion that simply saying something akin to "you're wrong" or "that's highly subjective"... just add the "why" and make it your take.

If I end up disagreeing your take entirely, then you should expect no less from me.

 

[BBert]

The term "star" itself denotes a popularity contest, subject to what interests the masses, and has almost nothing to do with merit. At the same time, the masses are led by the league, ESPN, and their sponsors to follow certain 'stars', and the sheep follow. When I said Portland isn't a hotbed of 'stars', I didn't mean we don't or can't have good players, just that this isn't a major media market and we are not media darlings. One would hope the coaches and other players would base their vote on actual talent, impact and performance. I guess that's why there are separate All NBA and All Defensive teams, selected at the end of the season that does not include voting by the sheep led by the league, its media, and its sponsors.

This circus called All Star Weekend is almost pathetic in how it tries to generate 'buzz' about the NBA's product. I generally don't watch any of it, unless one of my Portland Trail Blazers is involved. So I guess I'll be suffering through some of it this year. It's a good problem to have!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Ben Wallace was voted in by the fans as a starter his first two All-Star appearances. I'm not sure he's a good example, either.

Yikes, you're right. I would have never thought Ben Wallace was popular enough with the fans to get voted as an all-start starter. Then I remembered how weak the center position was in the NBA 10 years ago.

BNM

 

[BrianFromWA]

Jamaal Magloire says hi.