Blazers make offer for Vince Carter

[Karl Malone's Elbows]

Did Chad Ford just inadvertantly say that trading Carter for Outlaw would upgrade the Nets SF position?

You the shit Chad Ford!

 

[WWBRoyD]

Did Chad Ford just inadvertantly say that trading Carter for Outlaw would upgrade the Nets SF position?

You the shit Chad Ford!

Carter has been playing mostly SG this year for the Nets.

Simmons, Hayes, and Hassell have been getting most of the Nets SF minutes

 

[Da_O]

Did Chad Ford just inadvertantly say that trading Carter for Outlaw would upgrade the Nets SF position?

You the shit Chad Ford!

Technically, Carter is their SG, while Trenton Hassell plays the 3. So yes it would be an upgrade.

 

[ehizzy3]

You people understand NOTHING about Vince Carter. He is a mindboggling athlete and a winner. He plays hurt. He never whines. So he was honest and frustrated as a 25-year old five years ago. Big fucking deal. This is a guy who cares more about assists and getting his teammates involved than scoring points. This is a guy who played the last four months last year on an ankle that required surgery the week after the season ended, despite the fact that it became clear that the Nets were going nowhere. Since becoming a Net, he has missed fewer games than ANY superstar. He is also very, very clutch. You can look it up.

why did this post go unnoticed?

 

[Da_O]

If this is the best deal on the table, do it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Carter would be a huge downgrade in every sense of the word if we are truly still attempting to be a longtime contender in this league.

Bringing him on board pretty much puts us back 10 years to the Whitsitt method of bringing in overpaid, over-rated soon-to-be hasbeens, and makes a liar out of KP.

Not gonna happen.

You mean back in the Western Conference Finals? I'm cool with that

 

[Entity]

Wow, wrong thread. Disregard this post.

 

[Entity]

If this Carter deal goes down, I wonder if there could be a future plan for a perpetually rotating big expiring contract to get a good experienced player every few years.

 

[Natebishop3]

If this Carter deal goes down, I wonder if there could be a future plan for a perpetually rotating big expiring contract to get a good experienced player every few years.

Only if we can convince Vince to be injured so insurance pays the final year of his contract.

 

[KingSpeed]

I'm Travis Outlaw's biggest fan. He is one of my favorite players in the entire league and YET, I don't hate this deal. Vince Carter is a veteran with playoff experience. He shoots the three about as well as Outlaw and he is also a proven clutch player like Outlaw. The downside to the deal is that Outlaw is only 24. He can go a long way with us. Vince Carter only has about 3-4more years in him. Like I said. I love Outlaw but I don't hate this deal. It's definitely interesting and alluring.

 

[MIXUM]

yah maris.... lets keep a bunch of below average talent on this roster so we can keep getting our asses whipped by mediorcre teams like GS and OKC.

you have no clue. considering he thinks sergio will ever be an effective player in this league says all you need to know about maris.

 

[MickZagger]

Technically, Carter is their SG, while Trenton Hassell plays the 3. So yes it would be an upgrade.

If were getting real technical you can say that Ryan Anderson plays the 3 because he technically starts.

 

[Dumpy]

If were getting real technical you can say that Ryan Anderson plays the 3 because he technically starts.

Ryan Anderson has been the starting PF since Yi broke his finger about five weeks ago. The starting SF is usually Bobby Simmons, who got hurt about two weeks ago and was replaced by Trent Hassell. Jarvis Hayes is the backup SF.

Vince Carter is the starting SG, although he is utilized as the PG in about half the possessions.

One overlooked reason for the development of Devin Harris and Brook Lopez is the unselfishness of Vince Carter.

The Nets' difficulties right now stem from their inexperience and lack of depth (partly due to injuries). They were 18-18 when Yi got hurt, and have struggled ever since. With a starting lineup of Brook Lopez, Yi, Carter, Harris, and with their two primary (veteran) reserves Keyon Dooling and Hayes healthy, the Nets have a record of 13-6. Despite the fact that Yi has been mediocre and they've gotten zero production from their starting SF. Think about that for a minute: Everyone expected this team to finish last, and yet when everyone is healthy they are winning 68% of their games. The reason for that is Vince Carter. How anyone wouldn't want him is beyond me. His contract is not terribly unreasonable for what he brings.

 

[xflavioVC15x]

Getting Vince would be like having a more experienced Roy
Vince carter / Roy
PPG 20.8 / PPG 22.7
RPG 5.1 / RPG 4.7
APG 4.9 / APG 5.1
SPG 1.0 / SPG 1.1
BPG 0.4 / BPG 0.3
FG% 0.439 / FG% 0.474
FT% 0.815 / FT% 0.819
3P% 0.393 / 3P% 0.392
MPG 36.5 / MPG 37.5


and whoever is saying that Vince will demand the ball has not watched him play in a long time. I would really like to know when was the last time he led his team on shots taken and for being a cancer for chemistry . The only reason the Nets are hesitating to trade him is because he's a great leader to our young guys and is a big reason why they are developing so fast

 

[The_Lillard_King]

and whoever is saying that Vince will demand the ball has not watched him play in a long time. I would really like to know when was the last time he led his team on shots taken and for being a cancer for chemistry .

Well there was this 4 years ago:


Vince Carter’s former teammates were dismayed Friday after hearing him admit he didn’t always try his hardest when he played for the Toronto Raptors.

http://www.bballcity.com/vince-carter-not-trying/

 

[xflavioVC15x]

Well there was this 4 years ago:


Vince Carter’s former teammates were dismayed Friday after hearing him admit he didn’t always try his hardest when he played for the Toronto Raptors.

http://www.bballcity.com/vince-carter-not-trying/

Ok that's back in Toronto. He has matured more now. Trust me i watch this guy 82 times a year. He's a different player today as he was back then. People are considering this year to be one of his best years ever.

 

[BIG Q]

Only if we can convince Vince to be injured so insurance pays the final year of his contract.

That won't be a problem. He layed down on the job in Toronto w/o hesitation or remorse.

 

[hasoos]

Ok that's back in Toronto. He has matured more now. Trust me i watch this guy 82 times a year. He's a different player today as he was back then. People are considering this year to be one of his best years ever.

I agree. The other night I watched him get a triple double. There was no quit in Vince. He was focused.

A lot of folks seem to forget that when players get near the end of their career, they start to sense that chance for a ring to slip away, and can play really hard the last few years of their career. Most of the good teams, usually add a few of these players to finish the last few pieces of their team to compete for a championship, and use those types of players to re-shore up their team over the years. Not every god damned player on the team has to be a "Blazer for life".

One of the best examples of such is when we picked up Scottie Pippen. How many years did Pip have left in his tank? Even though they weren't the best of his career, they sure as hell were fun to watch him in a Blazer uniform.

 

[hasoos]

I am going to throw this out there, because maybe there is a bit more to this plan than people are thinking.

1. A lot of people are afraid of Vince's contract, because it is big, and has a few years left on it (Up to 3).

2. We initially thought that with RLEC, we would have a shot at a free agent this year, but now we are not, especially if the salary cap is reduced.

3. It so happens that one of the free agents in 2012 is Chris Paul. Another is Derron Williams. Another is Devon Harris.

So, if you work the deal, and get Carter, amazingly enough you may have parleyed RLEC into a huge contract that expires the years that all of the above PG are available. Have your ears perked up yet?

 

[LittleAlex]

I don't understand how Carter wouldn't be an upgrade at SF. We have exactly 2 true small forwards. One is a 19 year old that has flashes of ability in-between long periods of suck. The other is still wearing a boot.

The argument that Outlaw is a small forward doesn't hold water. He is only effective as a power forward which is the position he plays most of the time.

I don't think Carter is the best option, but he would be a HUGE upgrade.

Oh, and the Toronto thing. The reason he wanted out (and many other players have wanted out) is about money. He was paying 60% of his income in taxes in Canada, as opposed to 30% in the US. That is many, many millions of dollars. I can't really blame him a bit for wanting off a loser team that was costing him 3million a year.

 

[free_lafrentz]

I am going to throw this out there, because maybe there is a bit more to this plan than people are thinking.

1. A lot of people are afraid of Vince's contract, because it is big, and has a few years left on it (Up to 3).

2. We initially thought that with RLEC, we would have a shot at a free agent this year, but now we are not, especially if the salary cap is reduced.

3. It so happens that one of the free agents in 2012 is Chris Paul. Another is Derron Williams. Another is Devon Harris.

So, if you work the deal, and get Carter, amazingly enough you may have parleyed RLEC into a huge contract that expires the years that all of the above PG are available. Have your ears perked up yet?

Wouldn't we be way over the cap by 2012 because of contracts given to Roy, LMA and Oden?

 

[hasoos]

Wouldn't we be way over the cap by 2012 because of contracts given to Roy, LMA and Oden?

Maybe. Maybe not. It all matters who is signed for how much, and who is gone. Vince's contract is quite large. It's kind of hard to do the math when contracts are not signed yet.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Oh, and the Toronto thing. The reason he wanted out (and many other players have wanted out) is about money. He was paying 60% of his income in taxes in Canada, as opposed to 30% in the US. That is many, many millions of dollars. I can't really blame him a bit for wanting off a loser team that was costing him 3million a year.

Seriously? How is a guy making 15 million a year only paying 30% on his taxes. If he's not paying 50% now he will be.

 

[hasoos]

Seriously? How is a guy making 15 million a year only paying 30% on his taxes. If he's not paying 50% now he will be.

Yes and no. I believe since he is still a US citizen, and not exempt, he has to pay taxes in both countries. Any tax experts out there to chime in?

 

[LittleAlex]

Seriously? How is a guy making 15 million a year only paying 30% on his taxes. If he's not paying 50% now he will be.

He is only paying 50% if his accountant sucks ass. That may be the listed amount, but I don't think many people in his tax bracket actually pay that much.

As hasoos said, the real kicker is having to pay taxes twice. Every time you hear about a player going to Toronto you hear about the tax burden. Some players don't mind, other players hate it. Vince was in the second group.

 

[ehizzy3]

well sean williams got arrested..so there goes his clean legal slate in the nba....its to bad, he'd be the perfect backup PF