Blazers make another pitch for Amare?

[azsun67]

My guess is that PHX fires Porter but makes no roster moves. I know this isnt flashy, but I believe it to be true. With the talent PHX has, they can easily get into the playoffs if they get reenergized under a new coach. If they do get renergized, I would not want to face them in the playoffs.

 

[crowTrobot]

YOu do this trade, swing Amare withing the hour limit for a player like Harris or Granger... throw in Batum or Rudy if it helps and of course anyone they want. I think we could probably get a Harris/Granger out of this deal. You def. do this in a heartbeat.

there are no realistic circumstances involving amare where granger would be available, and probably not harris either (or augustin which somebody else mentioned).

also there is no "hour" window. anything involving amare and players from our team going to a 3rd team would have to be done all in 1 3-way trade.

 

[MrJayremmie]

there are no realistic circumstances involving amare where granger would be available, and probably not harris either (or augustin which somebody else mentioned).

I actually don't agree. I think a package of Sergio/Rudy/Amare/1st could probably obtain a Devin Harris and a big contract.

 

[Samuel]

Batum's potential is way higher than Deng's. Batum is already a better and more versatile defender anyway. There are maybe 5 players that can defend any single player in the NBA and Batum is one of them. Deng will never be that player.

I like Batum as much as the next guy, but really? Deng is a serviceable defender and a 'good' player on offense. Batum can knock down J's and finish on the break, but that's about it.

I still think Deng has loads of potential. I'm curious what he would be like in a system that could develop him the right way.

 

[LittleAlex]

Why does everyone treat NBA basketball like fantasy basketball?

Amare had his best years on a fast paced team with a Hall of Fame Point Guard. Do you really think you can just remove LA's stats and replace them with Amare's stats?

If so, congrats to you Mr. Whittset.

 

[crowTrobot]

I actually don't agree. I think a package of Sergio/Rudy/Amare/1st could probably obtain a Devin Harris and a big contract.

that might work if amare were a blazer, but last i checked he's still a sun. there's no realistic 3-way there.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Why does everyone treat NBA basketball like fantasy basketball?

Amare had his best years on a fast paced team with a Hall of Fame Point Guard. Do you really think you can just remove LA's stats and replace them with Amare's stats?

If so, congrats to you Mr. Whittset.

Amare's scored 20+ points on over 60 TS% his past 4 full seasons. LaMarcus Aldridge scores at 17 points on 52.5 TS%. Which is just a mediocre scoring efficiency.

No, you don't just replace LaMarcus's stats with Amare. You replace them and then add on MUCH MORE.

Amare is a far superior player than Aldridge and the gap is massive.

 

[Tortimer]

Amare's scored 20+ points on over 60 TS% his past 4 full seasons. LaMarcus Aldridge scores at 17 points on 52.5 TS%. Which is just a mediocre scoring efficiency.

No, you don't just replace LaMarcus's stats with Amare. You replace them and then add on MUCH MORE.

Amare is a far superior player than Aldridge and the gap is massive.

I think Amare is better right now but I don't think the gap is massive.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I think Amare is better right now but I don't think the gap is massive.

It is massive. Amare is the best offensive big man in the league right now. To have four seasons of 20+ PPG scoring with over 60 TS%, including two of those seasons being over 25 PPG scoring. He scored 25 PPG last year, while leading the league in scoring efficiency.

And that's just offensively. Defensively, Amare's been better every year than LaMarcus in Defensive Rating and has had more Defensive Win Shares than LA, while being a better rebounder.

Amare Stoudemire is a top 10 NBA player. Bulls fans are just hoping he is in a Bulls uniform before anyone realizes this.

 

[tlongII]

It is massive. Amare is the best offensive big man in the league right now. To have four seasons of 20+ PPG scoring with over 60 TS%, including two of those seasons being over 25 PPG scoring. He scored 25 PPG last year, while leading the league in scoring efficiency.

And that's just offensively. Defensively, Amare's been better every year than LaMarcus in Defensive Rating and has had more Defensive Win Shares than LA, while being a better rebounder.

Amare Stoudemire is a top 10 NBA player. Bulls fans are just hoping he is in a Bulls uniform before anyone realizes this.

Sorry, but Amare's a terrible defensive player. I don't care what your ratings say. LaMarcus is much better defensively.

 

[Tortimer]

It is massive. Amare is the best offensive big man in the league right now. To have four seasons of 20+ PPG scoring with over 60 TS%, including two of those seasons being over 25 PPG scoring. He scored 25 PPG last year, while leading the league in scoring efficiency.

And that's just offensively. Defensively, Amare's been better every year than LaMarcus in Defensive Rating and has had more Defensive Win Shares than LA, while being a better rebounder.

Amare Stoudemire is a top 10 NBA player. Bulls fans are just hoping he is in a Bulls uniform before anyone realizes this.

I don't know why I even repsond to your posts. I'm not sure what ratings you use and don't care. Amare is a terrible defender and LMA is getting better every year. Amare might have the ability to be a good defender but doesn't try half the time.

I also doubt the Bulls end up with Amare. They never make a trade if they have to give up any of their players that can even walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[STOMP]

I'm seriously wondering if we don't keep Amare though.

If they were able to swing the trade that is talked about in the OP, I'd be for moving Joel and have LA as the primary backup to both Big spots. I'm sure JP would have significant trade value.

STOMP

 

[Tortimer]

If they were able to swing the trade that is talked about in the OP, I'd be for moving Joel and have LA as the primary backup to both Big spots. I'm sure JP would have significant trade value.

STOMP

That's a great idea and I think we could at least get a rotation player for Joel. I'm not sure KP would have enough time to trade Joel before the deadline though. Unless KP is already working on that right now.

 

[Rozza7]

Amare Stoudemire is a top 10 NBA player. Bulls fans are just hoping he is in a Bulls uniform before anyone realizes this.

Yeah, all the Bulls fans get it, the rest of the world is in the dark.

 

[andalusian]

Amare's scored 20+ points on over 60 TS% his past 4 full seasons. LaMarcus Aldridge scores at 17 points on 52.5 TS%. Which is just a mediocre scoring efficiency.

Amare benefited from a very fast pace offense - he is a much smaller improvements over Aldridge when you actually adjust for pace - given this year's performance.

You can see the details here:

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1902302&postcount=3

But, specifically - adjusted for pace their per-36 numbers are (Pts/Rb/Ast/Blocks/Steals):

LMA is: 17.7/6.8/1.8/1.0/0.9
Amare is: 18.6/7.3/1.7/0.9/0.9

Add the fact that Amare's rebounds are inflated because he does not play next to dominant rebounding centers (Both 'Billa and Oden are ahead of Shaq in Rebounding-rate) - and the difference is a lot smaller than you make it to be...

 

[MrJayremmie]

It is massive. Amare is the best offensive big man in the league right now. To have four seasons of 20+ PPG scoring with over 60 TS%, including two of those seasons being over 25 PPG scoring. He scored 25 PPG last year, while leading the league in scoring efficiency.

And that's just offensively. Defensively, Amare's been better every year than LaMarcus in Defensive Rating and has had more Defensive Win Shares than LA, while being a better rebounder.

Amare Stoudemire is a top 10 NBA player. Bulls fans are just hoping he is in a Bulls uniform before anyone realizes this.

LMA is a better defender than Amare. I was listening to a Suns commentator on the morning show here in Portland and they said they would easily trade Amare for LMA straight up if the contracts matched and they would love to have LMA, but Portland would be crazy to do that.

 

[Ed O]

If they were able to swing the trade that is talked about in the OP, I'd be for moving Joel and have LA as the primary backup to both Big spots. I'm sure JP would have significant trade value.

I would definitely be interested in this... Aldridge is a guy who could really do some damage off the bench. Joel is able to score against a lot of backup centers... LA against them wouldn't really be fair.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

Amare benefited from a very fast pace offense - he is a much smaller improvements over Aldridge when you actually adjust for pace - given this year's performance.

This year's performance for Amare is, many of us believe, more of a fluke than an actual indication of his capabilities. PER is adjusted for Pace, and this year is a near career-low year.

Aldridge, on the other hand, has been pretty consistent and while there's a lot of room for improvement I agree with the Bulls' fan that the difference between the two players is pretty massive.

Ed O.

 

[MIXUM]

as far as the blazers second attempt at amare goes.... why is nobody else reporting it?????


also if you cant get amare for that deal....you do it and run. trade aldridge and get a stud pg or sf

 

[andalusian]

This year's performance for Amare is, many of us believe, more of a fluke than an actual indication of his capabilities. PER is adjusted for Pace, and this year is a near career-low year.

Aldridge, on the other hand, has been pretty consistent and while there's a lot of room for improvement I agree with the Bulls' fan that the difference between the two players is pretty massive.

PER is adjusted for pace - but that's not what I said - I said that Amare benefited from fast-pace offense - he is very quick for a big - and his speed provided mismatches there. But - since most teams in the league do not play this style - his production is going to fall much more when the pace is slower - because he is not the greatest half-court player there is - and we see it clearly this year - by PER. (The same is true for Nash, btw). Your argument actually proves my point - he benefited greatly by the D'antoni teams pace.

I think that Amare is only a great upgrade of LMA if you play a very fast system (I am not 100% sure about it - since we have no idea how good LMA would be in this system) - but only a small one if you do not play like D'antoni/GSW.

For the record - I would agree that until we know how LMA plays in a really fast system - Amare seems like a match made in heaven for Chicago given that Rose is a fantastic player in the open-court - and they are so bad and mis-constructed at present - that rebuilding the team around Rose/Amare with fast pace over-all seems like a great thing. On the other hand - in Portland's system - LMA is a better player for the present and the future, it seems.

 

[Ed O]

Your argument actually proves my point - he benefited greatly by the D'antoni teams pace.

It proves nothing. He's had a half-system under a new coach that barely seems to know what he's doing.

There's nothing conclusive that states that Pace is the reason he was dominant before Porter took over.

For the record - I would agree that until we know how LMA plays in a really fast system - Amare seems like a match made in heaven for Chicago given that Rose is a fantastic player in the open-court - and they are so bad and mis-constructed at present - that rebuilding the team around Rose/Amare with fast pace over-all seems like a great thing. On the other hand - in Portland's system - LMA is a better player for the present and the future, it seems.

Aldridge doesn't consistently draw double teams. Amare does, irrespective of Pace.

Amare is able to beat power forwards off of the dribble and get to the line at a much higher rate, and that has little or nothing to do with Pace.

I think that most Blazers fans just are biased towards Aldridge... which is OK, but I think that most impartial observers would consider Stoudemire a far superior player to Aldridge in ANY system.

Ed O.