Blazers looking at Oberto

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Oberto has a lot of dirty tricks he uses, which I approve of. Just don't give him any touches on offense.
 
I thought he was from Argentina?
 
First: Yay!

hasoos said:
Oberto has a lot of dirty tricks he uses, which I approve of. Just don't give him any touches on offense.
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Second: I disagree. He can have all the touches he wants, because he's a very good passer. Just keep the shots to a minimum.
 
He is. And he speaks Espanol. I recall reading articles a few years ago about the bond between members of the Spanish and Argentinian teams.

Rastapopoulos said:
First: Yay!

Second: I disagree. He can have all the touches he wants, because he's a very good passer. Just keep the shots to a minimum.
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Ya. I've been wondering why they went after Hill and Dampier before Fab. For 5-10mpg, he won't hurt us.
 
I actually don't mind this at all! Better then anything else out there. All we need is a rebounder/physical presence in the paint.
 
Dampier has a significantly better PER than Oberto.

Hmm, that should score high on the Rasta-enrage meter.

Dampier is quite old, but Oberto almost as old. Plus, Oberto was worthless last season.
 
I certainly hope they can get him on the team. If nothing else he can teach Donte how to beat the hell out of your opponent without getting caught.
 
Minstrel said:
Dampier has a significantly better PER than Oberto.

Hmm, that should score high on the Rasta-enrage meter.

Dampier is quite old, but Oberto almost as old. Plus, Oberto was worthless last season.
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I don't think we need to compare PER for guys that will not get more than 10mpg. We should rather look at experience, fit, and skills, and Oberto has the edge in that context.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I don't think we need to compare PER for guys that will not get more than 10mpg.
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Why? We shouldn't necessarily judge PER when players are getting so few minutes (due to small sample size) but why wouldn't we want the more effective player, whether that player gets 10 minutes or 40 minutes per game?

We should rather look at experience, fit, and skills, and Oberto has the edge in that context.
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How so? They are of similar age and Dampier has more NBA seasons, so I don't see the experience edge for Oberto.

Why do you judge Oberto a better fit? Both are solid, comparable defenders. Dampier's defense has generally been a bit underrated due to his awkwardness on offense and disappointing career based on draft evaluations. Oberto is slightly more efficient when he shoots, Dampier is slightly more effective on the boards. Since we likely don't want either to shoot much, I'd prioritize the rebounding edge.
 
Alright who is going to be the first one to buy an Oberto jersey when he signs? :ohno:
 
Minstrel said:
Why? We shouldn't necessarily judge PER when players are getting so few minutes (due to small sample size) but why wouldn't we want the more effective player, whether that player gets 10 minutes or 40 minutes per game?
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Because PER has flaws. Wouldn't you agree that Fab is (or at least was) the type of player that brings more "intangibles" to the court than someone like Dampier?
 
Minstrel said:
Why? We shouldn't necessarily judge PER when players are getting so few minutes (due to small sample size) but why wouldn't we want the more effective player, whether that player gets 10 minutes or 40 minutes per game?
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Theoretically, sure. But for his potentially limited stopgap role, I want the guy that fits best. With his good passing skills and high bbiq, I give more value to the intangibles in this case.

How so? They are of similar age and Dampier has more NBA seasons, so I don't see the experience edge for Oberto.
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Given the amount of finals experience in the NBA, world championships, and numerous other international tournaments, he blows Ericka out of the water.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Given the amount of finals experience in the NBA, world championships, and numerous other international tournaments, he blows Ericka out of the water.
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How so? Oberto is 35 years-old, he had a PER of 5.7 last year, and his per/36 rebound rate was 5.8. I just don't see what benefit the Blazers get from him, 'intangibles'-wise or otherwise.

Dampier is still a productive player, while Oberto seems washed up, at least looking at their producation last season.
 
Wasn't he injured for most of last year (much like Howard was before he came here last season)? And he clearly did not care much for playing in Washington. I don't know if he's washed up, but I'd take the Oberto of 07-09 to be our third string center. And citing PER and per 36 stats for a guy who played such sporadic minutes ( http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3988/gamelog) seems awfully silly to me.
 
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Oberto seems more likely to accept a role of backup for now, and then wearing a suit later in the year, and Dampier seems more like he might complain about that sort of situation.
 
Minstrel said:
Why? We shouldn't necessarily judge PER when players are getting so few minutes (due to small sample size) but why wouldn't we want the more effective player, whether that player gets 10 minutes or 40 minutes per game?



How so? They are of similar age and Dampier has more NBA seasons, so I don't see the experience edge for Oberto.

Why do you judge Oberto a better fit? Both are solid, comparable defenders. Dampier's defense has generally been a bit underrated due to his awkwardness on offense and disappointing career based on draft evaluations. Oberto is slightly more efficient when he shoots, Dampier is slightly more effective on the boards. Since we likely don't want either to shoot much, I'd prioritize the rebounding edge.
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How many PER points does a properly set screen register? How many PER does blocking out your man so another guy can get the rebound register? How many PER points does effecting a shot but not blocking it register? PER does not tell the whole story. Yet if Oberto did those things why he was in with a 2nd unit, he would be doing what he needed to succeed on the team, along with the stats that do register in the PER stat tracking.
 
We're looking to bring a guy in to play, at most, 10 MPG for hopefully no more than two weeks. If one can be signed to a one-year deal, while Dampier is holding out for two, then it's a no-brainer. Beyond this first month or two, neither should ever see the court.
 
Minstrel said:
Hmm, that should score high on the Rasta-enrage meter.
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I will not rise to such blatant trolling.

For a more recent (i.e., this Summer) game involving Oberto (and also two of my fave non-NBA PGs, and Luis Scola going totally crazy), I give you The Battle of the Past and Present Spurs Centers:

[video=youtube;8RjxZSs4l6g]


Dampier is quite old, but Oberto almost as old. Plus, Oberto was worthless last season.[/QUOTE]
 
Fabs definitely has fab hair, but I'd rather have Dampier.
 
yuyuza1 said:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/10/18/1759452/report-blazers-considering-fabricio-oberto

I like him much better than Hill or Dampier. And Rudy could find a friend to air out his sorrows to. Unless he wants a longer commitment, I fully support signing him and waiving Patty.
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Don't we have 15 players after we waive Patty? Unless we get an injury exception for Pendy or perhaps just cut Pendy, otherwise I think we are full.

I would like to see us get a PF/C untill Pryz or Oden comes back. I'd expect Camby to miss at least a game, possibly a few. I don't want to see LA and Dante as our only bigs with Babbit backing up the C spot and Batum getting beat around at PF.

Dampier is the more intriguing player to me personally, but if the team believes Oberto will fit in as a better 15th man than I understand going that direction. Either way just getting any big could be the difference in this team winning some games.
 
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