Blazers Offer Roy Hibbert Max Contract

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and from what I read, Indy was offering Hibbert and the 15th to move up to #2
 
If Indy doesn't match I really like this signing. Best free agent we could get this off-season. Yes he will be highly paid, but it is only for 4 years. Rashard Lewis was signed for a 6 year deal at a higher amount. Also, "max" contracts are not all the same. A max contract for Hibbert is much smaller then an established veteran, or Kobe or whatnot. Hibbert is coming off a rookie contract so his max is around $15 million. Kobe earns over $30 million. Dirk earns way over $20 million. Players like Durant and soon to be Blake Griffin got the 30% designated player max which is also significantly higher then what Hibbert is eligible for.

Posters throw around the term "max" as if its always a set amount but it varies greatly. Hibbert has one of the smallest "max" contracts you can get.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
and from what I read, Indy was offering Hibbert and the 15th to move up to #2
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Hibbert is a RFA, they coudln't offer him in any draft day deals just like we couldn't offer hickson/Batum in any.
 
I'm excited over this news. Very excited. Imagine had we still been without a GM?

Next: f**k OKC and go after Scott Brooks to coach this group!

Lillard / Billups / Smith
Elliot / Wes / Barton
Batum / Babbitt / Claver
LMA / Hickson
Hibbert / Lennard
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
I'm excited over this news. Very excited. Imagine had we still been without a GM?

Next: f**k OKC and go after Scott Brooks to coach this group!

Lillard / Billups / Smith
Elliot / Wes / Barton
Batum / Babbitt / Claver
LMA / Hickson
Hibbert / Lennard
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Oh hell no, I hate Brooks as a coach, think he is bascially mcmillian.
 
Rhal said:
Oh hell no, I hate Brooks as a coach, think he is bascially mcmillian.
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Why so? I thought he did very well until the loss in game 2 in the Finals. Then he had some issues with adjustments, etc. But on the whole, he had his players together as a "team" and appearing to be all on the same page. In any case, I doubt he will not sign a new contract with OKC today. In truth, I say we just give Kaleb a shot - providing we can't lure Jackson.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Why so? I thought he did very well until the loss in game 2 in the Finals. Then he had some issues with adjustments, etc. But on the whole, he had his players together as a "team" and appearing to be all on the same page. In any case, I doubt he will not sign a new contract with OKC today. In truth, I say we just give Kaleb a shot - providing we can't lure Jackson.
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He has made 1 defensive adjustment in 3 years in the playoffs and suddenly he is getting all this praise. They are a horrible team from timeouts and the reason they are good isn't him but his players, the players like him so he stays as a headcoach who will make adjustments as often as Nate did, difference is he has more talent to work with.
 
Hibbert is a rare old-school center because he had an old-school teacher, Larry Bird. I know, Bird wasn't the coach, but he taught him a lot. Now that Bird's gone, Hibbert will stop progressing, even if he stays in Indiana with the same coach.

Hibbert will now regress, whether in Indiana or here.
 
jlprk said:
Hibbert is a rare old-school center because he had an old-school teacher, Larry Bird. I know, Bird wasn't the coach, but he taught him a lot. Now that Bird's gone, Hibbert will stop progressing, even if he stays in Indiana with the same coach.

Hibbert will now regress, whether in Indiana or here.
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Bird got Walton to teach Hibbert over the summer the last 2 years.
 
It's just like I credit Kevin McHale for Garnett's development, even though McHale was GM, not Coach.

Auerbach--->Fitch--->Bird & McHale--->Hibbert & Garnett
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Yeah Smith and Babbitt kinda suck but Williams and Barton are wildcards and they will all likely get some playing time throughout the season.
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At least Babbitt could hit his 3's unlike Crawchuck and Failton.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Not much to choose from. Claver has a much more refined offensive game than Babbit.
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Did you forget, McMillan sat Babbitt on the bench for 2 seasons? How else can Babbitt get the offensive flow when he's sitting there for two seasons. It pissed me off when Nate just had him play under 5 min in blow out wins. How else is Babbitt, Nolan Smith, etc get experience? Sure, I admit Babbit needs help on the defensive end but at least he hit 3's and did other scoring when he finally hit the floor without Nate McMillan game system in toe.
 
In the McMillan system without Roy, if you don't keep your starters in till the blowout's over, you blow the blowout.

Man, I am glad that walking bag of contradictions is gone. Bonus: He took Pritchard with him! Yeah!
 
But this is pretty freaking cunning, though. Make the offer as early as possible. Force Indy's hand and eliminate them from going after guys that we're after too-- like Gordon.
 
Brilliant diversionary tactic. Offer the max to a player on each team which wants Gordon. While they scramble, we take Gordon.
 
not worth getting excited about. indi will cry about it, then match. just like we will with batum at 11M.
 
Interesting move. Center problem solved if we get him.

We'd still have 11 mill left if we sign him to the max, after signing Lillard/Leonard. ( but not counting Batum's hold). That will be enough for Batum, and we have his bird rights.

But by bye JJ Hickson.....if we had his bird rights, we could have gone over the cap to sign him for one year, knowing we could get Kurt Thomas, Nolan Smith and Shawn Williams off the books next year.

Also, what does this mean for Joel Freeland? I'd like him to get get a backup role over Kurt Thomas, but it looks like we'd have to go over the cap to get him.

Lillard/Smith
Batum/Williams/Barton
Matthews/Babbit/Williams
LA/Thomas
Hibbert/Leonard
 
What do we know about Indiana's ownership / priorities? Are they frugal? I know I heard that Hibbert was their #1 priority, but then they didn't offer him the max. Then again, as a RFA, why would you open with a max offer? Also, since they are after Gordon, it doesn't sound like they are huge cheapskates or anything. My guess is they match, right? I doubt KP wants to help Paul Allen out, although it could be Indiana's owner's call.
 
Why does Olshey want both Hibbert and Asik, and can we afford both?
 
jlprk said:
Why does Olshey want both Hibbert and Asik, and can we afford both?
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In case the Hibbert thing doesn't work out. I think we actually drafted Asik in the 2nd round then traded him.....typical Blazers....
 
jlprk said:
Brilliant diversionary tactic. Offer the max to a player on each team which wants Gordon. While they scramble, we take Gordon.
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I think that would only work if no one offered Gordon a contract for the first 3 days. We can't have two max-ish offers out at once if we don't have the cap room.
 
Not sure what to think when it comes to the question if Hibbard is worth the max. But if these reports are true, here are my thoughts

-Any concern that PA was going on the cheap ( selling a draft pick) and maybe even thinking of setting the team up to be sold can be put aside. Our rich owner is committed and as passionate as ever to bring a championship team to Ptd

-there were reports of tension between KP and PA which seems to continue (PA quickly lets media know he will not consider KP now or ever for a position with the Blazers again). Is this a vindictive move . . . and before you say that would be stupid business decision know we do have a highly emotional owner who seems to make some decisions based on emotion

-KP may be a victim of what he introduced to Ptd in terms of a toxic contract. How good is the new management team and can they disect the new CBA and make the offer even more toxic than in the past

-We are doing to Indy what we were hoping will not be done with Batum (making a huge offer as soon as possible). Does this put a big target on the Blazes back?

-What if Indy turns around and makes a big offer for Batum at the same time. How would that work? Would that make the Blazers stand down?

-Does this send a signal PA is committed and will match any offer for Batum?

-We are starting to see the Blazer direction as they don't offer an extension to Hickson and aggressively go after Hibbard. This free agency will be about a big man

-I'm a KP fan and wish him the best in Indy. But I'm a bigger Blazer fan by far and hope Blazers get over on Indy
 
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Indy has so little salary on the books right now, there's no way the let him walk. Still, I like this move a lot. Shows they are serious about rebuilding in a hurry and not content with small signings.
 
If they can land Hibbert and keep Atum then our team will be damn solid
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
-KP may be a victim of what he introduced to Ptd in terms of a toxic contract. How good is the new management team and can they disect the new CBA and make the offer even more toxic than in the past
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Where did you see a "toxic offer" in any of the news reports?
 
Mediocre Man said:
If they can land Hibbert and keep Atum then our team will be damn solid
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But is Nic worth the perhaps close to 12 mil per Minny is offering? I'd much rather have Hibbert starting at 12.9 mil with 4.5% raises then Nic at 11-12 mil if we did decide we had to make a choice, screw Nic if he wants that much
 
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