Blazers have talked to San Antonio about Kawhi

[calvin natt]

Did the Spurs fall apart last season when he only played 6 games? As a practical matter, this wasn't a trade of Kawhi for DD - this was a trade of an empty seat on the bench for DD.

well then the Spurs REALLY robbed the Raptors lol

 

[BrianFromWA]

Between LMA and DeRozan, the Spurs have cornered the market on players shooting >8 jumpers per game from 10-23' at a 41.5% clip.
Making the long-range 2 Great Again!

 

[calvin natt]

An empty seat on the bench that could have been traded for many other things.

So RC Buford and Pop turned down better offers you think? I am not saying they didn't (although I highly doubt it). They just wanted to F Kawhi by sending him to Toronto, and to spite him, they decided to take players they didn't really want and hurt the franchise they have been working for, for a combined 40+ years?

 

[e_blazer]

-About Everybody, Summer 2017

I'd love to know the backstory behind his re-signing there. He'd made no bones about wanting to go to LA, so what happened? A sudden love of playing Robin to Westbrook's Ballhog Man? More likely, it seems to me, is that the Lakers weren't as enamored of PG as they were with the idea of ultimately getting Kawhi and passed that info on to PG's agent.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Just sayin'

DeRozan == 4 time all star 2-time all NBA
C.J. == zero time all star, zero time all NBA

TOR == Eastern Conference
POR == Western Conference

Just sayin'

BNM

 

[e_blazer]

So RC Buford and Pop turned down better offers you think? I am not saying they didn't (although I highly doubt it). They just wanted to F Kawhi by sending him to Toronto, and to spite him, they decided to take players they didn't really want and hurt the franchise they have been working for, for a combined 40+ years?

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4502155/

 

[julius]

Kawhi Leonard, #17 pick in the draft?

I think Kawhi had a lot to do with that. Plus, the implication is that under utilized players thrive under Pop.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Interesting requirement. So if someone offered a young upcoming superstar who did not yet average 20 ppg because he was on deep team, SA would not want him? Seems a bit narrow minded.

 

[DDolla]

Would you trade CJ and first round protected pick for one year rental Kwahi and Danny Green?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Something tells me this isn’t over. I have a gut feeling Toronto trades Kawhi for Ball and Ingram+Filler at some point this season

At first I was thinking you might be right. But now I wonder if this just might give LA more of an incentive to wait. Toronto is not for everyone.

But it it does bring up the point that Toronto might turn around and trade him to the west.

 

[Mediocre Man]

False choice. It's an unrealistic trade that would never happen because Pop is petty.

You don't think they could've gotten a better package from Philly?? Pop sent him to Toronto as a big fuck you.

False choice.

They got a youngish all star on a long term contract and a 1st. What could/would Philly have matched that with?

But if you don't wanna calmly talk about what I suggested, that's cool

 

[Natebishop3]

Would you trade CJ and first round protected pick for one year rental Kwahi and Danny Green?

A *possible one year rental. There's no guarantee it would only be for a year.

I would personally make the trade. You only get so many chances at a top 5 talent.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

At first I was thinking you might be right. But now I wonder if this just might give LA more of an incentive to wait. Toronto is not for everyone.

it it does bring up the point that toronto might trade him to the west.

I think LA should trade for him, it would maintain their ability to bring in another star next summer too.

 

[craigehlo]

Would you trade CJ and first round protected pick for one year rental Kwahi and Danny Green?

I wouldn't, but just because of the injury and the fact nobody has seen him play recently. There is a chance this trade doesn't go through unless Toronto waived the physical.

 

[calvin natt]

Would you trade CJ and first round protected pick for one year rental Kwahi and Danny Green?

Yes - but are you hypothetically saying for sure a rental - or what we think will be a rental. If it was set in stone, no. I would take my chances that he falls in love with Lillard/team and likes Portland. If he bolts, oh well, we aren't getting anywhere with CJ vs GS and Houston etc

 

[calvin natt]

Heres the thing. Its basketball not life or death. The question isn't "would you maybe put this heart in your body that might fail even though yours is working, this one might be better or you might die". Its, "hey this is a sport and entertainment, wanna take a chance on a top 3 player?"

 

[Natebishop3]

Heres the thing. Its basketball not life or death. The question isn't "would you maybe put this heart in your body that might fail even though yours is working, this one might be better or you might die". Its, "hey this is a sport and entertainment, wanna take a chance on a top 3 player?"

Well..... to use your heart analogy.... we're slowly dying of heart failure. We could trade our heart for another heart that might cure us, or it might kill us faster.... would you do it?

 

[calvin natt]

Well..... to use your heart analogy.... we're slowly dying of heart failure. We could trade our heart for another heart that might cure us, or it might kill us faster.... would you do it?

Cure us.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Interesting requirement. So if someone offered a young upcoming superstar who did not yet average 20 ppg because he was on deep team, SA would not want him? Seems a bit narrow minded.

Who, in your mind, is that player?

 

[Eastoff]

True. I just don’t think Kawhi is going to enjoy Toronto. Toronto is a great city, but it’s a total opposite of what Kawhi is used to. Then again so is OKC compared to LA.

Maybe taxes have a part in the decision. Los Angeles has a much higher tax then OKC. Toronto compared to SA... It's the reverse.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Who, in your mind, is that player?

No one that was probably offered. But I would not limit myself to established 20 pt scorers. Ingram, Simmons, Brown, Tatum , Dennis Smith all come to mind. I just don't think Pop really made that stipulation.

 

[speeds]

Kawai's uncle manager whatever was pushing NYC as a destination for him as well. The weather there is quite similar to Toronto. The ASG was during a cold snap and people that live in Toronto were staying indoors as well.

The tax issue is moot a considering he wanted to leave the Spurs who could've offered him the most money I think and go to California which has a comparable tax rate to Ontario. If his primary residence is somewhere in the US I believe he splits his taxes between both last time someone explained it to me.

The first round pick becomes two seconds the year after and Toronto isn't lacking young talent so not such a blow. Ujiri valued OG and Pascal Siakam above Poeltl who is a good player but one of several on the roster.

Whether Kawai re-signs is another matter that can be sorted later. A finals appearance is more likely with Toronto than the Lakers or Clippers with GSW and Houston in the way. Dunno what Kawai actually cares about.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Kawai's uncle manager whatever was pushing NYC as a destination for him as well. The weather there is quite similar to Toronto. The ASG was during a cold snap and people that live in Toronto were staying indoors as well.

The tax issue is moot a considering he wanted to leave the Spurs who could've offered him the most money I think and go to California which has a comparable tax rate to Ontario. If his primary residence is somewhere in the US I believe he splits his taxes between both last time someone explained it to me.

The first round pick becomes two seconds the year after and Toronto isn't lacking young talent so not such a blow. Ujiri valued OG and Pascal Siakam above Poeltl who is a good player but one of several on the roster.

Whether Kawai re-signs is another matter that can be sorted later. A finals appearance is more likely with Toronto than the Lakers or Clippers with GSW and Houston in the way. Dunno what Kawai actually cares about.

DeRosan is one of the few American born stars that actually wanted to re-sign with Toronto. (Bosh, Carter, McGrady)
Seems like Kawhi is a long shot. I hope he does, but I doubt he will.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

?

Isn’t it protected 1-20?

ooops, I had it backwards.

 

[speeds]

DeRosan is one of the few American born stars that actually wanted to re-sign with Toronto. (Bosh, Carter, McGrady)
Seems like Kawhi is a long shot. I hope he does, but I doubt he will.

Bosh, Carter, DeRozan, Lowry all re-signed. Kawai is unpredictable but that gamble is worthwhile if we reach new heights in the playoffs. We mightve maxed out with DD.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[KingSpeed]

Keeping Demar gets them closer to a title than adding a potential top 5 player in his place?

Is Kawhi healthy though? Can he play?