Blazers make offer for Vince Carter

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Just another thing to throw out there. If Tmac is truly having serious health issues, one of the best things the Blazers can do is make sure Houston does not work themselves out of a jam and end up competitive by end of season, when we can sweep in and take the player they are trying to get.
 
i dont undertsand why everyone is so pumped.... rockets are the front runners.


jefferson is our only real option
 
MIXUM said:
i dont undertsand why everyone is so pumped.... rockets are the front runners.


jefferson is our only real option
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Yea you know what would be funny. Say the Rockets win out. They pull the trade at last minute, and then McGrady fails his physical and Thorn, rescinds the trade, but no more deals can be made because the deadline has passed. Both teams are stuck with players they tried to trade for the rest of the year. How do you think that would go over?
 
crowTrobot said:
as a SF 23.8 opponent PER says otherwise.
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Isn't that actually the number for the whole team at the SF position, in which he shares with wonderful defenders like "Yi"? Remember Carter plays SG mostly in NJ. Where are you drawing your stats from?

Edit-I went and looked it up, and you are looking at the opponent PERS from the SF position. Vince plays 92% of his time at SG in NJ. The opponent counterpart PERS at the shooting guard position is 17.6

http://www.82games.com/0809/08NJN5.HTM

Now if you look at Vince's, his PERS is 21.8. So from night to night he wins more than he loses. The problem, you don't really have anything at SF to compare with.
 
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crowTrobot said:
as a SF 23.8 opponent PER says otherwise.
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But Carter's production at the SF position is 26.3 PER

http://www.82games.com/0809/08NJN5.HTM#bypos

There's others on my trade list higher than Carter, but Carter's on the list.

Carter is so athletic, he may be able to play into his 40s. I suspect his defense will improve some when he's back in the thick of a meaningful playoff run, too.
 
I wonder if KP is really THAT enamored with Vince, or if he's trying to broker another deal somewhere else. Does KP feel pressured to have to use the RLEC and Vince is the best he can get?
I'm still on the fence with Vince. Great scorer to go alongside Brandon. I just hope if we got him, he'd be willing to fit in with the team.
 
crowTrobot said:
as a SF 23.8 opponent PER says otherwise.
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except that he's the Nets' SF 8% of the time, and their SG 62% of the time.
Judging his opponent's PER off of 3.84 minutes/game is a waste of time.
 
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Isn't Cater the exact oppostie player KP said he was after?

KP said if they make a trade it is not to get better for this year but a trade that will help them be better 2-3 three years from now.
 
crowTrobot said:
as a SF 23.8 opponent PER says otherwise.
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He's played so little at small forward this season that I wouldn't put a lot of weight on that. He has an opponent PER of 7.2 at the PG position, but I would take that to mean he's a brilliant defender at the point guard position. Of course, if he was, we could use that too. ;)
 
hasoos said:
Isn't that actually the number for the whole team at the SF position, in which he shares with wonderful defenders like "Yi"? Remember Carter plays SG mostly in NJ. Where are you drawing your stats from?

Edit-I went and looked it up, and you are looking at the opponent PERS from the SF position. Vince plays 92% of his time at SG in NJ. The opponent counterpart PERS at the shooting guard position is 17.6

http://www.82games.com/0809/08NJN5.HTM

Now if you look at Vince's, his PERS is 21.8. So from night to night he wins more than he loses. The problem, you don't really have anything at SF to compare with.
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No... that's only going to be considering Carter's time on the floor at the SF position. He's not playing a whole lot of SF mins right now, though. He's played about 8 times more minutes at SG this season. Wouldn't take more than a couple of bad games at SF to bias the result.
 
it's_GO_time said:
Isn't Cater the exact oppostie player KP said he was after?

KP said if they make a trade it is not to get better for this year but a trade that will help them be better 2-3 three years from now.
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IMO, his point was that he wouldn't be making any trade that sacrifices the future just to reinforce a playoff push this year. If he can't find a deal for a long-term piece, I don't think he'd be opposed to getting a player who will help this year and the next couple if he doesn't have to give up any significant player for the future.
 
I always wonder how they determine that for 82 games. If Roy, Blake, and Rudy are all on the floor at the same time, you could say that Roy is the SF, just because he is the biggest of those 3, but if you look at the way they play, at that time, then Rudy would be the SF, and Roy, well, really, Roy the PG. Do they go off of height? Do they watch every game? Not trying to complain really about the stat, just don't see how you could really say who is playing what position.
 
RR7 said:
I always wonder how they determine that for 82 games. If Roy, Blake, and Rudy are all on the floor at the same time, you could say that Roy is the SF, just because he is the biggest of those 3, but if you look at the way they play, at that time, then Rudy would be the SF, and Roy, well, really, Roy the PG. Do they go off of height? Do they watch every game?
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Probably based on who they defend. If Rudy is defending a player who is primarily a small forward, he's the small forward in that situation. If he's defending a player who is primarily a point guard, he's the point guard.
 
Minstrel said:
IMO, his point was that he wouldn't be making any trade that sacrifices the future just to reinforce a playoff push this year. If he can't find a deal for a long-term piece, I don't think he'd be opposed to getting a player who will help this year and the next couple if he doesn't have to give up any significant player for the future.
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I agree with that, and Cater does seem to fit that interpretation of KP's statement (putting aside the whole argument if Outlaw will help this team 2-3 years from now)

But I'm still against the trade . . . the whole Outlaw thing :D
 
Boob-No-More said:
Really????? Sean Williams is an underachieving idiot headcase asshole - and those are his good qualities. The dude basically got kicked out of the D-League. New Jersey had to recall him because their D-League team had enough of his shit. He sounds like a taller, less talented version of Bonzi Wells. Do we really want that on our team?

BNM
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From a playing perspective, him and Bonzi have nothing in common.
 
Vince is a star. Look at his numbers:

PPG 20.8
RPG 5.1
APG 4.9
SPG 1.0
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.439
FT% 0.815
3P% 0.393
MPG 36.5

Looks almost identical to Roy's:

PPG 22.7
RPG 4.7
APG 5.1
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.474
FT% 0.819
3P% 0.392
MPG 37.5

Pretty darn tootin' impressive.... I like this trade.

iWatas
 
MIXUM said:
as long as we upgrade at SF i will be content...i cant take batum anymore as a starter
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if they don't make a trade does this mean you'll stop following the Blazers and posting? I hear knitting is a good hobby if you're looking to avoid stress.

STOMP
 
it's_GO_time said:
Isn't Cater the exact oppostie player KP said he was after?

KP said if they make a trade it is not to get better for this year but a trade that will help them be better 2-3 three years from now.
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When did he say that? I have always say KP will make moves he thinks will improve the team (duh) but I haven't heard him talk that way in about 2 years.
 
This trade would seriously hurt Portlands chances at winning a Championship. Carter defines the word cancer. Chemistry would likely be severley and permanently damaged and his contract would keep Portland from acquiring players when the team would most need to.

I'd lose a lot of respect for Pritchard if he did this.
 
I have a feeling no matter who we trade for people are going to have something to complain about.

Carter could be a good fit for this team. A little change of scenery good do him good. I think he would accept his role in the offense. He's a good finisher, shoots a respectable percentage from three, and can slash into the lane. Sure his defense is average but his attitude could change when he's playing for a contender.
 
hasoos said:
When did he say that? I have always say KP will make moves he thinks will improve the team (duh) but I haven't heard him talk that way in about 2 years.
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2 years? KP says that pretty much everytime he's interviewed.
 
Vince Carter's having a good game right now if anyone cares.
 
Vince would be a nice 3rd fiddle here in Portland. It reminds a lot like Detroit bringing in Sheed, a guy that you know what he is all about and can provide you with support for your core players.
 
Not sure if VC is a Blazers system guy. Not really a Nate guy.

Gerald Wallace, however, is very much so - I want Wallace!

(But, I'd take VC as a consolation. Of course I haven't looked at his contract yet!)
 
crowTrobot said:
so is richard jefferson and his team isn't getting blown out.
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I noticed RJ had a great game tonight and the Bucks won the game on the road. 29 pts 8-13fg 4-5 3ptr's 5 rbd 5 asst. I still would take any of these sf in this order: Butler, Wallace, RJ or VC. I think after Butler I think the other 3 are very close IMO.
 
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