Blazers making offer to Kanter

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Schilly said:
All we're bringing in is athletic defenders who can't shoot! Here's Ends Kanter he's a near elite offensive post... Ahhh all he does is score why can't we get defensive guys!!!!
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I've been looking forward to a tougher defensive team. Also, I've been looking forward to more pick and roll, which it appears our new bigs are pretty good at. Kanter does appear to be more elite on offense than the guys we have. But yes, he needs to improve his defense. A lot.
 
BBert said:
I've been looking forward to a tougher defensive team. Also, I've been looking forward to more pick and roll, which it appears our new bigs are pretty good at. Kanter does appear to be more elite on offense than the guys we have. But yes, he needs to improve his defense. A lot.
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It's like you read my mind.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Not really. OKC had pretty much admitted he was a max player. OKC is keeping this guy. There's no way they let this guy go. Durant is a free agent next summer, and a lot of teams will have solid money.

If they let Enes walk without acquiring someone in return (maybe via S&T with Portland for one of our bugs?), you're sending the wrong message to Durant in his walk year. He'll take it as a sign they're not committed to winning. Then, they'll lose him for nothing. Presti has a fresh example of this in his face (PDX and Aldridge).
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Wait, are you saying that the team that was unwilling to max Harden and traded him for scraps haven't already sent that message already?
 
BBert said:
OK. That was pretty impressive.

But his defense. Oy. Why is he so bad at defense?
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defensively I think he leans over too much while gaurding the post, resulting in a lack of base strength. Basically he puts too much weight on his opponent so that when his opponent backs down, he has nothing to compensate.
Everything else just looks like he isn't sure of what to do, or is standing too tall to make a solid play defensively. I don't think it's effort, and I think he could be at least an average defender with a little bit of work. That and becoming a 20/10 guy, could make him an allstar. I would be happy to get him
 
As I said I have been waffling. I love his offensive skills. My concern is the effect on his teammates when he is making 3-4 times more money than they are and not putting forth the same amount of effort. (Pure speculation on my part) Will that piss them off? It did in Utah and he was not making that much.
 
magnifier661 said:
Wait, are you saying that the team that was unwilling to max Harden and traded him for scraps haven't already sent that message already?
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After the miscue of not maxing Harden, this could be OKC's Jermaine O'Neal moment.
 
e_blazer said:
Make a list of all of the NBA centers who are good on both the defensive and offensive ends and get back to me with the one we can get.
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Well, if we measure offense by ORPM and defense by DRPM, and overall game by the combined stat, RPM - there are 59 centers better than Kanter. So here are some that we could get:
Greg Stiemsma (57)
Ryan Hollins (46)
Reggie Evans (42)
Dewayne Dedmon (33)
And my personal favorite:
Joel Freeland (31)

Just a hunch, but I think you could get one of those for under $17M per year.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Well, if we measure offense by ORPM and defense by DRPM, and overall game by the combined stat, RPM - there are 59 centers better than Kanter. So here are some that we could get:
Greg Stiemsma (57)
Ryan Hollins (46)
Reggie Evans (42)
Dewayne Dedmon (33)
And my personal favorite:
Joel Freeland (31)

Just a hunch, but I think you could get one of those for under $17M per year.
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That's quite a group of guys who are "meh" on both ends of the court. Their numbers may add up the way you want, but if you honestly think that those guys are difference makers, I don't know what to say.
 
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e_blazer said:
That's quite a group of guys who are "meh" on both ends of the court. There numbers may add up the way you want, but if you honestly think that those guys are difference makers, I don't know what to say.
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I think the point is that neither is Kanter, not that all of those guys are great.
 
? Numbers? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Well, if we measure offense by ORPM and defense by DRPM, and overall game by the combined stat, RPM - there are 59 centers better than Kanter. So here are some that we could get:
Greg Stiemsma (57)
Ryan Hollins (46)
Reggie Evans (42)
Dewayne Dedmon (33)
And my personal favorite:
Joel Freeland (31)

Just a hunch, but I think you could get one of those for under $17M per year.
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Dude it's okay man. Jesus loves u
 
magnifier661 said:
Wait, are you saying that the team that was unwilling to max Harden and traded him for scraps haven't already sent that message already?
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I'm saying I'd like to think they'd learned from it. If we were in the same boat with Dame 2-3 years from now as we just experienced with LA, you don't think the LA situation would be in the back of management's head? How many times did management appear shy to deal young talent after the Jermaine debacle? Teams tend to operate out of paranoia of making the same mistake multiple times in the short-term.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Well, if we measure offense by ORPM and defense by DRPM, and overall game by the combined stat, RPM - there are 59 centers better than Kanter. So here are some that we could get:
Greg Stiemsma (57)
Ryan Hollins (46)
Reggie Evans (42)
Dewayne Dedmon (33)
And my personal favorite:
Joel Freeland (31)

Just a hunch, but I think you could get one of those for under $17M per year.
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Damn it Rasta, now you are making me switch back over to the "I hope we sign him side".
 
Nikolokolus said:
I think the point is that neither is Kanter, not that all of those guys are great.
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Sure he is. If the Thunder match, as they insist they will, then it's going to make a real difference in their roster by forcing them to dump other players to avoid a major luxury tax smack down. OTOH, if they don't match, the top team in our division suddenly is missing a big man in the middle. Either way, Kanter is clearly a difference maker.

Oh, that's not what you meant? Kanter's offense always impressed me. He's a huge asset to a P&R offense, which Westbrook made the best use of last year. We haven't had that in our arsenal in like forever. Dame would love him. On the defensive end, I think he can get better, but he's never going to be good. That said, Aminu and Plumlee can help provide interior defense.

I'm not totally sold on Kanter, but I'm not going to knee-jerk go into whine mode about him either. Some of you guys I can't remember being happy about any Blazers move, ever.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
yes, but it's silly point.
It makes sense to get a guy who is +20 -20 in hopes that he can fix the -20.
Getting a guy that's +2 -1 is "meh". He gonna improve to +6 -1? Yawn.
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No, the point is: you are dazzled by the points and rebounds and ignoring the historically awful defense.

It's kind of insulting to Kanter, actually: you refuse to acknowledge the feature that makes him stand out above all others. Many have had such an efficient offense. Many have rebounded like that. But hardly any have been that god-awful at defense.
 
Defense is a true team effort. I think this is the big difference from offense. You can compensate for one or maybe even two fairly inept offensive players (so long as they can set good picks or get you new possessions by rebounding). But one really bad defender ruins the whole defensive scheme. And it puts pressure on the others and tends to really make them resent you, especially if you're not a particularly pleasant individual, as Kanter gives every impression of being.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
No, the point is: you are dazzled by the points and rebounds and ignoring the historically awful defense.

It's kind of insulting to Kanter, actually: you refuse to acknowledge the feature that makes him stand out above all others. Many have had such an efficient offense. Many have rebounded like that. But hardly any have been that god-awful at defense.
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If he has the defense of a high schooler, then getting him to the defense of a college player will not be that hard.
 
Wow. Wes now gets 70/4 from Dallas.

So, would you rather have a 23-year offensive-minded C or Wes at 28 coming off an Achilles rupture at the same price?

(In the end, I believe we get neither, but thought I'd ask.)
 
Get use to the idea of us getting Kanter.
Last time Neil was in contact with Indy. Indy let them know right away that they would match, and Neil backed off.
That didn't happen this time suggesting that either OKC will not match or they're still thinking about it.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I'm saying I'd like to think they'd learned from it. If we were in the same boat with Dame 2-3 years from now as we just experienced with LA, you don't think the LA situation would be in the back of management's head? How many times did management appear shy to deal young talent after the Jermaine debacle? Teams tend to operate out of paranoia of making the same mistake multiple times in the short-term.
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Let's hope they are still stupid! ;)
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Get use to the idea of us getting Kanter.
Last time Neil was in contact with Indy. Indy let them know right away that they would match, and Neil backed off.
That didn't happen this time suggesting that either OKC will not match or they're still thinking about it.
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That was during the moratorium. Pen and paper were never close to being done.
 
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