Blazers interested in Aaron Gordon

[julius]

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That's your projection. I said nothing about being a "better brand of fan" and that thought never crossed my mind. I do think people are getting unduly upset with Gordon for no reason--it's perfectly reasonable for him to care about those things. But we have sentiments in this thread about "fuck him" and "if this is who he is, we're better off without him" and insinuations that he cares more about branding than working on his game. Sounds exactly like past comments about "mercenaries" for players who cared about the money they made.

You wouldn't have made a comment about fans, or made the comment about "boomer" fans if you didn't think they were worse fans.

Notice I didn't make any comments about other fans disagreeing with what I said, you did.

 

[illmatic99]

Um, where did I call him the runner up?

i did earlier. that's what he's known for, isn't he? don't think it woulda changed if he was doing what he did in NY, though.

 

[julius]

i did earlier. that's what he's known for, isn't he? don't think it woulda changed if he was doing what he did in NY, though.

Then they shoulda quoted you! Hehe.

I think the issue is, people assume because I (and others) didn't think his "branding" comment did him any favors it means we don't want players to make more money or that he's a bad person for doing that.

The reason he doesn't have a huge brand isn't because of his location.

 

[illmatic99]

That's fine, and I agree with everything you said. But you called him "the runner up in the dunk contest", when, again, he is more than that. I don't give a rat's ass about the larger market comment because we'll never NOT be fighting an uphill battle there, but I don't blame the guy for wanting to be known as more than just "dunk bro".

what else is he known for? the uncle drew movie? if he gets his own shoe, will that make his Qrating any higher than potentially getting deeper in the playoffs?

 

[Minstrel]

You wouldn't have made a comment about fans, or made the comment about "boomer" fans if you didn't think they were worse fans.

I made a comment about "boomers" to point out how similar comments about "fuck him" and "not really good for us if he's like that" are to previous generations complaining about how all athletes care about is money and we don't want any mercenaries. Had nothing to do with caliber of fan and I find that a strange contention. I don't think fans of previous generations were "worse fans." I think they had a unreasonable understanding of human incentives and I still see that today.

 

[julius]

I made a comment about "boomers" to point out how similar comments about "fuck him" and "not really good for us if he's like that" are to previous generations complaining about how all athletes care about is money and we don't want any mercenaries. Had nothing to do with caliber of fan and I find that a strange contention. I don't think fans of previous generations were "worse fans." I think they had a unreasonable understanding of human incentives and I still see that today.

It comes off as tho you consider that kind of fan to be lesser.

 

[illmatic99]

I made a comment about "boomers" to point out how similar comments about "fuck him" and "not really good for us if he's like that" are to previous generations complaining about how all athletes care about is money and we don't want any mercenaries. Had nothing to do with caliber of fan and I find that a strange contention. I don't think fans of previous generations were "worse fans." I think they had a unreasonable understanding of human incentives and I still see that today.

im a millenial and i feel that way too.

 

[boredinsalem]

I am not totally sold on a big like Gordon or Aldridge cause of Melo -- cause unless the deal involves Melo makes ZERO sense to trade for a 4 . If i am the Blazers i look for a SF who can play D and 3 and maybe either slide into SG or PF in certain spots but this team needs D . Then you get that piece then go try and find a 4/5 from buyout market or something to shore up the front court.

You're describing Roco (SF) and Jones (3/2). Getting Gordon allows us to play those guys in their more natural positions (and let them move off the ball a little and be help defense monsters).

 

[Minstrel]

It comes off as tho you consider that kind of fan to be lesser.

Well, I just explained why your assumption on that score was incorrect. Not much more I can say about that.

im a millenial and i feel that way too.

That was my point. I just found it strange, since Millennials and Zoomers have generally changed their viewpoints on such things (on average, of course...individuals vary).

 

[illmatic99]

Shaky source, but fwiw.

The Market for Aaron Gordon
The Portland Trail Blazers have emerged as a serious candidate to obtain the young veteran wing. “Feels like Portland’s going to be the most aggressive for him,” one source said. The question now is if the Magic will hold to their steep price for him.

Gary Trent Jr. is believed to be the best asset currently attached to Portland’s offer, but more salary is necessary for a deal to work.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/n...d=1011lffMS5D7&~secondary_publisher=1100l85aM

 

[Minstrel]

Shaky source, but fwiw.

The Market for Aaron Gordon
The Portland Trail Blazers have emerged as a serious candidate to obtain the young veteran wing. “Feels like Portland’s going to be the most aggressive for him,” one source said. The question now is if the Magic will hold to their steep price for him.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/n...d=1011lffMS5D7&~secondary_publisher=1100l85aM



Gary Trent Jr. is believed to be the best asset currently attached to Portland’s offer, but more salary is necessary for a deal to work.

Trent and a first round pick? Hood would be more salary, but would be a negative asset, weakening the deal since he still has another year on his contract. So I wonder what else they could attach that might make it work (that isn't Covington).

 

[illmatic99]

Trent and a first round pick? Hood would be more salary, but would be a negative asset, weakening the deal since he still has another year on his contract. So I wonder what else they could attach that might make it work (that isn't Covington).

Hood is non-guaranteed for next year, essentially an expiring contract. It would have to be Hood + Trent + either Jones or Collins. Sending Collins out would put us into the tax, while sending Jones out would not. I'd rather not give up DJ.

Depends on what else we have planned in the buyout market.

 

[Hoopguru]

Trent and a first round pick? Hood would be more salary, but would be a negative asset, weakening the deal since he still has another year on his contract. So I wonder what else they could attach that might make it work (that isn't Covington).

Possibly Jones?

 

[Minstrel]

Hood is non-guaranteed for next year, essentially an expiring contract. It would have to be Hood + Trent + either Jones or Collins. Sending Collins out would put us into the tax, while sending Jones out would not. I'd rather not give up DJ.

Depends on what else we have planned in the buyout market.

Oh okay, I thought his salary was guaranteed next year. In that case, I can definitely see a deal coming together. I'd also prefer to send Collins out, but it depends on whether the Blazers are determined to duck the tax this year or not.

 

[illmatic99]

Oh okay, I thought his salary was guaranteed next year. In that case, I can definitely see a deal coming together. I'd also prefer to send Collins out, but it depends on whether the Blazers are determined to duck the tax this year or not.

By all accounts, we don't want to be a repeater next year. If we send out Collins, we'd have to do some workarounds with Giles/Blevins to duck under. We'd only be like 500k over. Not impossible, but would limit us in the buyout market.

I can be convinced to send Jones out if we can open up room for someone like Otto Porter or George Hill. Porter coming off the bench as our 6th man would be insane.

Dame/ CJ/ Ant
CJ/ Little
Roco / Porter
Gordon / Melo
Nurk / Kanter

that is scary in the playoffs with the amount of size and versatility.

 

[BigGameDamian]

So if Olshey doesn't get this trade done is his job on the line?

 

[blazerkor]

So if Olshey doesn't get this trade done is his job on the line?

I hope that Olshey's job is on the line regardless. If the team and the coach that the guy has put together don't get us to the WCF and win us at least a game... especially if we go into the playoffs with every player healthy besides Zach, then Olshey has had too much time and his ass should be out of here. No scapegoating Terry. Fire Olshey first and let his replacement decide what to do with this team.

On a side note given the reports of how much Olshey likes Gordon, if he doesn't get the deal done and another team doesn't grossly overpay for him, it will point once again to Olshey's most glaring weakness. In a market where you claim you can't get big name free agents, you can not afford to overvalue your assets the way Olshey has shown he does.

 

[wizenheimer]

if Trent is truly the 'young asset', Portland is in kind of a bind they'd need to wiggle out of. Hood + Zach + Trent puts Portland about 800K below the tax line. But it would also put the Blazers at 12 players, and as I understand it, that would be illegal. They can drop to 13 players for a max of 2 weeks, but not 12. So they'd have to sign somebody before the trade is made, and I'm not sure a 10-day contract solves the riddle....maybe

Portland is at 30 games left, and a minimum salary is pro-rated. So, 30/72 would suggest a vet minimum deal would be around 42% of the 1.621 vet minimum scale or around 675K. That would just fit, but Portland could not stay out of the tax when they added the 14th player

however, according to the CBA FAQ, a pure minimum salary for somebody who has no NBA experience is 900K. Pro-rated, that would be around 360K and two of those guys would keep Portland out of the tax...barely

the 'better' trade cap-wise, would be Simons instead of Trent. That would add nearly 600K in margin bringing that space up to 1.4M. That would mean the Blazers could add 2 veterans on minimum contracts

and I might be wrong about all those assumptions

 

[TBpup]

I dont think he brings that much more than RoCo.

RoCo is a long way from doing some of the things Gordon did to the Nets the other night. I like some of what RoCo does, but Gordon has a larger arsenal.

 

[brooklynballer]

Gordon doesn't really have a choice though. He will get traded where Orlando decides to trade him.

He does have a choice to resign with the team that trades for him though. In essence, if you’re not in a large market, acquiring Gordon will end up being a 1-2 year rental at best.

 

[brooklynballer]

RoCo is a long way from doing some of the things Gordon did to the Nets the other night. I like some of what RoCo does, but Gordon has a larger arsenal.

And with his size and foot speed he can guard the likes of Lebron and Kawhi better than anyone on our roster.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Gordon is an elite glue guy.

On our team he’d be Draymond-esque.

 

[Hoopguru]

And with his size and foot speed he can guard the likes of Lebron and Kawhi better than anyone on our roster.

He played college in Arizona & he's been in Florida as a pro, why would he want to come to not only a small market but a dreary one at that? Maybe he would do what DJ did, heard about the bad weather but thought he could at least try it and see?

 

[blazerkor]

I think if we did Gary, DJ and Hoodie for Godon and MCW that should satisfy both sides. It does have us taking on an extra 500k in cap space which would take us out of the buyout market but I think it would be more fun to try and sign the next Duncan Robinson or Derrick Jones from the G League than anyone that's reportedly being bought out.

Dame, CJ, RoCo, Gordon, Nurk, Melo, MCW, Enes and Nas is our nine man rotation while Ant, Gile, Blevins and some G Leaguer would fight to get some spot PT or prove themselves worthy of expanding the rotation.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think if we did Gary, DJ and Hoodie for Godon and MCW that should satisfy both sides. It does have us taking on an extra 500k in cap space which would take us out of the buyout market but I think it would be more fun to try and sign the next Duncan Robinson or Derrick Jones from the G League than anyone that's reportedly being bought out.

Dame, CJ, RoCo, Gordon, Nurk, Melo, MCW, Enes and Nas is our nine man rotation while Ant, Gile, Blevins and some G Leaguer would fight to get some spot PT or prove themselves worthy of expanding the rotation.

MCW would be an upgrade at back up 1 and can play two if needed. He's a decent defender as well. Id much rather include Simons versus Trent.

 

[blazerkor]

MCW would be an upgrade at back up 1 and can play two if needed. He's a decent defender as well. Id much rather include Simons versus Trent.

In theory I would want to switch out Trent with Simons. That being said, we need to get value for Trent if Neil has made the determination that he is keeping CJ. Unless Neil is planning on spending 90M per season on three guards. I do not think Gary can play anything more than spot minutes at SF, especially with the size of Dame and CJ. It would make us the shortest starting 1-3 in the league and that's not good. If Neil plans on trading CJ on draft day and keeping Trent then yeah we better include Simons but then they'd probably want a pick as well.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think if we did Gary, DJ and Hoodie for Godon and MCW that should satisfy both sides. .

I'd much rather have Ennis than MCW. He's cheaper too

 

[donkiez]

He played college in Arizona & he's been in Florida as a pro, why would he want to come to not only a small market but a dreary one at that? Maybe he would do what DJ did, heard about the bad weather but thought he could at least try it and see?

We are moving into the time of year where Oregon has the best weather in the country, stretching until September or October. In the past that was always the off-season but with Covid the schedule has shifted in our favor, not sure how permanent that is though.

 

[Hoopguru]

We are moving into the time of year where Oregon has the best weather in the country, stretching until September or October. In the past that was always the off-season but with Covid the schedule has shifted in our favor, not sure how permanent that is though.

When its nice here its nice for sure. July through September/October. Im a native Oregonian and have lived in, sunnier climates throughout my 70 years and it was nice. I never could figure out when was younger why there were snow birds, now I know.
As an active outdoors guy, not just hunting and fishing but bike riding, hiking, water I appreciate a nice climate in the winter. Hawaii will do.

 

[illmatic99]

watching nuggets magic closely, and gordon isn't doing too much but i see it. he makes smart decisions and can actually initiate offense either out of the high post or on the roll. he brings skills at his size that we don't have right now.

also, fournier is playing really well. hopefully denver goes after him instead of Gordon and clears the way for us to get him